[Iowa-dx] Countering Anti-Green Propaganda In P-C
GreenParty Ron
greenpartyron@activist.com
Fri, 4 Jan 2008 23:40:55 -0500
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I am very glad to have this additional information on the DemocraticParty,
of their using anti-democratic "super-delegates". I seem to vaguely
remember something about super-delegates froma long while ago, but I
never really understood what that meant.Besides, from 1971 to 1974 I was
active duty in the Army, so newswas not so attractive to me then, due to
my busy activities as anairmobile (helicopter-borne) recon scout, and
subsequently myvery busy activity in my preparation for promotion to
locomotiveengineer when I got out of the Army. As I have said so many
times to everyone, I have NEVER knownan elected Democratic Party
"representative" who understood,defended, promoted and advocated true
Democracy! That is whyI am not a Democrat any longer! It is why I want
to see, helpand rejoice in Green Party's success! Ron Kinuma.k.a. Libris
Fidelis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelley Putman"
To: "GreenParty Ron" , iowa-dx@gp-us.org
Subject: Re: [Iowa-dx] Countering Anti-Green Propaganda In P-C
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 22:30:50 -0600
Noting Ron's statement below, New Hampshire started the state primary in
1903 to put the voter in control of picking the candidates, but also note
that the Democratic Party started a system of superdelegates in the
1970's to take that power away (see excerpt from Wikipedia). Roughly 20%
of the delegates to the Democratic national convention are controlled by
the party and from what I've read Bill Clinton is working hard behind the
scenes to garner those for his wife to reduce her need to win as many
state primaries as the other candidates in order to get the nomination.=20
Kelley---------------------From Wikipedia concerning superdelegates:http://=
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate
Superdelegates were first appointed in the 1970s, after control of the
nomination process in the Democratic Party effectively moved out of the
hands of party officials into the primary and caucus process. The aim was
to accord some say in the process to people who had been playing roles in
the party before the election year. The Democratic National Convention,
where the Democratic presidential ticket is formally agreed upon, has 796
superdelegates. Superdelegates to the Democratic Convention include all
Democratic members of the United States Congress, various additional
elected officials, as well as members of the Democratic National
Committee.
A candidate needs a simple majority of the combined delegate and
superdelegate votes to secure the nomination. Democratic delegates from
state caucuses and primaries number 3,253. This means that the total
number of votes is 4,049. The total number of delegate votes needed to
win the nomination is 2,025. Superdelegates account for approximately one
fifth (19.7%) of all votes at the convention. Delegates chosen in the
Democratic caucuses and primaries account for about four fifths (80.3%)
of the Democratic convention delegates.
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D2>I am very glad to=
have this additional information on </FONT><FONT face=3DAri=
al size=3D2>the Democratic</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Party, of their using anti-democratic=
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"super-delegates".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I seem to vaguely </FONT><FONT face=3DAria=
l size=3D2>remember something about super-delegates from</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a long while ago, but I never really </FON=
T><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>understood what that meant.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Besides, from 1971 to 1974 I was </FONT><F=
ONT face=3DArial size=3D2>active duty in the Army, so news</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>was not so attractive to me then, </=
FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>due to my busy activities as an</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>airmobile (helicopter-borne) recon </=
FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>scout, and subsequently my</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>very busy activity in my preparation for p=
romotion to locomotive</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>engineer when I got out of the Army.</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As I have said so many times to everyone, =
I have NEVER known</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>an elected Democratic Party "representativ=
e" who understood,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>defended, promoted and advocated true Demo=
cracy! That is why</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am not a Democrat any longer! It i=
s why I want to see, help</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and rejoice in Green Party's success!</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ron Kinum</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a.k.a. Libris Fidelis</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #101=
0ff 2px solid">----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Kelley Putman" <KPUTM=
AN@MCHSI.COM><BR>To: "GreenParty Ron" <GREENPARTYRON@ACTIVIST.COM>, iowa-dx=
@gp-us.org<BR>Subject: Re: [Iowa-dx] Countering Anti-Green Propaganda In P-=
C<BR>Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 22:30:50 -0600<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Noting Ron's statement below, New Hampshir=
e started the state primary in 1903 to put the voter in control of picking =
the candidates, but also note that the Democratic Party started a system of=
superdelegates in the 1970's to take that power away (see excerpt from Wik=
ipedia). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Roughly 20% of the delegates to the Democr=
atic national convention are controlled by the party and from what I've rea=
d Bill Clinton is working hard behind the scenes to garner those for his wi=
fe to reduce her need to win as many state primaries as the other candidate=
s in order to get the nomination. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kelley</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>---------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From Wikipedia concerning superdelegates:<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate">http://en.wikip=
edia.org/wiki/Superdelegate</A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>Superdelegates were first appointed =
in the 1970s, after control of the nomination process in the Democratic Par=
ty effectively moved out of the hands of party officials into the primary a=
nd caucus process. <U>The aim was to accord some say in the process to peop=
le who had been playing roles in the party before the election year.</U></F=
ONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Democratic National Convention, where =
the Democratic presidential ticket is formally agreed upon, has 796 superde=
legates. <U>Superdelegates to the Democratic Convention include all Democra=
tic members of the United States Congress, various additional elected offic=
ials, as well as members of the Democratic National Committee.</U></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>A candidate needs a simple majority of the combined delegate and superde=
legate votes to secure the nomination. Democratic delegates from state cauc=
uses and primaries number 3,253. This means that the total number of votes =
is 4,049. The total number of delegate votes needed to win the nomination i=
s 2,025. Superdelegates account for approximately one fifth (19.7%) of all =
votes at the convention. Delegates chosen in the Democratic caucuses and pr=
imaries account for about four fifths (80.3%) of the Democratic convention =
delegates.</FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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