[Iowa-dx] Countering Anti-Green Propaganda In P-C
Kelley Putman
kputman@mchsi.com
Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:08:46 -0600
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Ron,=20
Why do you call them "Republicommunists" when their party has no =
interest in promoting collective property or the collective good. =
Admittedly most communist states around the world have not been =
successful at collectivization, but it was part of the original premise =
of communism/communalism. =20
"Republifascist" would be more accurate I would think.
Kelley
----- Original Message -----=20
From: GreenParty Ron=20
To: iowa-dx@gp-us.org=20
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:54 PM
Subject: [Iowa-dx] Countering Anti-Green Propaganda In P-C
I posted the following statement against the subsequently-following
propagandistic posting in the Press-Citizen's online Forums section
called Writers Group (again, my pen-name is Libris Fidelis):
Libris Fidelis
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 8
Location: Iowa City, IA
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:47 am
Post subject: What's a progressive girl to do Jan. 3?
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I would like to question what Daren said so slanderously =
about Green Party and Ralph Nader.=20
First, as one of two Iowa delegates to Green Party US's =
National Meeting, held in Reading Pennsylvania last summer, I actually =
met and talked to Ralph Nader twice. So I know something of him from =
personal conversation with him.=20
Second, the reference to Green Party "... can hold its own =
when it comes to back room deals..." is total slander. Daren's =
prejudices are running rampantly in his post with that cheap-shot. =
Worse, Daren makes the slanderous statement without references.=20
For the record to honest, rational readers, however. =
First, Ralph Nader has not been supported by most of us Green Party =
members for some time now. There is a tiny movement to "draft" Nader =
back into the national presidency race, but most of us will not support =
him. To put it simply, we all respect Nader, but Nader is not an =
organizer and he is not a Democracy delegator.=20
Second, there were no back-room deals to get Nader to run =
for Green party, Nader saw advantages in our growing party, and we saw =
advantages in having Nader run as our presidential candidate. Nothing =
was schemed. It was in his candidacy that Greens discovered Nader was =
not so ideal.=20
THIRD: Although you did not mention it, Daren, this is =
included in the Republicommunist conspiracy propaganda: Nader had =
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Al Gore's "defeat". It is documented =
history that the Republicommunists sabotaged both the 2000 and 2004 =
elections AND sabotaged Democratic Party candidates with espionage that =
far surpasses Watergate (Congresswoman McKinney is but one example among =
many where the Republicommunists got caught!) In 2004 it was proven that =
the rigged the electronic voting machines in the states that had those =
machines, and, that the data and record of the election results WERE THE =
PROPERTY NOT EITHER OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT OR OF THE STATE GOVERNMENTS, =
BUT WERE THE PROPERTY OF THE CORPORATE OWNER AND PROVIDER OF THE =
COMPUTERIZED ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES!=20
The true and ONLY reason why George Warcrimes Bush "won" =
in the sabotaged and rigged 2000 election was because 8-MILLION =
DEMOCRATS JUMPED SHIP AND VOTED FOR BUSH ! ! ! ! Only 2-million voted =
for Nader! Besides, since when is it improper or immoral to vote for =
your candidate? Ralph Nader had a right to run for election, even if it =
had been the opposite effect, that 8-million votes might have gone to =
Nader and 2-million Dumb-o-crats had voted for George Warcrimes Bush!=20
My question is, however, since it is documented that the =
Republicommunists had rigged and sabotaged both the 2000 and 2004 =
elections, DID THOSE 8-MILLION DUMB-O-CRATS REALLY VOTE FOR GEORGE =
WARCRIMES BUSH... OR... WERE THOSE FIGURES ALSO FROM RIGGED =
DATA??????????????????=20
Ronald Kinum=20
a.k.a. Libris Fidelis=20
Iowa Green Party member=20
Johnson County Green Party member=20
->darren Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject:=20
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->I think Reverend Jim reminds us all how important the =
practical=20
->progressive is.=20
->=20
->Being a "Z" or building a new party (let me say for the =
record=20
->the political expediency of nominating Ralph Nader =
pretty much=20
->showed us The Green Party can hold its own when it comes =
to=20
->back room deals) is critical.=20
.../...=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ron, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why do you call them =
"Republicommunists" when their=20
party has no interest in promoting collective property or the collective =
good. Admittedly most communist states around the world have =
not been=20
successful at collectivization, but it was part of the original premise =
of=20
communism/communalism. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Republifascist" would be more accurate =
I would=20
think.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kelley</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dgreenpartyron@activist.com=20
href=3D"mailto:greenpartyron@activist.com">GreenParty Ron</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Diowa-dx@gp-us.org=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 04, 2008 =
8:54=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Iowa-dx] Countering =
Anti-Green=20
Propaganda In P-C</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D2>I posted the =
following=20
statement against the subsequently-following</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" =
size=3D2>propagandistic posting=20
in the Press-Citizen's </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>online =
Forums=20
section</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>called Writers Group (again, my =
pen-name is=20
Libris Fidelis):</FONT></DIV>
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Fidelis</FONT></B></SPAN><BR><SPAN=20
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2007<BR>Posts:=20
8<BR>Location: Iowa City, IA</FONT></SPAN><BR></TD>
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<TD colSpan=3D2><SPAN class=3Dpostbody><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>I would=20
like to question what Daren said so slanderously about =
Green Party=20
and Ralph Nader. <BR><BR>First, as one of two Iowa =
delegates to=20
Green Party US's National Meeting, held in Reading =
Pennsylvania=20
last summer, I actually met and talked to Ralph Nader =
twice. So I=20
know something of him from personal conversation with him. =
<BR><BR>Second, the reference to Green Party "... can hold =
its own=20
when it comes to back room deals..." is total slander. =
Daren's=20
prejudices are running rampantly in his post with that =
cheap-shot.=20
Worse, Daren makes the slanderous statement without =
references.=20
<BR><BR>For the record to honest, rational readers, =
however.=20
First, Ralph Nader has not been supported by most of us =
Green=20
Party members for some time now. There is a tiny movement =
to=20
"draft" Nader back into the national presidency race, but =
most of=20
us will not support him. To put it simply, we all respect =
Nader,=20
but Nader is not an organizer and he is not a Democracy =
delegator.=20
<BR><BR>Second, there were no back-room deals to get Nader =
to run=20
for Green party, Nader saw advantages in our growing =
party, and we=20
saw advantages in having Nader run as our presidential =
candidate.=20
Nothing was schemed. It was in his candidacy that Greens=20
discovered Nader was not so ideal. <BR><BR>THIRD: Although =
you did=20
not mention it, Daren, this is included in the =
Republicommunist=20
conspiracy propaganda: Nader had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do =
with Al=20
Gore's "defeat". It is documented history that the=20
Republicommunists sabotaged both the 2000 and 2004 =
elections AND=20
sabotaged Democratic Party candidates with espionage that =
far=20
surpasses Watergate (Congresswoman McKinney is but one =
example=20
among many where the Republicommunists got caught!) In =
2004 it was=20
proven that the rigged the electronic voting =
machines in the=20
states that had those machines, and, that the data and =
record of=20
the election results WERE THE PROPERTY NOT EITHER OF THE =
U.S.=20
GOVERNMENT OR OF THE STATE GOVERNMENTS, BUT WERE THE =
PROPERTY OF=20
THE CORPORATE OWNER AND PROVIDER OF THE COMPUTERIZED =
ELECTRONIC=20
VOTING MACHINES! <BR><BR>The true and ONLY reason why =
George=20
Warcrimes Bush "won" in the sabotaged and rigged 2000 =
election was=20
because 8-MILLION DEMOCRATS JUMPED SHIP AND VOTED FOR BUSH =
! ! ! !=20
Only 2-million voted for Nader! Besides, since when is it =
improper=20
or immoral to vote for your candidate? Ralph Nader had a =
right to=20
run for election, even if it had been the opposite effect, =
that=20
8-million votes might have gone to Nader and 2-million=20
Dumb-o-crats had voted for George Warcrimes Bush! =
<BR><BR>My=20
question is, however, since it is documented that the=20
Republicommunists had rigged and sabotaged both the 2000 =
and 2004=20
elections, DID THOSE 8-MILLION DUMB-O-CRATS REALLY VOTE =
FOR GEORGE=20
WARCRIMES BUSH... OR... WERE THOSE FIGURES ALSO FROM =
RIGGED=20
DATA?????????????????? <BR><BR>Ronald Kinum <BR>a.k.a. =
Libris=20
Fidelis <BR>Iowa Green Party member <BR>Johnson County =
Green Party=20
member <BR><BR>->darren Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:54 =
pm Post=20
subject:=20
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<BR>-> <BR>->I think Reverend Jim reminds us all how =
important the practical <BR>->progressive is. <BR>-> =
<BR>->Being a "Z" or building a new party (let me say =
for the=20
record <BR>->the political expediency of nominating =
Ralph Nader=20
pretty much <BR>->showed us The Green Party can hold =
its own=20
when it comes to <BR>->back room deals) is critical.=20
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