[GP-US Labor] Re: Labor digest, Vol 1 #53 - 2 msgs

[greenpartymike]

Mr King,

First, I am a Mckinney fan as well as former Minnesota Delegate. So I agree
with you about McKinney herself. In fact, if the McKinney campaign can draw=
=20
in more POC's (Persons of Colour as Farheen calls them) and more working=20
class people into this party then I will keep a small light of hope for the=
 GP.
Especially given the racist and classist trends in the GP as well as the br=
oader
political movements.

Second point. Where do you get your information about Nader supporters and=
=20
others not building an independent alternative to the corporate friendly,=
=20
pro-war two party system? You may want to ask around just a wee bit more.

As for your snide comments about Nader folks working colleges and not in=20
poor neighbourhoods, well again you may want to check your facts on that.

Like I have said, the only real animosity has come from Greens in the=20
McKinney campaign not Nader's.=20

Oh and tell Ben Manski I said hello. I was the guy that he flipped off at=
=20
the RNC rally at the St Paul Capitol event. I spent the rest of my day=20
with the Street Medics and Rosa Clamente.

People who are repeatedly disrespected and disenfranchised tend to leave=20
their abusers. At least the smart ones do.=20

Then build for their futures, free of the abusers. Especially when the=20
abuser continues his/her/their abusive behavior and will not even admit=20
to or talk about the behavior. That is what we are doing.

Michael Cavlan
Dissaffected and Disaffiliated Green.
Far From Alone
Minnesota

-----Original Message-----
>From: Tommy King <tommyzking@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 19, 2008 6:21 PM
>To: labor@lists.gp-us.org
>Subject: [GP-US Labor] Re: Labor digest, Vol 1 #53 - 2 msgs
>
>
>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yeah, a lot of people, (including myself, a=
s one of the two Wisconsin delegates that didn't vote to nominate Cobb in 2=
004), were upset that Nader didn't run as a Green in 2004.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
>Some used that as a reason to=C2=A0quit working with the Green Party. The =
fact that many of them are now supporting the Obama campaign, convinces me =
that they weren't serious about building=C2=A0an independent political move=
ment then either. The=C2=A0few that are=C2=A0still campaigning for Nader, (=
along with many active greens in Nader's campaign,)=C2=A0aren't building an=
 independent=C2=A0party either, so=C2=A0I will expect most of them to becom=
e Greens again=C2=A0after the election.=C2=A0
>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 No Greens are babbling about safe state strategie=
s today. Our current presidential candidate is running a much more aggressi=
ve campaign than David Cobb did in 2004.=C2=A0
>Enough already=C2=A0about the 2004 G.P. blunders.
>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Let's talk about the Green Party of today and tom=
orrow. Today we have a presidential ticket that is informing=C2=A0ethnic mi=
norities about the GP more than ever before.
>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 We have local more Green Parties, (Detroit and Mi=
lwaukee, from what we've learned so far just this week)=C2=A0that=C2=A0are =
actively and consciously building their base among working=C2=A0people, ins=
tead of hanging exclusively around=C2=A0college neighborhoods, like many of=
 our close friends and allies in the Nader campaign.=20
>=C2=A0There are=C2=A0the=C2=A0always=C2=A0members that=C2=A0that=C2=A0like=
 to make speeches pretending they're=C2=A0the leaders. All groups have 'em =
it's a cosmic law.=C2=A0=C2=A0 With most of the timid liberal element and c=
hronic=C2=A0whiners gone from local Green Parties now, look around, the few=
 that remain, just=C2=A0 are the folks who have some knowledge about ecolog=
y, history, radical politics, community organizing, and how to get stuff do=
ne. They are the people that actually are=C2=A0willing to=C2=A0spend all da=
y knocking on doors or stuffing envelopes, instead of=C2=A0attending=C2=A0s=
eminars=C2=A0to talk about how it's done.=C2=A0
>We're in better shape than ever!
>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Many local=C2=A0Green Parties=C2=A0are prep=
ared for another growth spurt=C2=A0in the next couple years. They have=C2=
=A0deeper roots and stronger ties in working class and college=C2=A0communi=
ties, and are much better skilled,=C2=A0if smaller=C2=A0organizations=C2=A0=
than=C2=A0they=C2=A0were 8 years ago.
>Other local Green Parties will develop those roots, ties, and skills=C2=A0=
quickly, as they rebuild=C2=A0during these next couple years.=20
>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 After this election cycle and as the economy cont=
inues to free-fall, as the mid-east wars escalate, as health care becomes a=
 national crisis,=C2=A0and because=C2=A0the rest of the "progressive moveme=
nt" supports the Democrats, newly radicalized, disgruntled,=C2=A0former lib=
erals will be=C2=A0joining=C2=A0us even=C2=A0quicker than during=C2=A0the y=
ear 2,000=C2=A0campaign.
>peace,love,solidarity,
>Tommy King, Milwaukee=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
>
>--- On Sun, 10/19/08, labor-request@lists.gp-us.org <labor-request@lists.g=
p-us.org> wrote:
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>From: labor-request@lists.gp-us.org <labor-request@lists.gp-us.org>
>Subject: Labor digest, Vol 1 #53 - 2 msgs
>To: labor@lists.gp-us.org
>Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 2:07 PM
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>   1. RE: Greater Miwaukee Green Party Labor Caucus (Dianne Feeley)
>   2. RE: Greater Miwaukee Green Party Labor Caucus (greenpartymike)
>
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>
>Message: 1
>Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:19:12 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>From: Dianne Feeley <feeleyd@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Dianne Feeley <feeleyd@earthlink.net>
>To: greenpartymike <ollamhfaery@earthlink.net>,=20
>=09Maya O'Connor <oconnorm1975@starpower.net>, labor@lists.gp-us.org
>Subject: RE: [GP-US Labor] Greater Miwaukee Green Party Labor Caucus
>
>Dear Mike,
>
>Of course you don't outline what you see is the problem with the Green
>Party, just that you feel fed up and are leaving. Sorry you feel that way!
>
>I think building at the grassroots is the only way to bring about real cha=
nge,
>which is why I put most of my energy in my local GP chapter, which is the
>Detroit Greens.
>
>By the way, last winter we had an 87-day strike at American Axle, which
>unfortunately ended in a terrible defeat. But the Detroit Greens were on t=
he
>picket line every week!
>
>In solidarity,
>
>dianne
>UAW Local 235
>running for Wayne County Commissioner, district 5 on GP ticket
>MI has 30 Greens running on the 2008 ballot for various offices)
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:45:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>From: greenpartymike <ollamhfaery@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: greenpartymike <ollamhfaery@earthlink.net>
>To: Dianne Feeley <feeleyd@earthlink.net>,=20
>=09Maya O'Connor <oconnorm1975@starpower.net>, labor@lists.gp-us.org
>Subject: RE: [GP-US Labor] Greater Miwaukee Green Party Labor Caucus
>
>Dianne and All:
>
>I strongly suggest you instead ask the legions of former Greens, including=
=20
>but not just the Ralph Nader/Matt Gonzalez supporters who are leaving.
>
>For the record, I personally am a Cynthia McKinney fan. I note, with=20
>interest that one of the people calling for a new political party is none=
=20
>other than GP presidential candidate, Cynthia McKinney. I also remind you=
=20
>that I am a former National Delegate for the Minnesota GP.
>
>It is the people who are currently entrenched in the leadership (or lack=
=20
>there-of) that I and others have very serious problems with. Add to that t=
he=20
>structural problems, lack of transparency, blatant classism of said=20
>leadership and inability to have them removed or even held accountable
>that goes to the core of what I am saying.
>
>Unless and until these problems are taken care of, I am simply warning
>people. You can take of that and use that information as you all see fit.
>
>There was a reason that Nader did not seek the GP endorsement and why=20
>Matt Gonzalez is with Nader.
>
>Ask Kat Woods of California. Or indeed Dannene Provencher, Kristin Olson
>(former national Co-Chair) Liz Arnone (another former co-chair) hell the l=
ist
>here would be endless. Ask those people who have left, as to why they are=
=20
>leaving.
>
>Some would say that it is simply personalities. That is horseshit. It is=
=20
>political, plain and simple. Many of us have become convinced that a small=
=20
>element in the GP are determined to ensure infighting, making us less=20
>effective. In large part, as I see it, to push forward a safe states strat=
egy.
>
>I look at the complete inneffectiveness of the McKinney campaign as more=
=20
>evidence of that. It would appear to me that Cynthia McKinney, by her call=
ing=20
>for a new united national progressive party sees the same thing.
>
>Michael Cavlan
>Minnesota
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dianne Feeley <feeleyd@earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Oct 18, 2008 7:19 PM
>>To: greenpartymike <ollamhfaery@earthlink.net>, Maya O'Connor
><oconnorm1975@starpower.net>, labor@lists.gp-us.org
>>Subject: RE: [GP-US Labor] Greater Miwaukee Green Party Labor Caucus
>>
>>Dear Mike,
>>
>>Of course you don't outline what you see is the problem with the Green
>Party, just that you feel fed up and are leaving. Sorry you feel that way!
>>
>>I think building at the grassroots is the only way to bring about real
>change, which is why I put most of my energy in my local GP chapter, which=
 is
>the Detroit Greens.
>>
>>By the way, last winter we had an 87-day strike at American Axle, which
>unfortunately ended in a terrible defeat. But the Detroit Greens were on t=
he
>picket line every week!
>>
>>In solidarity,
>>
>>dianne
>>UAW Local 235
>>running for Wayne County Commissioner, district 5 on GP ticket
>>MI has 30 Greens running on the 2008 ballot for various offices)
>>
>>
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