[Iowa-dx] Countering Anti-Green Propaganda In P-C
GreenParty Ron
greenpartyron@activist.com
Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:54:13 -0500
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I posted the following statement against the subsequently-followingpropagan=
distic
posting in the Press-Citizen's online Forums sectioncalled Writers Group
(again, my pen-name is Libris Fidelis):
Libris Fidelis
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 8
Location: Iowa City, IA
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:47 am
Post subject: What's a progressive girl to do Jan. 3?
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I would like to question what Daren said so slanderously about Green
Party and Ralph Nader.
First, as one of two Iowa delegates to Green Party US's National Meeting,
held in Reading Pennsylvania last summer, I actually met and talked to
Ralph Nader twice. So I know something of him from personal conversation
with him.
Second, the reference to Green Party "... can hold its own when it comes
to back room deals..." is total slander. Daren's prejudices are running
rampantly in his post with that cheap-shot. Worse, Daren makes the
slanderous statement without references.
For the record to honest, rational readers, however. First, Ralph Nader
has not been supported by most of us Green Party members for some time
now. There is a tiny movement to "draft" Nader back into the national
presidency race, but most of us will not support him. To put it simply,
we all respect Nader, but Nader is not an organizer and he is not a
Democracy delegator.
Second, there were no back-room deals to get Nader to run for Green
party, Nader saw advantages in our growing party, and we saw advantages
in having Nader run as our presidential candidate. Nothing was schemed.
It was in his candidacy that Greens discovered Nader was not so ideal.
THIRD: Although you did not mention it, Daren, this is included in the
Republicommunist conspiracy propaganda: Nader had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to
do with Al Gore's "defeat". It is documented history that the
Republicommunists sabotaged both the 2000 and 2004 elections AND
sabotaged Democratic Party candidates with espionage that far surpasses
Watergate (Congresswoman McKinney is but one example among many where the
Republicommunists got caught!) In 2004 it was proven that the
Republicommunists rigged the electronic voting machines in the states
that had those machines, and, that the data and record of the election
results WERE THE PROPERTY NOT EITHER OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT OR OF THE
STATE GOVERNMENTS, BUT WERE THE PROPERTY OF THE CORPORATE OWNER AND
PROVIDER OF THE COMPUTERIZED ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES!
The true and ONLY reason why George Warcrimes Bush "won" in the sabotaged
and rigged 2000 election was because 8-MILLION DEMOCRATS JUMPED SHIP AND
VOTED FOR BUSH ! ! ! ! Only 2-million voted for Nader! Besides, since
when is it improper or immoral to vote for your candidate? Ralph Nader
had a right to run for election, even if it had been the opposite effect,
that 8-million votes might have gone to Nader and 2-million Dumb-o-crats
had voted for George Warcrimes Bush!
My question is, however, since it is documented that the
Republicommunists had rigged and sabotaged both the 2000 and 2004
elections, DID THOSE 8-MILLION DUMB-O-CRATS REALLY VOTE FOR GEORGE
WARCRIMES BUSH... OR... WERE THOSE FIGURES ALSO FROM RIGGED
DATA??????????????????
Ronald Kinum
a.k.a. Libris Fidelis
Iowa Green Party member
Johnson County Green Party member
->darren Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject:
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->I think Reverend Jim reminds us all how important the practical
->progressive is.
->
->Being a "Z" or building a new party (let me say for the record
->the political expediency of nominating Ralph Nader pretty much
->showed us The Green Party can hold its own when it comes to
->back room deals) is critical.
.../...
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sting in the Press-Citizen's </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>online Foru=
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<TD colSpan=3D2><SPAN class=3Dpostbody><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would =
like to question what Daren said so slanderously about Green Party and Ralp=
h Nader. <BR><BR>First, as one of two Iowa delegates to Green Party US's Na=
tional Meeting, held in Reading Pennsylvania last summer, I actually met an=
d talked to Ralph Nader twice. So I know something of him from personal con=
versation with him. <BR><BR>Second, the reference to Green Party "... can h=
old its own when it comes to back room deals..." is total slander. Daren's =
prejudices are running rampantly in his post with that cheap-shot. Worse, D=
aren makes the slanderous statement without references. <BR><BR>For the rec=
ord to honest, rational readers, however. First, Ralph Nader has not been s=
upported by most of us Green Party members for some time now. There is a ti=
ny movement to "draft" Nader back into the national presidency race, but mo=
st of us will not support him. To put it simply, we all respect Nader, but =
Nader is not an organizer and he is not a Democracy delegator. <BR><BR>Seco=
nd, there were no back-room deals to get Nader to run for Green party, Nade=
r saw advantages in our growing party, and we saw advantages in having Nade=
r run as our presidential candidate. Nothing was schemed. It was in his can=
didacy that Greens discovered Nader was not so ideal. <BR><BR>THIRD: Althou=
gh you did not mention it, Daren, this is included in the Republicommunist =
conspiracy propaganda: Nader had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Al Gore's "d=
efeat". It is documented history that the Republicommunists sabotaged both =
the 2000 and 2004 elections AND sabotaged Democratic Party candidates with =
espionage that far surpasses Watergate (Congresswoman McKinney is but one e=
xample among many where the Republicommunists got caught!) In 2004 it was p=
roven that the Republicommunists rigged the electronic voting machines in t=
he states that had those machines, and, that the data and record of the ele=
ction results WERE THE PROPERTY NOT EITHER OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT OR OF THE=
STATE GOVERNMENTS, BUT WERE THE PROPERTY OF THE CORPORATE OWNER AND PROVID=
ER OF THE COMPUTERIZED ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES! <BR><BR>The true and ONL=
Y reason why George Warcrimes Bush "won" in the sabotaged and rigged 2000 e=
lection was because 8-MILLION DEMOCRATS JUMPED SHIP AND VOTED FOR BUSH ! ! =
! ! Only 2-million voted for Nader! Besides, since when is it improper or i=
mmoral to vote for your candidate? Ralph Nader had a right to run for elect=
ion, even if it had been the opposite effect, that 8-million votes might ha=
ve gone to Nader and 2-million Dumb-o-crats had voted for George Warcrimes =
Bush! <BR><BR>My question is, however, since it is documented that the Repu=
blicommunists had rigged and sabotaged both the 2000 and 2004 elections, DI=
D THOSE 8-MILLION DUMB-O-CRATS REALLY VOTE FOR GEORGE WARCRIMES BUSH... OR.=
.. WERE THOSE FIGURES ALSO FROM RIGGED DATA?????????????????? <BR><BR>Ronal=
d Kinum <BR>a.k.a. Libris Fidelis <BR>Iowa Green Party member <BR>Johnson C=
ounty Green Party member <BR><BR>->darren Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:54 =
pm Post subject: <BR>->-------------------------------------------------=
------------------------------- <BR>-> <BR>->I think Reverend Jim rem=
inds us all how important the practical <BR>->progressive is. <BR>-> =
<BR>->Being a "Z" or building a new party (let me say for the record <BR=
>->the political expediency of nominating Ralph Nader pretty much <BR>-&=
gt;showed us The Green Party can hold its own when it comes to <BR>->bac=
k room deals) is critical. <BR>.../...</FONT></SPAN></TD></TR></TBODY></TAB=
LE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV><BR>
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