[Iowa-dx] More in mcKinney's Voting Record
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The question we have here is, to be absolutely fair, what doesCynthia say
about how she voted on these issues? Trueliberals, for decades now, have
been railing and ranting abouthaving a legal requrement to stop this
practice of taggingdis-similar legislative bills onto other
legislative bills as well ashiding legislation bills among groups of
legislation bills, sothat a single vote covers many issues. So far,
neither the DEMOCRATS nor, of course, theRepublicommunists (you know why
THEY do not want tochange these practices, just look at the war the
Republicansgot us in to AGAIN!), have made any serious effort to puta
stop to "chain gang legislation" (as I call it... think of a lineof
convicts with all of their legs all chained together into onerow of hard
labor workers, making it nearly impossible forthem to escape, and
that being the same as groupedlegislation that must be voted on in one
single vote, whichis the act of holding opposition hostage to "either you
getsomething passed that you want or you get nothing passed!" I would
like to hear and/or read Cynthia's explanation. I thinkThomas' references
with counter-references, that were quiteunbiased in their presentation,
which Thomas provided toexplain possible reasons for Cynthia
having voting the wayshe did, is ample enough justification for us to ask
Cynthia"--just for the record--" what her rationale was. I think that
Cynthia was "held hostage" by the typicalcongressional Republicommunist
politics that blocked ALLDemocratic Party legislation bills during
William Clinton'ssecond administration, whereupon the RepublicommunistsTHEN
RE-WROTE the Democratic Party legislation billsinto Republican language,
and then they convinced theDemocrats to support the Republican-rewritten
versionsin default, which the Democrats did then vote favorablyupon
because it was, allegedly, "at least something likeour original
legislative bills" -- which of course, they werenot really. This
happened over and over and over againduring William Clinton's second
administration to aptlydiscredit the Democrats in the public's eyes! And
theDemocrats did NOTHING to counter that sabotage bypublically protesting
their being victimized for partisanRepublican politics! Ron Kinuma.k.a.
Libris Fidelis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hart, Holly J"
To: "iowa-dx@gp-us.org"
Subject: [Iowa-dx] More in mcKinney's Voting Record
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:51:09 -0600
From a message on the national list, and including the writer's
personal comment -
-
***********
Thanks for giving the link. In tracking down the
bill, I found it was an Omnibus Crime Bill, entitled,
H.R.3355, Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement
Act of 1994. The direct link is here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c103:7:./temp/~c103dxI3gu::
By voting for this bill, Cynthia did vote for some of
the three strikes provisions. The bill also contains
definitions for when the death penalty is acceptable.
So she voted for that also.
However, if she had voted against the bill, she
would have been voting against, among other things,
the Violence Against Women Act, the Sexual Predators
Act, Grants for Women's Shelters, Drunk Driving and
Firearms Laws, and Youth Programs to prevent
involvement in criminal activity.
We had better get used to the fact that politics is
not about maintaining a pure and principled stand on
every thing because it is impossible. This is the
type of decision an actual politician must make.
Overall, was the vote positive, in spite of negatives
within the bill?
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<DIV>The question we have here is, to be absolutely fair, what does</DIV>
<DIV>Cynthia say about how she voted on these issues? True</DIV>
<DIV>liberals, for decades now, have been railing and ranting about</DIV>
<DIV>having a legal requrement to stop this practice of tagging</DIV>
<DIV>dis-similar legislative bills onto other legislative bills a=
s well as</DIV>
<DIV>hiding legislation bills among groups of legislation bills, so</D=
IV>
<DIV>that a single vote covers many issues.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So far, neither the DEMOCRATS nor, of course, the</DIV>
<DIV>Republicommunists (you know why THEY do not want to</DIV>
<DIV>change these practices, just look at the war the Republicans</DIV>
<DIV>got us in to AGAIN!), have made any serious effort to put</DIV>
<DIV>a stop to "chain gang legislation" (as I call it... think of a line</D=
IV>
<DIV>of convicts with all of their legs all chained together into one<=
/DIV>
<DIV>row of hard labor workers, making it nearly impossible for</DIV>
<DIV>them to escape, and that being the same as grouped</DIV>
<DIV>legislation that must be voted on in one single vote, which</DIV>
<DIV>is the act of holding opposition hostage to "either you get</DIV>
<DIV>something passed that you want or you get nothing passed!"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I would like to hear and/or read Cynthia's explanation. I think</DIV>
<DIV>Thomas' references with counter-references, that were quite</DIV>
<DIV>unbiased in their presentation, which Thomas provided to</DI=
V>
<DIV>explain possible reasons for Cynthia having voting the way</DIV>
<DIV>she did, is ample enough justification for us to ask Cynthia</DIV>
<DIV>"--just for the record--" what her rationale was.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think that Cynthia was "held hostage" by the typical</DIV>
<DIV>congressional Republicommunist politics that blocked ALL</DIV>
<DIV>Democratic Party legislation bills during William Clinton's</DIV>
<DIV>second administration, whereupon the Republicommunists</DIV>
<DIV>THEN RE-WROTE the Democratic Party legislation bills</DIV>
<DIV>into Republican language, and then they convinced the</DIV>
<DIV>Democrats to support the Republican-rewritten versions</DIV>
<DIV>in default, which the Democrats did then vote favorably</DIV>
<DIV>upon because it was, allegedly, "at least something like</DIV>
<DIV>our original legislative bills" -- which of course, they were</DIV>
<DIV>not really. This happened over and over and over again</DIV>
<DIV>during William Clinton's second administration to aptly</DIV>
<DIV>discredit the Democrats in the public's eyes! And the</DIV>
<DIV>Democrats did NOTHING to counter that sabotage by</DIV>
<DIV>publically protesting their being victimized for partisan</DIV>
<DIV>Republican politics!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ron Kinum</DIV>
<DIV>a.k.a. Libris Fidelis<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #101=
0ff 2px solid">----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Hart, Holly J" <HOLLY=
-HART@UIOWA.EDU><BR>To: "iowa-dx@gp-us.org" <IOWA-DX@GP-US.ORG><BR>Subject:=
[Iowa-dx] More in mcKinney's Voting Record<BR>Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:51:=
09 -0600<BR><BR>From a message on the national list, and including the writ=
er's <BR>personal comment -<BR>-<BR>***********<BR>Thanks for giving the li=
nk. In tracking down the<BR>bill, I found it was an Omnibus Crime Bill, ent=
itled,<BR>H.R.3355, Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement<BR>Act of 199=
4. The direct link is here:<BR>http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c103:7=
:./temp/~c103dxI3gu::<BR><BR>By voting for this bill, Cynthia did vote for =
some of<BR>the three strikes provisions. The bill also contains<BR>definiti=
ons for when the death penalty is acceptable.<BR>So she voted for that also=
.<BR><BR>However, if she had voted against the bill, she<BR>would have been=
voting against, among other things,<BR>the Violence Against Women Act, the=
Sexual Predators<BR>Act, Grants for Women's Shelters, Drunk Driving and<BR=
>Firearms Laws, and Youth Programs to prevent<BR>involvement in criminal ac=
tivity.<BR><BR>We had better get used to the fact that politics is<BR>not a=
bout maintaining a pure and principled stand on<BR>every thing because it i=
s impossible. This is the<BR>type of decision an actual politician must mak=
e.<BR>Overall, was the vote positive, in spite of negatives<BR>within the b=
ill?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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