From chicoverde@cox.net Sun Feb 20 04:05:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 4404 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 04:05:16 -0000 Received: from lakermmtao05.cox.net (68.230.240.34) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 04:05:16 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.101.88.147]) by lakermmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050220040447.PBMM20274.lakermmtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:04:47 -0500 Message-ID: <42180C5B.9070504@cox.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:04:43 -0500 From: Michael Canney Reply-To: chicoverde@cox.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: [Peace-discussion] Email test Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Email test From nschmader@cox.net Thu Mar 10 21:39:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 13402 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 21:39:30 -0000 Received: from lakermmtao10.cox.net (68.230.240.29) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 21:39:30 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([70.188.140.234]) by lakermmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050310213902.ZSWY29924.lakermmtao10.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:39:02 -0500 Message-ID: <4230BDA9.4000405@cox.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:35:37 -0500 From: Nick Schmader User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: [Peace-discussion] [Fwd: [HumanRights] Thoughts on stasis] Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Mazin Qumsiyeh is a Palestinian woman who works tirelessly to advocate for her people. She maintains a very informative listserv, but the following forwarding, which relates the end of her recent trip to Palestine, is a fine first-person account and well worth the read. We should keep her words in mind if we continue to move toward a GPUS official position on P/I. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [HumanRights] Thoughts on stasis Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:55:36 -0500 From: Mazin Qumsiyeh To: Mazin.qumsiyeh@lists.riseup.net ( to unsubscribe from this occasional email list- some 3-4 messages PER WEEK, reply with subject heading "UNSUBSCRIBE") Thoughts on stasis and individual responsibilities Mazin Qumsiyeh (http://qumsiyeh.org) On the way back our Royal Jordanian flight included two groups of Americans. One was a group of women returning from religious pilgrimage to the Holy Land (but not to visit its native people including Palestinian Christians). The other group was apparently US "tough guys" who were "serving" in Iraq ("special" service or security). They were muscular and loud. One even brutishly unhinged the cabin luggage closet and carried it through the airplane forward towards the Stewardess. At one point, one of the tough guys was flirting with one of the Church ladies. As I listened to the conversations, I felt a sense of sadness which only dissipated when I was back in New Haven. Here in the past few days I conversed with surgeons who kindly operated on a Palestinian girl, with hardworking people making minimum wage, and with hardworking activists organizing for March 19th demonstrations and rallies against the war. The contrast was stark between how open-minded and self-reflecting those folks are compared to the folks on the airplane. But a bit of self-reflection is also relevant among Palestinians and Israelis (and does happen). Like all Palestinians, we are barred by the Israeli military from meeting or interacting with ordinary Israelis; only occupation soldiers. But my interactions with Israelis over the decades have shown levels of complexity not often appreciated and analogous to that I found among Americans of various backgrounds (although perhaps Israeli racists are slightly more informed than American racists). As for Palestinians, I would say the contrasts and diversity of opinion are perhaps even greater. Americans of course have not lived under a ruthless military and colonial occupation for decades as Palestinians have. I listened to Palestinians in all walks of life as I did throughout decades of interactions. While I cannot make generalizations, I think it is safe to say that the Israeli occupation had exacted a fairly heavy price in terms of intellectual and physical growth of average Palestinians but has not succeeded in its goal of "breaking" the collective will. Let me explain. I remember as a child that uncles were discussing physics and math with us kids. I remember how we debated within our families how much intelligence is inherited or acquired. I remember us anxiously taking turns touching the first calculator. I even remember discussions of astronomy, possible inhabitants of other planets, and UFOs. Today, most discussions center on conditions of imprisonments in the large ghettos that are known as area A of the West Bank. This of course includes the ubiquitous political differences between various national factions (Fatah, PFLP, Hamas, DFLP etc) and of course corruption. Corruption is rampant indeed not only among the misnamed Palestinian "authority" (which really has no authority) but also among civil sectors most especially many of the wealthy non-governmental organizations. Occasionally people do exaggerate how much corruption consumes from money intended for public purposes (I think it is significant but less than what most Palestinians believe). But focusing on the negatives of corruption, graft, and waste, we may not notice the positive gems. I am amazed that despite the incredible oppression and dispossession (which an Israeli professor dubbed "Politicide"), there are still large segments of Palestinian society who function well, do good work, and most importantly do not lose their belief in humanity and justice. I observed the same among fellow Americans. There are indeed many lessons to be learned from fellow humans but few seem to learn them. Instead, we find various forms of blindness: - Sheepish regurgitation of media distortions - Paranoia and ugly racism manifest in notions of ideological or religious superiority (e.g. seen in Zionism and BinLadism). - Some positive knowledge but misdirected effort to sloganism and rhetoric; witness the countless conventions and conferences issuing resolutions (escapism in many ways from taking serious positive actions). - Simplified notions usually of the condemnatory type used to insulate their holders from any self-reflection or critical thought. But also in all such struggles, it is possible to find people who act positively on their belief in humanity and truly advance the cause of peace with justice: - Principled boycott and divestment work - The wheels of justice (JusticeWheels.org) - Students work for justice (e.g at Bir Zeit and Al-Najah Universities) - Direct aid to victims - The hard work of entering into uncharted waters and seeking support from those who are not automatically guaranteed to give support (this is very hard work but essential). - Media work (both mainstream and alternative) When I finished high school, my grandfather wrote a note to me that, in addition to the expected, stated that change is the norm in life and people need to modify their thinking; that doing so requires shedding the chains that come from upbringing and "cultural norms." The past 30 years since kept reinforcing that simple but powerful truth. Palestinians are reeling under occupation and colonization and yet many escape the corruption of ignorance and stasis. Of course many Palestinians, Israelis, and Americans don't and merely continue in the old tired ways. For those of us living in America (or Israel), it is nothing short of criminal to keep ignorant/acquiescent of how our taxes and political anesthesia are used to suppress and oppress others. I find it shameful that many participate in war crimes (such as those folks returning from Iraq or Israeli soldiers, settlers, and their government) and others give their money to support war and Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. While some of them pray for a return of Jesus, they violate his basic commands of seeking justice and totally rejecting violence. In the 21st century/the age of the internet, people do not have the luxury to say "I didn't know" or even "couldn't have known." So if knowledge is available, the only excuse left is accepting the oppressors' lies that individual action will make no difference ("leave politics to us" and "us vs them"). History shows that all good social change happened by individuals working together and challenging the myths of entrenched power (e.g. civil rights, right of women to vote, ending war on Vietnam). But it is also a moral issue, knowing of evil and not acting to stop it (especially when it is done with our taxes and in our name) is nothing short of a sin against God and humanity. Action indeed speaks louder than words and inaction is complicity. Please take time to write letter to editors of newspapers, magazines, TV, and Radio stations; it is important and does make a difference e.g. today you can point out the hypocrisy of demanding 14,000 Syrian troops leave Lebanon while not demanding that tens of thousands of Israeli troops and hundreds of thousands of colonial settlers leave occupied Palestine. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? 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Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: We are having some issues with this list but we can begin using it! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rebelrot@yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 05:05:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 16077 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 05:05:54 -0000 Received: from web14825.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.225.196) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 05:05:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 27188 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2005 05:05:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=173vP3aqsuKw8zjxnb3tGCPYlfKst1WSgAQXAn4NtSSq9ZsmJ9AKMArZt7/hWOVAikBJBm1qgQqKLDcJjfHwFEBi8WsiCycugoX8h96cp6yc9hTv0Ewr7NeRG16PHBGXyJ+GpxSy2sCVPpbI4BFNm6Xr3/oWUVLrqdJ3h6Nv9EI= ; Message-ID: <20050323050551.27186.qmail@web14825.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.6.181.16] by web14825.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:05:51 PST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:05:51 -0800 (PST) From: Rebecca Rot To: Rebecca Rot , peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Peace-discussion] Article on Haiti, please read Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Haiti Trip: Health Care and Human Rights By Johanna Berrigan Editors Note: From Feb. 21 thru 24, Johanna Berrigan, House of Grace Catholic Worker; Robert Boucher, Ear, Nose and Throat Surgeon; Thomas Gumbleton, Auxillary Bishop of Detroit; Bill Quigley, Social Justice Lawyer; Claire Schaeffer – Duffy, Catholic Worker, Free Lance Journalist and Karen Wisniewski, Registered Nurse were in Haiti to investigate human rights abuses from a health care perspective and the possibility of establishing an ongoing health care presence at St. Claire’s parish. The following is a summary of their trip. We urge everyone to become more aware of the tragedy of the human rights abuses and suffering of the Haitian people which has escalated to an alarming degree since the U.S.-backed coup d’ etat Feb. 29, 2004, which removed the Democratically elected President, Jean Bertrand Aristide. Overthrow this oppression, Oh God; confuse all that seeks to destroy. For I see violence and strife all around me. Day and night it patrols our cities; they are full of wickedness and evil, ruin is in their midst; oppression and fraud do not depart from their market places. Psalm 55 Haitian police, under the guise of searching for escaped criminals, went to Bel Air and gunned down more than fifteen people in cold blood with UN troops providing firepower cover, an email from Marguerite Laurent of the Haitian Lawyers Leadership Network said.. It was written on Saturday, February 26, just two days after our delegation returned home from Haiti. The e-mail continued, "Who do we call for help here? This is an evil, evil world with international officials turning their heads away while our people simply are murdered under UN mandate and the media staying absolutely blind, dumb and deaf as Haitians die and die and die and die. It is horrifying." This morning, Sunday, I am trying to make sense of my feelings upon hearing more sad news that a two-year-old girl, whom we had met at St. Catherine’s Hospital in Cite’ Soleil just days before, had died. The exact cause of death has not been determined. Her mother dead and her father too sick to care for her, she had been left at the hospital by her uncle. No one there knew her name. Angelic, dressed in a beautiful white dress, she appeared to be only nine months old. The nurse caring for her offered a casual reply - malnutrition. Her breathing labored due to pneumonia, we were informed that the hospital had run out of oxygen and had no money to purchase more. Our delegation arranged for more oxygen to be purchased for her, but now we know that it was too late. Her plight, this sad tragedy, is the plight of Haiti’s poor - abandoned and struggling to live; suffocating under the U.S.-backed oppressive regime of Gerard LaTortue. During our stay in Haiti the quote by Dorothy Day, "When they come for the innocent without crossing over your body, cursed be your religion and your life" ran through my mind like a mantra as both a profound truth and a call. We witnessed first hand the ways in which they have come, and continue to come for the innocent. Visitation House, founded by Ron Voss in 1993, is the guest house where our delegations stay and receive gracious hospitality while in Port-au-Prince. It is also the operating center for a group of neighborhood projects which offer local residents an opportunity to escape poverty and disease. The project includes: a health clinic and laboratory, a clean water distribution program, a food co-op, a legal services bureau, a youth sports program, and a variety of educational, informational and training programs. It is also the guest house for thousands of people who have come to Haiti through the Parish Twinning Program founded by Theresa Patterson. The interim government has accused Ron Voss of holding a meeting at Visitation House to plan the prison escape of former Prime Minister, Yvon Neptune, former Minister of Interior, Jocelerme Privert, and 480 other prisoners which occurred on February 19. This is a bizarre and unsubstantiated accusation. Nonetheless, 12 heavily armed, masked policemen invaded Visitation House, seized personal property, ransacked the house and took Ron away for questioning. No evidence has been found, yet he remains under investigation. We visited two of the police stations in Port-au-Prince where we spoke with some of the more than 700 political prisoners who have been unjustly arrested and illegally detained because of their support for President Aristide and involvement with the Fanmi Lavalas Party. At the Anti-Gang station there were as many as 20 men in one small holding cell, ages 14 to 51 years old. The conditions in which they are being held represent, as Fr. Gerard Jean-Juste so aptly stated, "inhumanity at its peak". The prisoners have to remain in the cell 24 hours a day. A small window allows for some light; otherwise there is none. The detainees are allowed to use the bathroom once in the morning. There is no food, unless family members or friends provide it. For some, their families have no idea that they are in jail. They cannot lie down to sleep; there is not enough room. The Haitian constitution states that prisoners should go before a judge within 48 hours of their arrest. Many had been in this cell for months and have not seen a judge. Many simply had no idea what their charges were. Their stories went something like this: "I got picked up in a raid." "I was just walking down the street and since I am poor and have no job, they picked me up." One elderly man asked, "Is it legal to be arrested for a crime that someone else committed? I was arrested because of the crime that my sons committed." One man came forward, saying he had been arrested because he looked like the cousin of Dred Wilme, a well-known President Aristide supporter and Fanmi Lavalas Party leader in Cite’ Soleil. He held a Bible in his hand and said, " I have been serving God since I was 11 years old. Maybe God sent you here to help." At the Comissariat in Port-au-Prince, one by one in solemn succession the prisoners stepped forward to relay their stories. As we turned to leave, one man said, "Don’t you have anything to give us?" We were not permitted to bring in our bags and had no money or food to give. I simply said, "No, we don’t, but I can tell you that on Monday morning, Feb. 28th we will be holding a demonstration in front of the White House to demand respect for your human rights and to call for the return of President Aristide and Democracy in Haiti." Those words instantaneously turned the darkness to light. All of the men were smiling and giving us the peace sign and holding our hands in gratitude and solidarity. One man said, "Take our picture, and put what we said in Arisitide’s ear so he can see how his sons are suffering. We need him to come back." We visited with people in the slums of Cite’ Soleil, perhaps the poorest people in the western hemisphere who are the victims suffering deeply from structural and political violence. One woman, Marianne Fifi, had sustained a gun shot wound to her left breast. Her chest wall, now a gaping hole, was infected due to lack of proper medical care. Sitting in the darkness of the hovel that is her home, she rocked back and forth in pain, a dirty rag to cover her wound. Although we had an interpreter, I had no words to console her. Robert, Karen and I had only a laying-on of hands for her treatment and healing. A young man who had been beaten by the police weeks earlier and suffered from both malaria and typhoid complained of being anemic and very weak. He thought that his last substantial meal was approximately two months ago. There was no money for food. We visited a 26 year old woman who had been in bed since November with a "weak heart". We observed her to be too weak to move or talk. She had a fever and bad cough. She had received no medical attention and had no money for food. She cried and cried as Bishop Gumbleton gave her a blessing. We were taken to one of the elders of the community who had been sick for the past three days with a stomach virus. His son demanded, aggressively in our faces, to know what we were going to do for his father. Luckily, Robert had some medicines to help and won him over by discussing with him not only his father’s condition, but concerns about his own health as well. I cannot find words to describe the stench, nor the squalid situation in which these sick and suffering people were living. Tom Griffin, Immigration Lawyer, in his recent report on Haiti refers to Cite’ Soleil as "one of the most distressed and hungry gatherings of humanity in the world". Mercifully, through Anne Sosin of The Institute of Justice and Democracy, we were able to arrange for these people’s care at the hospital and to buy food and water for them during their recovery. One of our goals for this particular delegation was to assess the possibility of establishing a health care presence at St. Claire’s parish at the request of Fr. Jean-Juste, who was recently released from 7 weeks in prison on false charges. I am happy to say that the goal was accomplished. We are in the process of organizing the next delegation. The plan is to begin by training members of St. Claire’s parish to be community health workers. We will also begin by providing basic health care to the children of the parish who come to the church for the feeding program. Ultimately, we hope to establish a House of Grace Catholic Worker sister clinic, which would be run by Haitian people with delegations from the U.S. assisting throughout the year as support staff. Feb. 28 marked the one year anniversary of the coup d’etat that forced out Haiti’s democratically elected President, Jean Bertrand Aristide. Haiti Action Committee writes, "The coup not only overthrew President Aristide, it overthrew a progressive economic and social agenda supported by the vast majority of Haiti’s population. Literacy programs, health care centers, the fight for children’s rights, a raise in the minimum wage, resistance to privatization, the struggle to bring human rights violators to justice and the effort to create an independent judiciary – these were the real targets of the coup. The coup has created a grave human rights situation in Haiti. Assassination squads now roam the cities and countryside searching for Fanmi Lavalas supporters. Bodies appear daily with hands cuffed behind their backs and plastic bags over their heads…thousands of Aristide supporters remain in hiding while other Haitians try to flee the country only to be turned back by the U.S. Coast Guard." Our experiences while in Haiti have proven that one year later Haiti remains politically unstable, plagued by violence, and horrendously impoverished. Many of the advances that had been made under President Aristide have been reversed. True to our promise to the Haitian political prisoners, approximately 50 people gathered for a demonstration in front of the White House to mark the anniversary of the coup. At the same time, thousands of Haitians held a demonstration in Bel Air, a neighborhood of Port-au-Prince. To the beat of drums they chanted, "Bring back Titi" (Aristide) in Creole, French and English. As both groups nonviolently demanded respect for Haitian human rights and the return of President Aristide and Democracy to Haiti, the U.S. protesters were ignored at the White House, while in Haiti the police opened fire on the unarmed crowds, killing two people and wounding many more. Bill Quigley, a member of our delegation who had remained in Haiti, said after witnessing the atrocity, "It was a horrifying and totally unprovoked massacre. People didn't have -- they had no guns, no bats, no pipes, no rocks, no anything. They were holding up political signs and dancing." Upon leaving the demonstration together, Fr Jean-Juste turned to him and said, "You see, Bill, you know what we face trying to do a nonviolent return of democracy in Haiti. The challenges we face are just incredible. We need international support to help us bring back our president, release our political prisoners, and restore constitutional democracy in Haiti." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rebelrot@yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 05:08:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 16173 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2005 05:08:07 -0000 Received: from web14822.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.225.172) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 23 Mar 2005 05:08:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 37422 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2005 05:08:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=irBTl57temhRfmyOF2bhFxEf5d5qdJcq1+OzbmMM2htRcT/s9EqYyLIhxNru+2QbDBJHvghcZXcRagGj8nY/49IptGXtg4dGhm+qyEAvvWnNL1Gh4BsxETCURgxGTsPhY802PYSTofGmfYqjUgUz1OhOHx0/8IkwkfjDuB51IYM= ; Message-ID: <20050323050805.37420.qmail@web14822.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.6.181.16] by web14822.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:08:04 PST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:08:04 -0800 (PST) From: Rebecca Rot To: Rebecca Rot , peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org In-Reply-To: <20050323050551.27186.qmail@web14825.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Peace-discussion] Re: [MARKS ON CONGRESSMAN'S WALL REPRESENT DEAD IN IRAQ Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Excellent action! 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Small Business - Try our new resources site! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jodyhaug@hotmail.com Wed Mar 02 18:37:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 23122 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2005 18:37:28 -0000 Received: from bay16-dav10.bay16.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.190) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 2 Mar 2005 18:37:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:37:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 168.103.155.152 by BAY16-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:36:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [168.103.155.152] X-Originating-Email: [jodyhaug@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jodyhaug@hotmail.com From: "Jody Grage Haug" To: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:47:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2005 18:37:00.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2373890:01C51F56] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Attacking Iran: I Know It Sounds Crazy, But....by Ray McGovern(former CIA analyst) Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Allen" To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:07 AM Subject: [GPUS-PAX] Attacking Iran: I Know It Sounds Crazy, But....by Ray McGovern(former CIA analyst) This should be required reading for everyone in the US...nancy http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=5024 Attacking Iran: I Know It Sounds Crazy, But. by Ray McGovern "'This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous.' "(Short pause) "'And having said that, all options are on the table.' "Even the White House stenographers felt obliged to note the result: '(Laughter).'" - Washington Post's Dan Froomkin on George Bush's Feb. 22 press conference For a host of good reasons - the huge and draining commitment of U.S. forces to Iraq and Iran's ability to stir the Iraqi pot to boiling, for starters - the notion that the Bush administration would mount a "preemptive" air attack on Iran seems insane. And still more insane if the objective includes overthrowing Iran's government again, as in 1953 - this time under the rubric of "regime change." But Bush administration policy toward the Middle East is being run by men - yes, only men - who were routinely referred to in high circles in Washington during the 1980s as "the crazies." I can attest to that personally, but one need not take my word for it. According to James Naughtie, author of The Accidental American: Tony Blair and the Presidency, former Secretary of State Colin Powell added an old soldier's adjective to the "crazies" sobriquet in referring to the same officials. Powell, who was military aide to Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger in the early '80s, was overheard calling them "the f***ing crazies" during a phone call with British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw before the war in Iraq. At the time, Powell was reportedly deeply concerned over their determination to attack - with or without UN approval. Small wonder that they got rid of Powell after the election, as soon as they had no more use for him. If further proof of insanity were needed, one could simply look at the unnecessary carnage in Iraq since the invasion in March 2003. That unprovoked attack was, in my view, the most fateful foreign policy blunder in our nation's history . so far. It Can Get Worse "The crazies" are not finished. And we do well not to let their ultimate folly obscure their current ambition, and the further trouble that ambition is bound to bring in the four years ahead. In an immediate sense, with U.S. military power unrivaled, they can be seen as "crazy like a fox," with a value system in which "might makes right." Operating out of that value system, and now sporting the more respectable misnomer/moniker "neoconservative," they are convinced that they know exactly what they are doing. They have a clear ideology and a geopolitical strategy, which leap from papers they put out at the Project for the New American Century over recent years. The very same men who, acting out of that paradigm, brought us the war in Iraq are now focusing on Iran, which they view as the only remaining obstacle to American domination of the entire oil-rich Middle East. They calculate that, with a docile, corporate-owned press, a co-opted mainstream church, and a still-trusting populace, the United States and/or the Israelis can launch a successful air offensive to disrupt any Iranian nuclear weapons programs - with the added bonus of possibly causing the regime in power in Iran to crumble. But why now? After all, the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency has just told Congress that Iran is not likely to have a nuclear weapon until "early in the next decade." The answer, according to some defense experts, is that several of the Iranian facilities are still under construction and there is only a narrow "window of opportunity" to destroy them without causing huge environmental problems. That window, they say, will begin to close this year. Other analysts attribute the sense of urgency to worry in Washington that the Iranians may have secretly gained access to technology that would facilitate a leap forward into the nuclear club much sooner than now anticipated. And it is, of course, neoconservative doctrine that it is best to nip - the word in current fashion is "preempt" - any conceivable threats in the bud. One reason the Israelis are pressing hard for early action may simply be out of a desire to ensure that George W. Bush will have a few more years as president after an attack on Iran, so that they will have him to stand with Israel when bedlam breaks out in the Middle East. What about post-attack "Day Two?" Not to worry. Well-briefed pundits are telling us about a wellspring of Western-oriented moderates in Iran who, with a little help from the U.S., could seize power in Tehran. I find myself thinking: Right; just like all those Iraqis who welcomed invading American and British troops with open arms and cut flowers. For me, this evokes a painful flashback to the early '80s when "intelligence," pointing to "moderates" within the Iranian leadership, was conjured up to help justify the imaginative but illegal arms-for-hostages-and-proceeds-to-Nicaraguan-contras caper. The fact that the conjurer-in-chief of that spurious "evidence" on Iranian "moderates," former chief CIA analyst (later director) Robert Gates, was recently offered the newly created position of director of national intelligence makes the flashback more eerie - and alarming. George H. W. Bush Saw Through "The Crazies" During his term in office, George H. W. Bush, with the practical advice of his national security adviser Gen. Brent Scowcroft and Secretary of State James Baker, was able to keep "the crazies" at arm's length, preventing them from getting the country into serious trouble. They were kept well below the level of "principal" - that is, below the level of secretary of state or defense. Even so, heady in the afterglow of victory in the Gulf War of 1990, "the crazies" stirred up considerable controversy when they articulated their radical views. Their vision, for instance, became the centerpiece of the draft "Defense Planning Guidance" that Paul Wolfowitz, de facto dean of the neoconservatives, prepared in 1992 for then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney. It dismissed deterrence as an outdated relic of the Cold War and argued that the United States must maintain military strength beyond conceivable challenge - and use it in preemptive ways in dealing with those who might acquire "weapons of mass destruction." Sound familiar? Aghast at this radical imperial strategy for the post-Cold War world, someone with access to the draft leaked it to the New York Times, forcing President George H. W. Bush either to endorse or disavow it. Disavow it he did - and quickly, on the cooler-head recommendations of Scowcroft and Baker, who proved themselves a bulwark against the hubris and megalomania of "the crazies." Unfortunately, their vision did not die. No less unfortunately, there is method to their madness - even if it threatens to spell eventual disaster for our country. Empires always overreach and fall. The Return of the Neocons In 2001, the new President Bush brought the neocons back and put them in top policymaking positions. Even former Assistant Secretary of State Elliot Abrams, convicted in October 1991 of lying to Congress and then pardoned by George H. W. Bush, was called back and put in charge of Middle East policy in the White House. In January, he was promoted to the influential post (once occupied by Robert Gates) of deputy assistant to the president for national security affairs. From that senior position, Abrams will once again be dealing closely with John Negroponte, an old colleague from rogue-elephant Contra War days, who has now been picked to be the first director of national intelligence. Those of us who - like Colin Powell - had front-row seats during the 1980s are far too concerned to dismiss the re-emergence of the neocons as a simple case of déjà vu. They are much more dangerous now. Unlike in the '80s, they are the ones crafting the adventurous policies our sons and daughters are being called on to implement. Why dwell on this? The neocons seem to believe that, in the wake of the November election, they now have a carte-blanche "mandate." And with the president's new "capital to spend," they appear determined to spend it, sooner rather than later. Next Stop, Iran When a Special Forces platoon leader just back from Iraq matter-of-factly tells a close friend of mine, as happened last week, that he and his unit are now training their sights (literally) on Iran, we need to take that seriously. It provides us with a glimpse of reality as seen at ground level. For me, it brought to mind an unsolicited e-mail I received from the father of a young soldier training at Ft. Benning in the spring of 2002, soon after I wrote an op-ed discussing the timing of George W. Bush's decision to make war on Iraq. The father informed me that, during the spring of 2002, his son kept writing home saying his unit was training to go into Iraq. No, said the father; you mean Afghanistan. That's where the war is, not Iraq. In his next e-mail, the son said, "No, Dad, they keep saying Iraq. I asked them and that's what they mean." Now, apparently, they keep saying Iran; and that appears to be what they mean. Anecdotal evidence like this is hardly conclusive. Put it together with administration rhetoric and a preponderance of other "dots," though, and everything points in the direction of an air attack on Iran, possibly also involving some ground forces. Indeed, from the New Yorker reports of Seymour Hersh to Washington Post articles, accounts of small-scale American intrusions on the ground as well as into Iranian airspace are appearing with increasing frequency. In a speech given on Feb. 18, former UN arms inspector and Marine officer Scott Ritter (who was totally on target before the Iraq War on that country's lack of weapons of mass destruction) claimed that the president has already "signed off" on plans to bomb Iran in June in order to destroy its alleged nuclear weapons program and eventually bring about "regime change." This does not necessarily mean an automatic green light for a large attack in June, but it may signal the president's seriousness about this option. So, again, against the background of what we have witnessed over the past four years, and the troubling fact that the circle of second-term presidential advisers has become even tighter, we do well to inject a strong note of urgency into any discussion of the "Iranian option." Why Would Iran Want Nukes? So why would Iran think it has to acquire nuclear weapons? Senator Richard Lugar, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was asked this on a Sunday talk show a few months ago. Apparently having a senior moment, he failed to give the normal answer. Instead, he replied, "Well, you know, Israel has." At that point, he caught himself and abruptly stopped. Recovering quickly and realizing that he could not just leave the word "Israel" hanging there, Lugar began again: "Well, Israel is alleged to have a nuclear capability." Is alleged to have.? Lugar is chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and yet he doesn't know that Israel has, by most estimates, a major nuclear arsenal, consisting of several hundred nuclear weapons? (Mainstream newspapers are allergic to dwelling on this topic, but it is mentioned every now and then, usually buried in obscurity on an inside page.) Just imagine how the Iranians and Syrians would react to Lugar's disingenuousness. Small wonder our highest officials and lawmakers - and Lugar, remember, is one of the most decent among them - are widely seen abroad as hypocritical. Our media, of course, ignore the hypocrisy. This is standard operating procedure when the word "Israel" is spoken in this or other unflattering contexts. And the objections of those appealing for a more balanced approach are quashed. If the truth be told, Iran fears Israel at least as much as Israel fears the internal security threat posed by the thugs supported by Tehran. Iran's apprehension is partly fear that Israel (with at least tacit support from the Bush administration) will send its aircraft to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, just as American-built Israeli bombers destroyed the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osiraq in 1981. As part of the current war of nerves, recent statements by the president and vice president can be read as giving a green light to Israel to do just that; while Israeli Air Force commander Major General Eliezer Shakedi told reporters on Feb. 21 that Israel must be prepared for an air strike on Iran "in light of its nuclear activity." U.S.-Israel Nexus The Iranians also remember how Israel was able to acquire and keep its nuclear technology. Much of it was stolen from the United States by spies for Israel. As early as the late 1950s, Washington knew Israel was building the bomb and could have aborted the project. Instead, American officials decided to turn a blind eye and let the Israelis go ahead. Now Israel's nuclear capability is truly formidable. Still, it is a fact of strategic life that a formidable nuclear arsenal can be deterred by a far more modest one, if an adversary has the means to deliver it. (Look at North Korea's success with, at best, a few nuclear weapons and questionable means of delivery in deterring the "sole remaining superpower in the world.") And Iran already has missiles with the range to hit Israel. Israeli Prime Minister Sharon has for some time appeared eager to enlist Washington's support for an early "preemptive" strike on Iran. Indeed, American defense officials have told reporters that visiting Israeli officials have been pressing the issue for the past year and a half. And the Israelis are now claiming publicly that Iran could have a nuclear weapon within six months - years earlier than the Defense Intelligence Agency estimate mentioned above. In the past, President Bush has chosen to dismiss unwelcome intelligence estimates as "guesses" - especially when they threatened to complicate decisions to implement the neoconservative agenda. It is worth noting that several of the leading neocons - Richard Perle, chair of the Defense Policy Board (2001-03); Douglas Feith, undersecretary of defense for policy; and David Wurmser, Middle East adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney - actually wrote policy papers for the Israeli government during the 1990s. They have consistently had great difficulty distinguishing between the strategic interests of Israel and those of the U.S. - at least as they imagine them. As for President Bush, over the past four years he has amply demonstrated his preference for the counsel of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who, as Gen. Scowcroft said publicly, has the president "wrapped around his little finger." (As chairman of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board until he was unceremoniously removed at the turn of the year, Scowcroft was in a position to know.) If Scowcroft is correct in also saying that the president has been "mesmerized" by Sharon, it seems possible that the Israelis already have successfully argued for an attack on Iran. When "Regime Change" Meant Overthrow for Oil To remember why the United States is no favorite in Tehran, one needs to go back at least to 1953 when the U.S. and Great Britain overthrew Iran's democratically elected Premier Mohammed Mossadegh as part of a plan to insure access to Iranian oil. They then emplaced the young shah in power, who, with his notorious secret police, proved second to none in cruelty. The shah ruled from 1953 to 1979. Much resentment can build up over a whole generation. His regime fell like a house of cards, when supporters of Ayatollah Khomeini rose up to do some regime change of their own. Iranians also remember Washington's strong support for Saddam Hussein's Iraq after it decided to make war on Iran in 1980. U.S. support for Iraq (which included crucial intelligence support for the war and an implicit condoning of Saddam's use of chemical weapons) was perhaps the crucial factor in staving off an Iranian victory. Imagine then, the threat Iranians see, should the Bush administration succeed in establishing up to 14 permanent military bases in neighboring Iraq. Any Iranian can look at a map of the Middle East (including occupied Iraq) and conclude that this administration might indeed be willing to pay the necessary price in blood and treasure to influence what happens to the black gold under Iranian as well as Iraqi sands. And with four more years to play with, a lot can be done along those lines. The obvious question is: How to deter it? Well, once again, Iran can hardly be blind to the fact that a small nation like North Korea has so far deterred U.S. action by producing, or at least claiming to have produced, nuclear weapons. Nuclear Is the Nub The nuclear issue is indeed paramount, and we would do well to imagine and craft fresh approaches to the nub of the problem. As a start, I'll bet if you made a survey, only 20 percent of Americans would answer "yes" to the question, "Does Israel have nuclear weapons?" That is key, it seems to me, because at their core Americans are still fair-minded people. On the other hand, I'll bet that 95 percent of the Iranian population would answer, "Of course Israel has nuclear weapons; that's why we Iranians need them" - which was, of course, the unmentionable calculation that Senator Lugar almost conceded. "And we also need them," many Iranians would probably say, "in order to deter 'the crazies' in Washington. It seems to be working for the North Koreans, who, after all, are the other remaining point on President Bush's 'axis of evil.'" The ideal approach would, of course, be to destroy all nuclear weapons in the world and ban them for the future, with a very intrusive global inspection regime to verify compliance. A total ban is worth holding up as an ideal, and I think we must. But this approach seems unlikely to bear fruit over the next four years. So what then? A Nuclear-Free Middle East How about a nuclear-free Middle East? Could the U.S. make that happen? We could if we had moral clarity - the underpinning necessary to bring it about. Each time this proposal is raised, the Syrians, for example, clap their hands in feigned joyful anticipation, saying, "Of course such a pact would include Israel, right?" The issue is then dropped from all discussion by U.S. policymakers. Required: not only moral clarity but also what Thomas Aquinas labeled the precondition for all virtue, courage. In this context, courage would include a refusal to be intimidated by inevitable charges of anti-Semitism. The reality is that, except for Israel, the Middle East is nuclear-free. But the discussion cannot stop there. It is not difficult to understand why the first leaders of Israel, with the Holocaust experience written indelibly on their hearts and minds, and feeling surrounded by perceived threats to the fledgling state's existence, wanted the bomb. And so, before the Syrians or Iranians, for example, get carried away with self-serving applause for the nuclear-free Middle East proposal, they will have to understand that for any such negotiation to succeed it must have as a concomitant aim the guarantee of an Israel able to live in peace and protect itself behind secure borders. That guarantee has got to be part of the deal. That the obstacles to any such agreement are formidable is no excuse for not trying. But the approach would have to be new and everything would have to be on the table. Persisting in a state of denial about Israel's nuclear weapons is dangerously shortsighted; it does nothing but aggravate fears among the Arabs and create further incentive for them to acquire nuclear weapons of their own. A sensible approach would also have to include a willingness to engage the Iranians directly, attempt to understand their perspective, and discern what the United States and Israel could do to alleviate their concerns. Preaching to Iran and others about not acquiring nuclear weapons is, indeed, like the village drunk preaching sobriety - the more so as our government keeps developing new genres of nuclear weapons and keeps looking the other way as Israel enhances its own nuclear arsenal. Not a pretty moral picture, that. Indeed, it reminds me of the Scripture passage about taking the plank out of your own eye before insisting that the speck be removed from another's. Lessons From the Past . Like Mutual Deterrence Has everyone forgotten that deterrence worked for some 40 years, while for most of those years the U.S. and the USSR had not by any means lost their lust for ever enhanced nuclear weapons? The point is simply that, while engaging the Iranians bilaterally and searching for more imaginative nuclear-free proposals, the U.S. might adopt a more patient interim attitude regarding the striving of other nation states to acquire nuclear weapons - bearing in mind that the Bush administration's policies of "preemption" and "regime change" themselves create powerful incentives for exactly such striving. As was the case with Iraq two years ago, there is no imminent Iranian strategic threat to Americans - or, in reality, to anyone. Even if Iran acquired a nuclear capability, there is no reason to believe that it would risk a suicidal first strike on Israel. That, after all, is what mutual deterrence is all about; it works both ways. It is nonetheless clear that the Israelis' sense of insecurity - however exaggerated it may seem to those of us thousands of miles away - is not synthetic but real. The Sharon government appears to regard its nuclear monopoly in the region as the only effective "deterrence insurance" it can buy. It is determined to prevent its neighbors from acquiring the kind of capability that could infringe on the freedom it now enjoys to carry out military and other actions in the area. Government officials have said that Israel will not let Iran acquire a nuclear weapon; it would be folly to dismiss this as bravado. The Israelis have laid down a marker and mean to follow through - unless the Bush administration assumes the attitude that "preemption" is an acceptable course for the United States but not for Israel. It seems unlikely that the neoconservatives would take that line. Rather. "Israel Is Our Ally." Or so said our president before the cameras on Feb. 17, 2005. But I didn't think we had a treaty of alliance with Israel; I don't remember the Senate approving one. Did I miss something? Clearly, the long-standing U.S.-Israeli friendship and the ideals we share dictate continuing support for Israel's defense and security. It is quite another thing, though, to suggest the existence of formal treaty obligations that our country does not have. To all intents and purposes, our policymakers - from the president on down - seem to speak and behave on the assumption that we do have such obligations toward Israel. A former colleague CIA analyst, Michael Scheuer, author of Imperial Hubris, has put it this way: "The Israelis have succeeded in lacing tight the ropes binding the American Gulliver to Israel and its policies." An earlier American warned: "A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation facilitates the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, infuses into one the enmities of the other, and betrays the former into participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. . It also gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens, who devote themselves to the favorite nation, facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country." - George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796 In my view, our first president's words apply only too aptly to this administration's lash-up with the Sharon government. As responsible citizens, we need to overcome our timidity about addressing this issue, lest our fellow Americans continue to be denied important information neglected or distorted in our domesticated media. Ray McGovern served as a CIA analyst for 27 years - from the administration of John F. Kennedy to that of George H. W. Bush. During the early 1980s, he was one of the writers/editors of the President's Daily Brief and briefed it one-on-one to the president's most senior advisers. He also chaired National Intelligence Estimates. In January 2003, he and four former colleagues founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace@lists.gp-us.org http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/peace From rebelrot@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 02:58:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 16981 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 02:58:17 -0000 Received: from web14827.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.225.225) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 02:58:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 44925 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2005 02:58:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hxTkfLP9p7y9EqCtywy1aLzrCrtiu6YemrwCaqmdFLc6wg/l/devmLWWDus663i8+kRvxv9GULD9On0nuWv3XxoSy5ru+Zs0ql2794pU0YXqt0h5Bs11mM0jIu7PQ31+2cGwUthGxPUtlGxYF8JAJbeE2j/TvUsU8RUCefXrKJQ= ; Message-ID: <20050412025815.44923.qmail@web14827.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.97.124.242] by web14827.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:58:14 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Rot To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Peace-discussion] Washington Univ. update Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The following is from a student participating in the ongoing sit-in/occupation in the main administrative building of Washington University in St. Louis. The sit-in is in support of campus workers who do not currently receive a living wage. Currently the sit-in has been going on for over 24 hours(as of noon april 5). Below this message is a list of ways you can take action and a summary of what we've been doing over the past 10 days. Hello from Brookings Hall. I sent out information about our living wage campaign on the first day students occupied Washington University's admissions office; today we are on day 8 of our sit-in. Washington University's chancellor has remained as unresponsive as he can get away with, even going so far as guaranteeing his presence at a meeting today and then sending representatives at the last minute. We have, however, received endorsements from national AFL-CIO president John Sweeney, Missouri AFL-CIO president Hugh McVey, Congressman Lacy Clay, and Senator John Edwards. With such overwhelming support and our refusal to leave this office, we are optimistic about our chances of winning. In today's meeting we requested a start to negotiations but were put off. Besides sending representatives that had no binding authority, the administration showed no intention of directly responding to our proposed code of conduct. We expect this to be a sticking point given the Chancellor's previous response, a stateme! nt to the effect of, "Students don't negotiate. Only I negotiate." Our action will prove to him that students do in fact have the power to negotiate what happens with their tuition money and to hold such supposedly progressive institutions accountable. Please let our chancellor, Mark Wrighton, know that we are not alone in our sentiments: email wrighton@wustl.edu or call 314.935.5100. ~Meredith Davis mldavis@wustl.edu Student Worker Alliance Direct Contact with SWA: Ojiugo Uzoma ouzoma@wustl.edu 314-680-8016 ----------------------------------------------------- What You Can Do: 1. Contact Chancellor Mark S. Wrighton and tell him you are in support of a living wage email: wrighton@wustl.edu phone: +1 314 935-5100 fax: +1 314 935-4744 -And if you are in St. Louis we are having rallies at noon and 5pm at the university. 2. Forward This Email and Tell Your Friends 3. Sign the online petition in support of a living wage for Washington University Workers. You can sign on behalf of yourself or an organization. If you are an alum, please sign the petition here: http://www.petitiononline.com/WUwages/petition.html On Our Website, follow the Endorsements link on The Left: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~tjzander/ There is a direct link to the petition form here: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~tjzander/solidarity.html ------------------------------------------------------------- The Sit-In at Washington University in St. Louis What has SWA done in the first 5 days? Rally on Friday March 31 Two Aramark workers speak in support of a living wage. Give Chancellor Code of Conduct and demand a meeting on Monday April 4 Day 1 - April 4 Chancellor did not come when we asked. Establish Presence- 50 people in office. WU announces that Chancellor will meet with University Council to review Code of Conduct on Mon. April 11. -attempt to delay and wait us out. 5 reps from SWA meet with Vice Chancellor Givens and 4 Deans to go over Code. 150 visitors sign their names in support. Alumni Petition that halts donations begins. Initiate daily rallies at noon and five. More than 20 students sleep in the office. Day 2 - April 5 The Sit-In appears in St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Increased contact with PFs(pre-freshmen, prospective students). Distribute fliers. Orange arm bands. 'Living Wage Now' shirts. Endorsement from John J. Sweeney, president of national AFL-CIO. Sit-IN on: Local Fox-2 News, CBS Channel 4, UPN Day 3 - April 6 Professor petition continues to circulate Living Wage Campaigns from Georgetown, Harvard, and Stanford wrote to SWA with encouragement to stay committed. Tent city kicks off! to show --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From adog2@earthlink.net Tue Apr 12 19:03:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 32766 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 19:03:06 -0000 Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (209.86.89.64) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 19:03:06 -0000 Received: from [63.13.234.16] (helo=computer) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DLQf9-0002O2-RU for peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:03:04 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=EcBFk4XHFFhXeJSHHa8ZguNkovgJ2iAtORp+7lLB/dAtmZ9Bl0E1Qbp4eId84QIc; Message-ID: <028c01c53f92$6e0dcb20$0a0110ac@computer> From: "Tim Casebolt" To: "PAX-discussion" Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:04:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ELNK-Trace: 5b0a68cd7db84fa074bf435c0eb9d47871d827ff0926bd876f97f303e161e6d68764b0dfbb6826e9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 63.13.234.16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Fw: ACT NOW | International Day of Action Against Caterpillar, April 13, 2005 Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ----- Original Message ----- From: "US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: ACT NOW | International Day of Action Against Caterpillar, April 13, 2005 US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation International Day of Action against Caterpillar Wednesday, April 13, 2005 Tomorrow activists around the world will participate in an international day of action against Caterpillar to protest its policy of selling bulldozers to the Israeli army. Israel uses Caterpillar bulldozers to commit numerous human rights violations against Palestinians, including the killing of innocent civilians, the demolishing of homes, the destruction of agricultural land, and the building of an illegal wall in the West Bank. Protests will be taking place tomorrow around the country and throughout the world. Below is a partial list of actions-find one near you and participate! If you know of an action taking place that is not listed below, please post it to: http://www.catdestroyshomes.org/calendar_input.php For more details on these events, please see: http://www.catdestroyshomes.org/calendar.php TBA, Washington: International Day of Action Against Caterpillar Wednesday, April 13th 2005 TBA Rally with speakers to express our demand that Caterpillar end its support of the Israeli occupation and stop supplying bulldozers to the Israeli military as long as they continue to abuse Palestinian human rights. Peoria, Illinois: Cat Protest Wednesday, April 13th 2005 noon Protest in front of Cat headquarters at noon until one. We will be passing out educational flyers also. Corvallis, Oregon: Corvallis/Albany Caterpillar Protest Vigil Wednesday, April 13th 2005 We are planning to do some sort of vigil, but I don't have the details worked out yet. We meet March 15 and will have more after that. Chicago, Illinois: Chicago - Protest outside shareholder meeting Wednesday, April 13th 2005 12 pm - 3 pm, press conference 12:30 pm Press conference and rally outside of the annual Caterpillar shareholder meeting. Specific details coming very soon. If you can only make it for an hour, come from Noon-1pm. Dallas, Texas: Dallas Protest Wednesday, April 13th 2005 5pm This will be an informational picket. We will stand in front of the Cat dealership holding signs and banners and will give out informational fliers. Memphis, Tennessee: Protest Against Caterpillar Wednesday, April 13th 2005 11:00am Protest with signs and banners against Caterpillar's continued cooperation with the Israeli Military despite the grave human rights abuses committed by their equipment. Buffalo, New York: Rally Against CAT Wednesday, April 13th 2005 Rally Against CAT -- for details, call 894-2013 or email colin@wnypeace.org Greenville, South Carolina: Billboard unveiling Wednesday, April 13th 2005 10:00 am Billboard unveiling and educational leafletting on Israeli human rights violations and Catepillar's complicity. San Francisco, California: Global Day of Action -- Protest the sale of CAT-branded merchandise Wednesday, April 13th 2005 4:30 PM-6:30 PM Join the demonstration outside of Shoe Pavillion, which sells CAT-branded boots. Given that Caterpillar sells mostly industrial equipment, consumers can make a statement by not purchasing this CAT-branded merchandise. Raleigh, North Carolina: NCSU students host street theatre demonstration Wednesday, April 13th 2005 11:00 am- 3:00pm Street Theatre with representations of Palestinian Villages being destroyed by imitation CAT bulldozers. St. Louis, Missouri: Day of Action Against CAT Wednesday, April 13th 2005 morning SUSTAIN-St. Louis will be meeting with representatives of John Fabick Tractor Co., a local authorized CAT dealership to encourage them to send a letter of endorsement for the shareholder resolution. Poughkeepsie, New York: Stop Caterpillar Sales to Israel Wednesday, April 13th 2005 5 PM Rally at Caterpillar dealership,122 Noxon Rd. (off Rt. 55), east of Poughkeepsie Cambridge, Massachusetts: Information Session and Rally Wednesday, April 13th 2005 5:15-7:00 PM The bootCAT campaign is organizing an Informational Session on Caterpillar to which Cambridge City Councilors are invited, on Wednesday, April 13 from 5:15-6:15 PM at the First Parish Church in Harvard Square, followed by a rally in Harvard Square. Large banners, speakers, educational materials. This action follows rallies outside the CAT dealership in Milford, Massachusetts on four successive Saturdays. New York City, New York: Protest Outside the Home of a CAT Board Member Wednesday, April 13th 2005 4:15 pm Rally outside the Manhattan office of a Caterpillar Board Member Kansas City, Missouri: Day of Action Against Caterpillar Wednesday, April 13th 2005 11:30 AM Kansas City area peace groups are planning to observe the National Day of Action Against Caterpillar which is scheduled for Wednesday, April 13. Did you know that 50,000 Palestinians have been made homeless by Caterpillar bulldozers? Did you know that Caterpillar has a home office just off Southwest Trafficway? Join the rally outside Dean Machinery, a local Caterpillar dealership on Wednesday, April 13 from 11:30 am to 1:00 pm, 1201 W. 31st Street, Kansas City, Missouri. This dealership is located a quarter-mile (0.25 miles) west of 31st & Southwest Trafficway. Parking is available in a lot just to the east of Dean Machinery on the south side of the street. Iowa City, Iowa: STOP CAT Informational Leafletting and Fillm showings Wednesday, April 13th 2005 12:00 PM NOON STOP CAT Informational Leafletting and Fillm showings Austin, Texas: Cat Protest Wednesday, April 13th 2005 12:00 pm Gather at the I-35 & Slaughter Ln. Holt Caterpillar dealer in support of the resolution to divest from Israel to be voted on same day in Chicago. Bloomington, Minnesota: CAT Protest Wednesday, April 13th 2005 11 am Rally with signs, banners in front of Ziegler Cat, midwest Caterpillar dealership Birmingham, International: Caterkiller Protest Motorcade, near Birmingham, UK Saturday, April 16th 2005 11 am Oakland, California: Celebrate the successes of the CAT campaign Wednesday, April 20th 2005 8:00 PM-?? _____________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or update your listing go to: http://www.endtheoccupation.org/email.php?id=3043&token=802004 From rebelrot@yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 03:24:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-Peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 19311 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2005 03:24:02 -0000 Received: from web14823.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.225.178) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 15 Apr 2005 03:24:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 70893 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2005 03:23:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=FvdJe5LZh1LX0F4amUCW0ZOczbCfrqH00bYgKG63/5mJ6StjCh9zAZq7/7xL3XnAvu9xCljAsrbNrvETtX84z5QEl70NtkecB+2bQqkK1yfr0MPlekOqhYol2z7ACxMCMu5qoAE9Hjmvrx4yyg0Bb3V5VNeYyDWS2c/8n+/U9HI= ; Message-ID: <20050415032359.70891.qmail@web14823.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.97.124.242] by web14823.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:23:59 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Rot To: Peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Peace-discussion] Indigenous Peoples oppose National Geographic & IBM, etc. Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: BIO-IPR docserver | http://www.grain.org/bio-ipr >________________________________________________________ > >TITLE: Indigenous Peoples Oppose National Geographic & IBM Genetic >Research Project that Seeks Indigenous Peoples DNA >AUTHOR: Indigenous Peoples Council on Biocolonialism >PUBLICATION: Press Release >DATE: 13 April 2005 >URL: http://www.ipcb.org >________________________________________________________ > >Press Release > >Dated: April 13, 2005 - 12:01 am >Released by: Indigenous Peoples Council on Biocolonialism >Contact: Debra Harry (dharry@ipcb.org) or Le'a Kanehe (lkanehe@ipcb.org) >Tel: 001 (775) 574-0248 >Cell: 001 (775) 338-0079 > > >INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OPPOSE NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC & IBM GENETIC RESEARCH PROJECT THAT SEEKS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DNA > >(Nixon, NV) The Indigenous Peoples Council on Biocolonialism (IPCB) is >alarmed at the launching of new global genetic research project that >will focus on the collection of Indigenous peoples DNA. The National >Geographic Society and the IBM Corporation announced the launch of the >Genographic Project today that purports to "help people better >understand their ancient history." The project, funded by the Waitt >Family Foundation, expects to collect 100,000 DNA samples from >Indigenous peoples around the world. The taking of samples will be >coordinated by ten worldwide regional research centers. With centers in >Australia, Brazil, North America and Southeast Asia, Sub-Sahara and >South Africa, this project is certain to affect many Indigenous peoples >around the world. > >The IPCB, an Indigenous organization that addresses issues of biopiracy >began its work in 1993 to oppose the Human Genome Diversity Project >(HGDP), a project so fraught with ethical and scientific problems it >failed to get endorsement from the National Science Foundation, or >UNESCO. Debra Harry, who is Northern Paiute and serves as IPCB's >Executive Director, noting this new project's similarities with the >HGDP, said, "This is a recurrent nightmare. It's essentially the same >project we defeated years ago. Some of the actors are different, but >also some are the same. With the founder of the HGDP serving on this >new project's advisory committee, I can't help but think this is simply >a new reiteration of the HGDP." > >The HGDP faced international opposition by Indigenous peoples who >considered the project an unconscionable attempt by genetic researchers >to pirate their DNA for their own means. That experience has led to >strong advocacy by Indigenous peoples to insure human rights standards >are entrenched in research. Cherryl Smith, a Maori bioethicist from >Aotearoa (New Zealand) said, "Indigenous groups around the world are >much more aware of biopiracy, and our own human and collective rights in >research. In the past ten years, we have developed extensive networks of >Indigenous peoples who are knowledgeable and active in defense of their >rights." > >Le'a Kanehe, a Native Hawaiian who serves as the IPCB's Legal Analyst, >gives the example of the Havasupai Tribe, who filed a lawsuit in 2004 >against Arizona State University for the taking and misuse of their >genetic samples. "Indigenous peoples are holding scientists accountable >for use of their genetic material without prior informed consent, which >is the accepted legal standard." The tribe authorized diabetes research, >but later discovered their samples were used for schizophrenia, >inbreeding and migration theories. > >The Genographic Project press release claims that an international >advisory board will oversee the selection of Indigenous populations for >testing as well as adhering to strict sampling and research protocols. >The HGDP was unable to secure federal or UN support for failure to meet >ethical concerns and standards. The Genographic Project has striking >similarities to the HGDP. Dr. Jonathan Marks, genetic anthropologist and >board member of the IPCB, said, "The HGDP was terminated because of >intractable bioethical issues. Has IBM and National Geographic been able >to remedy those issues? I don't think so." Harry is similarly concerned >that the Genographic Project is an attempt to escape public and legal >scrutiny by going private. > >Kanehe says that "It's interesting how in the past racist scientists, >such as those in the eugenics movement, did studies asserting that we >are biologically inferior to them; and now, they are saying their >research will show that we're all related to each other and share common >origins. Both ventures are based on racist science and produce invalid, >yet damaging conclusions about Indigenous cultures." > >IPCB Chairperson Judy Gobert (Blackfoot), said, "These kinds of projects >have to stretch to claim any tangible benefits to Indigenous peoples. >Somehow, the Genographic Project has led its Indigenous participants to >believe its work will insure their people's cultural preservation. There >is a huge disconnect between genetic research and cultural >preservation." Smith says, "If they really want to help promote >Indigenous peoples cultures there are more productive ways and methods >for doing so." > >Noting the project's goal to map the migratory history of humankind >through DNA, Marla Big Boy, a Lakota attorney on IPCB's board, says, >"Our creation stories and languages carry information about our >genealogy and ancestors. We don't need genetic testing to tell us where >we come from." Big Boy notes with concern that the project proposes to >do studies on ancient DNA. "We will not stand by while our ancestors are >desecrated in the name of scientific discovery." > >The IPCB is calling on all Indigenous peoples, and our friends and >colleagues to join in an international boycott of IBM, Gateway Computers >(the source of the Waitt family fortune), and National Geographic until >it's demand that this project be abandoned are met. Harry said, "We are >prepared to stop projects that treat us as scientific curiosities. We >must act to protect our most vulnerable communities from this unwanted >intrusion. We resisted the HGDP, and we will defeat this proposal as well." > > >For more information contact: > >Indigenous Peoples Council on Biocolonism >ipcb@ipcb.org >http://www.ipcb.org > > >________________________________________________________ >ABOUT BIO-IPR -- BIO-IPR is an irregular listserver produced by GRAIN. >Its purpose is to circulate news and information about recent >developments in the field of intellectual property rights related to >biodiversity and associated knowledge. BIO-IPR is a strictly >non-commercial and educational service for nonprofit organisations and >individuals active in the struggle against IPRs on life. The views >expressed in each post are those of the indicated author(s). >ARCHIVES -- The full archives are online at http://www.grain.org/bio-ipr. >SUBSCRIPTIONS -- To subscribe or modify your subscription details, >please go to http://www.grain.org/subscribe/bioipr.cfm and either join >or login. (Those without web access can send a blank message to >mailto:subscribe-bio-ipr@grain.org.) >SUBMISSIONS -- To submit material for posting on BIO-IPR, or any >questions about the list, please contact us at mailto:bio-ipr@grain.org. >ABOUT US -- GRAIN is a small international NGO working to strengthen >farmers' control over agricultural biodiversity and local knowledge, >particularly in developing countries. For more information about GRAIN, >please visit http://www.grain.org. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rebelrot@yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 20:40:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-Peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 22611 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 20:40:37 -0000 Received: from web14827.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.225.225) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 20:40:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 47261 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2005 20:40:35 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=kMT0aYl+V/0pnSwA2ElxC6oaxQ68nLxvWq2pNxDcvO/NDWVYi4zVZMn9szNWpljs/IT8wu3xs83vmP2+upOgEbPWAbDv71UGgCR/sQ2gpRRXO20obQ3LkJ3EJSS6dDEX8xdlKoZ6HvUdIfsjsb7vRyfSRBqSSC4XFOhuEiju1aw= ; Message-ID: <20050418204035.47255.qmail@web14827.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.75.66.11] by web14827.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:40:35 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:40:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Rot To: Peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org In-Reply-To: <20050415032359.70891.qmail@web14823.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Peace-discussion] Free Breakfast at the Green Tea House! Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Subject: Fwd: Free Breakfast Program > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >CONTACT >zool at 646-549-1615 or zoolTheArtandPolitics@hotmail.com > >WHO >Hon. Charles Barron and the artists and activists collective of the >East New York Green Tea House. > >WHAT >The East New York Green Tea House, a free community meeting space, >opens with a FREE BREAKFAST PROGRAM honoring NYC Councilmember >Charles Barron. The Free Breakfast Program will serve green tea, >fresh fruit and organic whole grain cereal the last Friday of every >month. > >WHEN >Friday, April 29, 7-9 AM >Ceremony and Press Conference at 9 AM > >WHERE >EAST NEW YORK GREEN TEA HOUSE >300 Logan Street >(Between Atlantic & Liberty Avenues) >Brooklyn NY 11208 >718-277-6276 >646-549-1615 >zoolTheArtandPolitics@hotmail.com > >PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION >A Train to Euclid, J to Norwood > >BACKGROUND >The East New York Green Tea House, a newly formed artists & >activists collective, is located at 300 Logan Street, Brooklyn. It >has been the family home of co-founder Gary Davidson for nearly 100 >years. The East New York Green Tea House is now open to the public >as a free community meeting space. > >Our Open House Weekend (Friday, April 29 - Sunday, May 1) will kick >off with a Free Breakfast Program (last Friday of every month, 7-9 >AM), serving free green tea, fresh fruit and organic whole grain >cereal. > >On Friday, April 29 at 9 AM, the East New York Green Tea House >collective will hold a ceremony and press conference to honor NYC >Councilmember Charles Barron for his community work as a member of >the Black Panther Party. > >On Saturday, April 30 and Sunday, May 1, the East New York Green Tea >House invites the community to a "Painting & Scheduling Open House." >Monthly free bicycle workshops, "spoken word" nights, and a free >legal clinic will be scheduled for the coming season. Members of >the community are invited to propose additional projects and events. >(Work clothes are suggested for those who wish to participate in >house renovation and gardening projects.) > >The East New York Green Tea House artists & activists collective >intends to serve basic community needs and to promote community >gardening, the East New York Farmers Market and the start-up of the >East New York Food Coop (with the East New York Food Policy >Council); as well as bicycling, better public transportation, energy >coops and energy conservation, clean air and water, and the >re-development of East New York--prioritizing the empowerment of the >neediest residents. Rebecca Rot wrote: BIO-IPR docserver | http://www.grain.org/bio-ipr >________________________________________________________ > >TITLE: Indigenous Peoples Oppose National Geographic & IBM Genetic >Research Project that Seeks Indigenous Peoples DNA >AUTHOR: Indigenous Peoples Council on Biocolonialism >PUBLICATION: Press Release >DATE: 13 April 2005 >URL: http://www.ipcb.org >________________________________________________________ > >Press Release > >Dated: April 13, 2005 - 12:01 am >Released by: Indigenous Peoples Council on Biocolonialism >Contact: Debra Harry (dharry@ipcb.org) or Le'a Kanehe (lkanehe@ipcb.org) >Tel: 001 (775) 574-0248 >Cell: 001 (775) 338-0079 > > >INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OPPOSE NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC & IBM GENETIC RESEARCH PROJECT THAT SEEKS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DNA > >(Nixon, NV) The Indigenous Peoples Council on Biocolonialism (IPCB) is >alarmed at the launching of new global genetic research project that >will focus on the collection of Indigenous peoples DNA. The National >Geographic Society and the IBM Corporation announced the launch of the >Genographic Project today that purports to "help people better >understand their ancient history." The project, funded by the Waitt >Family Foundation, expects to collect 100,000 DNA samples from >Indigenous peoples around the world. The taking of samples will be >coordinated by ten worldwide regional research centers. With centers in >Australia, Brazil, North America and Southeast Asia, Sub-Sahara and >South Africa, this project is certain to affect many Indigenous peoples >around the world. > >The IPCB, an Indigenous organization that addresses issues of biopiracy >began its work in 1993 to oppose the Human Genome Diversity Project >(HGDP), a project so fraught with ethical and scientific problems it >failed to get endorsement from the National Science Foundation, or >UNESCO. Debra Harry, who is Northern Paiute and serves as IPCB's >Executive Director, noting this new project's similarities with the >HGDP, said, "This is a recurrent nightmare. It's essentially the same >project we defeated years ago. Some of the actors are different, but >also some are the same. With the founder of the HGDP serving on this >new project's advisory committee, I can't help but think this is simply >a new reiteration of the HGDP." > >The HGDP faced international opposition by Indigenous peoples who >considered the project an unconscionable attempt by genetic researchers >to pirate their DNA for their own means. That experience has led to >strong advocacy by Indigenous peoples to insure human rights standards >are entrenched in research. Cherryl Smith, a Maori bioethicist from >Aotearoa (New Zealand) said, "Indigenous groups around the world are >much more aware of biopiracy, and our own human and collective rights in >research. In the past ten years, we have developed extensive networks of >Indigenous peoples who are knowledgeable and active in defense of their >rights." > >Le'a Kanehe, a Native Hawaiian who serves as the IPCB's Legal Analyst, >gives the example of the Havasupai Tribe, who filed a lawsuit in 2004 >against Arizona State University for the taking and misuse of their >genetic samples. "Indigenous peoples are holding scientists accountable >for use of their genetic material without prior informed consent, which >is the accepted legal standard." The tribe authorized diabetes research, >but later discovered their samples were used for schizophrenia, >inbreeding and migration theories. > >The Genographic Project press release claims that an international >advisory board will oversee the selection of Indigenous populations for >testing as well as adhering to strict sampling and research protocols. >The HGDP was unable to secure federal or UN support for failure to meet >ethical concerns and standards. The Genographic Project has striking >similarities to the HGDP. Dr. Jonathan Marks, genetic anthropologist and >board member of the IPCB, said, "The HGDP was terminated because of >intractable bioethical issues. Has IBM and National Geographic been able >to remedy those issues? I don't think so." Harry is similarly concerned >that the Genographic Project is an attempt to escape public and legal >scrutiny by going private. > >Kanehe says that "It's interesting how in the past racist scientists, >such as those in the eugenics movement, did studies asserting that we >are biologically inferior to them; and now, they are saying their >research will show that we're all related to each other and share common >origins. Both ventures are based on racist science and produce invalid, >yet damaging conclusions about Indigenous cultures." > >IPCB Chairperson Judy Gobert (Blackfoot), said, "These kinds of projects >have to stretch to claim any tangible benefits to Indigenous peoples. >Somehow, the Genographic Project has led its Indigenous participants to >believe its work will insure their people's cultural preservation. There >is a huge disconnect between genetic research and cultural >preservation." Smith says, "If they really want to help promote >Indigenous peoples cultures there are more productive ways and methods >for doing so." > >Noting the project's goal to map the migratory history of humankind >through DNA, Marla Big Boy, a Lakota attorney on IPCB's board, says, >"Our creation stories and languages carry information about our >genealogy and ancestors. We don't need genetic testing to tell us where >we come from." Big Boy notes with concern that the project proposes to >do studies on ancient DNA. "We will not stand by while our ancestors are >desecrated in the name of scientific discovery." > >The IPCB is calling on all Indigenous peoples, and our friends and >colleagues to join in an international boycott of IBM, Gateway Computers >(the source of the Waitt family fortune), and National Geographic until >it's demand that this project be abandoned are met. Harry said, "We are >prepared to stop projects that treat us as scientific curiosities. We >must act to protect our most vulnerable communities from this unwanted >intrusion. We resisted the HGDP, and we will defeat this proposal as well." > > >For more information contact: > >Indigenous Peoples Council on Biocolonism >ipcb@ipcb.org >http://www.ipcb.org > > >________________________________________________________ >ABOUT BIO-IPR -- BIO-IPR is an irregular listserver produced by GRAIN. >Its purpose is to circulate news and information about recent >developments in the field of intellectual property rights related to >biodiversity and associated knowledge. BIO-IPR is a strictly >non-commercial and educational service for nonprofit organisations and >individuals active in the struggle against IPRs on life. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=sB3Y5zvOyA5Gy8SGdCTKO3CXfSgqyT/Ybfm/8Cf2Fjz1WgwytY+DL9QGnQLdcDE0uSW4bPzSI96Habl57qLzMtrm6rjaIgQOw28+b2eUAcVjCh4V+WnvNfVaFll9wFb7hr4H3k6cwZyHCfVG5dkAd1Kc3H8kIyAcpYaWRUfy3gA= ; Message-ID: <20050419025245.95794.qmail@web14821.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.97.124.242] by web14821.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:52:44 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:52:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Rot To: Peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org In-Reply-To: <20050418204035.47255.qmail@web14827.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Peace-discussion] Albany, NY event Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This was posted by Mark Dunlea who organized the event: 04/17/2005 Calls for troop withdrawal, peace heard By: Shawn Charniga , The Record Photo of Patti and Ralph on front page. Story page A7 ALBANY - The Capital District Green Party held a rally Saturday at Emmanual Baptist Church on State Street, with former presidential candidate Ralph Nader and poetess/musician Patti Smith as its keynote speakers. Also speaking was Alice Green, a state University at Albany professor and criminal justice activist, who decried GOP political machinery, alleged corporate profiteering, the war in Iraq and supported the protection of civil liberties. Also participating were New Paltz Deputy Mayor Rebecca Rotzler and local activist Joe Lombardo. Green spoke against anti-crime laws signed by Republican Gov. George Pataki and compared prisons to plantations using slave labor and portraying them as often filled with the untreated mentally ill and describing state prisons boards as overwhelmingly white. Green also had much to say against the policies of President Bush, also a Republican, namely the invasion of Iraq. Smith, a longtime resident of New York City, is a two-time Grammy nominee, oft-published poet and is described as the godmother of the American "punk rock" movement of the mid-1970s. According to local Green Mark Dunlea, this was her first performance in Albany since 1979. She brought with her two male acoustic guitarists. Her performance, which book-ended Nader's speech, included a reading of her song "Radio Baghdad," a scathing, wounded retort to the U.S. invasion, written from the perspective of an Iraqi mother singing her children to sleep on the eve of the invasion. "Shock and awe, like some crazy TV show, you're robbing the cradle of civilization," Smith read. According to Nader, during last year's presidential election, many voters decided what he called "the least-worst" approach was the best way to elect a candidate who supported their views, but in his opinion, voters should have made more demands of Democratic challenger John Kerry. Other poll-watchers have dubbed this strategy the "anybody but Bush" approach. By any name, it freed Kerry to be more "hawkish" and supportive of corporate interests than Greens would prefer, he believes. "The 'least-worst' approach makes both parties worse every four years," Nader said. He commended organizers for the strong turnout at the rally, which was more than 250 persons and also weighed in on the Iraq war. "This war we were plunged into by Bush and Cheney, it is the first war in my memory that was entered despite the best counsel of many" ex-soldiers and retired diplomats who likely knew best, he said, calling this shift of influence "really extraordinary" and claiming many other government figures opposed the war but were unable to speak publicly. Those in the know, including persons of high standing in military ground forces, anticipated a war against guerillas supported by the Iraqi public and under conditions that are tough for U.S. troops, Nader said. "They knew what they were getting into, but the two draft-dodgers in the White House didn't care," he said to loud applause. Nader said he believes the fact that the nation didn't rise up against the Bush administration is a testament to the power of "about a dozen" who have highjacked the government and set a precedent for future leaders. "We have a moral obligation, a citizen's obligation, to get out of that country and we can do it because of our assets. The way to respect the troops is to get them out of there and back safely," Nader said, naming four assets held by this point of view. The first is that, according to polls, most Americans want the war to end, he said; the second is that, with some encouragement, ex-soldiers who served in Iraq as well as former spies and diplomats would speak to the public. The fact that some returning soldiers are already speaking out was labeled by Nader as the a --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From owen.broadhurst@gmail.com Thu Apr 21 20:21:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 17882 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2005 20:21:47 -0000 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (64.233.162.192) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 21 Apr 2005 20:21:47 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so1081472nzf for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:21:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ivjjVoNN8IxrhHW8dQXMf26/mSE+mOx7XNghRH1He/JJDzxV4Tr/YPkZ0Cqf5E8KxNsOGHpC3aT6WCoQ0NVHQg5Kz6FluC/JXqReyu5d4C9uKoecXZoD1rQ+zhPVu16p4uCB4LcVsQOuT6spHRrAmVa6ynhdc3zSAz4owVGYCSs= Received: by 10.36.61.11 with SMTP id j11mr230394nza; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.58.8 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e192b12050421131420a51f5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:14:38 -0400 From: Owen Broadhurst Reply-To: Owen Broadhurst To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org In-Reply-To: <8e192b120504211311181b69ea@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8e192b120504211311181b69ea@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [Peace-discussion] Fwd: A Recent Orwellian Warmongering Editorial Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Owen Broadhurst Date: Apr 21, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: A Recent Orwellian Warmongering Editorial To: Natlcomaffairs@green.gpus.org "Since the publication of Swing's report, armed military operations have led to the end of war in Kosovo; the disarmament of several paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland and Chechnya; and Liberia's president, Charles Taylor, being forced to resign, which helped clear the way for peace. These results seem to indicate that violence is an effective way to engender nonviolence." Guess which newspaper this was from. C'mon, guess! From chicoverde@cox.net Tue Apr 26 16:53:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 8030 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 16:53:23 -0000 Received: from lakermmtao07.cox.net (68.230.240.32) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 16:53:23 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.101.88.147]) by lakermmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050426165254.NHGW28809.lakermmtao07.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:52:54 -0400 Message-ID: <426E71E1.8080500@cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:52:49 -0400 From: Michael Canney Reply-To: chicoverde@cox.net, chicoverde@cox.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org References: <20050425161842.232C21640E5@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: [Peace-discussion] Re: [GPUS-PAX] PAX Committee action request Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: If the committee decides to take up Steve's proposal to address this and take action, I'll respond on the GPAX list. Fornow I'd like to share my thoughts on this without burdening committee members who would rather see the list used for committee business. Steve has suggested there are really two issues here. One is the position of the GP regarding military violence, which will inevitably involve an ongoing discussion and debate for Greens, especially regarding the issue of self defense. The other is what constitutes an appropriate editorial policy for Green Pages. I'm not yet sure what the appropriate role of the GPAX committee is in either of these issues, but they seem important enought to warrant discussion on this list, and on the GPAX list if the committee agrees, so I'd like to address them, beginning with the Green Pages editorial. Since Green Pages is considered an "official" publication of the Green Party of the U.S., it seems logical to expect its editors to refrain from adopting editorial positions on matters that are not clearly and/consistent with the GP Platform or properly approved GP position papers. One remedy could be for the GP-US and Green Pages to clarify their relationship with a disclaimerexplicitly stating that editorials "reflect only the opinions of the Green Pages editors and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or positions of the Green Party of the United States." This would allow the editorial staff some leeway in expressing opinions on issues that may be controversial. But absent such a disclaimer, whenever Green Pages publishes an opinion that has not passed the test of consensus or a vote, and which could be the subject of considerable controversy (I believe the editorial we're discussing falls into this category), the opinions published should be those of individuals and should not be presented in a way that implies it could be the position of the GP-US. I haven't seen the entire editorial Steve refers to, but from what he has posted here I'd agree that such an opinion should appear in Green Pages only under the byline of its author and not as an editorial reflecting the GP's official position. And if the issue is indeed a subject being debated, among Greens, space for dissenting opinions should be provided. For me, this is a policy issue more than a concern about the "Greenness" of the editorial. I hope we won't get bogged down in mudslinging and personal attacks regarding honest differences of opinion. I would have no problem with Green Pages publishing this editorial as an opinion piece and inviting responses, because I believe such a dialog would benefit the party. I presume that was really the intended purpose of its publication. The problem arises when the article is billed as an "editorial" rather than an opinion piece attributed to an individual Green. On the second point: A commitment to nonviolence seems rather simple until you get into all the nuanced self defense situations that occur in real life. I had always discussed nonviolence from a philosophical and historical perspective until I spent a few months in Nicaragua back in 1986, when the country was under attack from a counterrevolutionary army, trained, armed and directed by the U.S. (popularly known as the "contras"). I spent some time in a war zone on the Atlantic Coast, in a primitive agricultural coop of about 100 families. These hardy folks were living in crude thatched-roof cabins made of rough slabs cut by hand with a chainsaw. The cabin I stayed in was inhabited by seven young volunteers from the MInistry of Agrarian Reform, and since employees of the Sandinista government (even teachers, doctors and nurses) were routinely being murdered by the Contras, there were seven AK-47 rifles and 5,000 rounds of ammunition in the cabin, and the rifles were carried everywhere because one's life depended on it. This village was in an isolated rural area, three hours north of Bluefields by boat and then a couple of hours inland.The Contras were active in the vicinity but never entered the coop, mainly because the village had an armed militia, which patrolled the village a 24 hours a day. Every cabin had a weapon of some sort, though most were aging hunting rifles and not military issue. When the men headed for work in the morning in the fields, they had no choice but to carry their rifle with them Unarmed campesinos in the area routinely suffered theft of their livestock and any other possessions the contras desired. It was common for young girls to be kidnapped by the contras to serve as cooks for the mercenaries, and boys were forcibly conscripted into service as well. Resistance was futile, because the contras could burn down the farmhouse and kill with impunity. Many members of the coop were in fact refugees from areas where it was not safe to live unless they were contra supporters. I tell this story because the situation faced by Nicaraguans under fire has been repeated in many places around the world. I have friends from Guatemala and El Salvador who saw family members and friends raped, tortured and killed by brutal military and paramilitary thugs. I cannot in good conscience engage in a debate about the superiority of nonviolendce with people who face such a reality. While I can respect those who proifess and practice absolute pacifism, renouncing the use of violence even in self defense, this is not the intent of our Green Key Value. Self defense has been universally recognized as a moral, ethical and legal right. If the Nicaraguan contras had attacked the village I stayed in, I would not have hesitated for a second to shoot back and defend the lives of the families there. If I witnessed a woman being raped, I would not hesitate to use violence to stop it. There is no question that violence can and should be used in cases involving self defense. The question that is debated is where rightful self defense ends and offensive violence begins. I always supported the main political goals of Sinn Fein and the Irish Republican Army, and I recognized their roight to defend themselves against violence perpetrated by the British colonialists and their allies in Northern Ireland. But I always opposed the use of violence against civilians, such as the bombings of buses, markets, etc., as immoral and unethical. The ends do not justify the means. But where do we draw the line? If an armed group is committing systematic genocide against a civilian population, it is unreasonable to ask what is the appropriate moral and ethical response? What is acceptable action to take, from a Green perspective? We may agree that sending in the US Marines is not an appropriate response. Supporting a UN intervention may be problematic as well. But is doing nothing an appropriate response, if 1000 people a day are being slaughtered? Exclaiming our adherence to noviolence certainly isn't an adequate response. It was probably a good thing this editorial was published, because the ensuing discussion will be edifying for our party. Peace, Michael Owen Broadhurst wrote: >I second the request of Mr. Greenfield. I'm shocked and apalled. > >Owen R. Broadhurst >GRP (MA) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Greenfield" >To: peace@lists.gp-us.org >Subject: [GPUS-PAX] PAX Committee action request >Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:05:38 -0400 > > > >>Re: [GPUS-PAX] The idea for an Initiative for preserving government >>funded "C...The current edition of Green Pages contains an >>editorial that argues for military action as a superior alternative >>to nonviolent action. There are two significant problems with this, >>one which is within the PAX Committee mission, and the other which >>merits review by PAX but probably is not specifically within our >>mission. >> >>"Committee Description: >>The Peace Action Committee (PAX) of the Green Party of the United >>States (GPUS) exists to facilitate the planning and achievement of >>peace and justice action proposals adopted by GPUS, and to support >>and promote the Party's Anti-War candidates and agenda." >> >>First of all, and this is the part that may not be specifically >>under PAX jurisdiction, is that Green Pages has no policy allowing >>for an editorial. Their mission and policies allow for opinion >>pages with all articles listed as the opinions of the authors and >>not that of the Green Party, but do not allow for an actual >>editorial, which by definition would be a statement of a position >>supported by the Green Party itself (Green Pages being defined as >>the official newsletter of the Green Party of the United States). >>Position statements of GPUS are released through the Media >>Committee and are drafted in a group dynamic. The publication of an >>official editorial by the editorial board of Green Pages conflicts >>directly with the policies of GPUS pertaining to the creation and >>dissemination of official position statements. >> >>The current issue's Opinion section opens with a major piece >>specifically entitled "Editorial" as distinct from all the other >>articles which are attributed solely to their authors. This >>editorial is entitled "The Nonviolence of UN Peacekeepers" and is >>not yet available in the online edition, only the print version. >> >>In this editorial, it is argued that the Green Party must review >>its policy towards non-defensive violent action by outside agencies >>and nations not specifically party to a conflict. The example used >>to justify the call for review is the bombings of Kosovo. Quoting >>the text: "The means by which Swing proposes this strategic >>nonviolence includes blocking and resisting military aggression >>with large-scale acts of nonviolent citizen resitancee and >>noncooperation. Not all Green Party members share Swing's >>interpretation of nonviolence. Since the publication of Swing's >>article, armed military operations have led to the end of the war >>in Kosovo; the disarmament of several paramilitary groups from >>Northern Ireland and Chechnya; and Liberia's president, Charles >>Taylor, being forced to resign, which helped clear the way for >>peace. These results seem to indicate that violence is an effective >>way to engender nonviolence." The editorial goes on to conclude >>"By considering non-violence thus, the Green Party enables itself >>to cultivate a more comprehensive, nuanced platform for keeping >>peace." >> >>Aside from problems of fact in the declaration of the >>accomplishments of military interventions in this editorial, the >>author had already acknowledged that "over a series of >>investigations, the UN has found that at least 20 UN Peacekeepers >>have violently exploited and abused women and children in an >>already pillaged, war-torn African nation. As a result of these >>investigations, the United Nations has placed the UN Peacekeepers >>on the list of 42 armed groups that continue to threaten children >>either sexually or by forcing them into military service." This can >>hardly be reconciled with the claims of the "success" of violence >>in establishing peace. >> >>What is up with this? When did Green Pages adopt an editorial >>policy outside its own policies and procedures ( >>http://www.gp.org/greenpages/edpolicy.php) and choose to include a >>new section under the title "editorial", and why did it not notify >>and or seek the input of the GPUS committee created to address >>these very questions before going to press? >> >>The Green Party had in fact considered the specific question of >>military intervention in Kosovo and had resoundingly rejected it. >>http://www.gp.org/position/kosovo2.html This link is to a position >>paper published during the American/NATO bombings of Kosovo. The >>Green Party of the United States and its member states, as >>witnessed in publications from the states, were resolutely against >>military action by outside agencies as a solution to the >>centuries-old violence in the former Yugoslavia. >> >>I believe the Peace Action Committee must engage in informed >>dialogue regarding the specific editorial in the current edition of >>Green Pages for purposes of issuing a response. I also believe we >>should issue a memo internally to the Coordinating Committee and >>Steering Committee of GPUS raising the question of Green Pages >>assuming new authority to itself that is properly the domain of the >>Media Committee, the Steering Committee, the Coordinating >>Committee, and various standing and ad-hoc committees related to >>various topics. >> >>Steve Greenfield >> >> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From owen.broadhurst@gmail.com Tue Apr 26 21:09:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 27068 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 21:09:34 -0000 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (64.233.162.194) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 21:09:34 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so111256nzf for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:09:03 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V5dkv3tc+bkUenuPMt4VqKvwZY8ZoNl613aDVLMtd+ZWEO8/zBSdGI64mOC3yI7KFRWLwdBhfxWUXYbdpCjQS5bR1PIC+J6OJ7Zmr0m28lqoWCrN5afYLoCh+KzpCubUhuHJxD87CdIhOZZMvKahFcI115E60EuB8T/Zy4lO/iM= Received: by 10.36.25.5 with SMTP id 5mr9528nzy; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.58.8 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e192b120504261409efa039e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:09:03 -0400 From: Owen Broadhurst Reply-To: Owen Broadhurst To: chicoverde@cox.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discussion] Re: [GPUS-PAX] PAX Committee action request Cc: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org In-Reply-To: <426E71E1.8080500@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050425161842.232C21640E5@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <426E71E1.8080500@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Thank you, Michael, for writing. I must agree that, until such point as any plan of action regarding this is specifically placed on a meeting agenda, this list may be the best forum for the discussion of various implications and viewpoints. Presently, some appear convinced that the PAX itself has agreed as a committee that it should address this. On the contrary, concerns were raised, together with the suggestion that PAX might address them. > Steve has suggested there are really two issues here. One is the > position of the GP regarding military violence, which will inevitably > involve an ongoing discussion and debate for Greens, especially > regarding the issue of self defense. The other is what constitutes an > appropriate editorial policy for Green Pages. We must take care, please, to not equate the notion of military violence with what I would term the right to resist. The noted editorial addresses specifically military violence, although the right to resist may have obliquely factored into some portions of it. I have not yet received my copy. Therefore, the substance of the whole editorial is not yet before me. However, this editorial appears mainly focused on how the GPUS should regard such matters as military intervention under the auspices of the UN or like organs. This editorial implied in at least one of its portions that UN intervention in the Kosovo somehow made manifest what said editorial's author, at least, regards as a "peace." Specifically what said author could imagine, of any discussion on UN military intervention, pertinent to goings-on in Ireland's illegally occupied northern counties annexed illegally by the United Kingdom eludes me. My very own understanding of the situation in Ireland's occupied northern counties leads me to the belief that there was no UN role in the progress of any discussions of paramilitary disarmament, but that any such progress is mainly due to the military resistance of IRA command to the persistence of Jim Crow segregation in the North. Said author then, it seems to me, happens to mixing apples and oranges. Armed military operations by various States and international agencies have never, to the best of my knowledge, been able to facilitate any "peace" that has not also facilitated the reinforcement of a political status quo within such areas as they have patrolled. On the contrary, such interventions have universally had geo-political concerns of resource exploitation and market exploitation behind them. > I'm not yet sure what the appropriate role of the GPAX committee is in > either of these issues, but they seem important enought to warrant > discussion on this list, and on the GPAX list if the committee agrees, > so I'd like to address them, beginning with the Green Pages editorial. >=20 > Since Green Pages is considered an "official" publication of the Green > Party of the U.S., it seems logical to expect its editors to refrain > from adopting editorial positions on matters that are not clearly > and/consistent with the GP Platform or properly approved GP position > papers. I concur. We could begin with an insistence that, as those labeled editorials indeed are commonly regarded official viewpoints of a journal fashioning editorials, the word "editorial" ought not be used to describe individual viewpoints that are not endorsed by the journal. > One remedy could be for the GP-US and Green Pages to clarify their > relationship with a disclaimerexplicitly stating that editorials > "reflect only the opinions of the Green Pages editors and do not > necessarily reflect the official policy or positions of the Green Party > of the United States." This would allow the editorial staff some leeway > in expressing opinions on issues that may be controversial. I would rather that the Green Pages offer no such editorial positions at all, as that would in essence transform Green Pages into a body that both drafts policy for the the party, and advocates for such policy. From alsmith@alum.mit.edu Tue Apr 26 22:45:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 939 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 22:45:13 -0000 Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (66.163.168.182) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 22:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tecschange) (smith.aimee@sbcglobal.net@68.248.10.172 with login) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 22:45:09 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c54ab1$24d78ca0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Reply-To: "Aimee Smith" From: "Aimee Smith" To: "Owen Broadhurst" , Cc: References: <20050425161842.232C21640E5@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <426E71E1.8080500@cox.net> <8e192b120504261409efa039e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Peace-discussion] Re: [GPUS-PAX] PAX Committee action request Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:41:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I, too, am very glad to see this issue being raised and will reply here, even as now we have a thread on pax and another on pax-discuss... I certainly second the many concerns raised that several posted that they share, and I also share Owen's understanding of the need to differentiate between external military intervention and self-defense, such as we see in Iraq today. On the one hand, there is the conquest of the US lead coalition, on the other is the people of that country organizing and fighting to protect their families, communities, and society and are well aware of the genocidal mentality of their occupiers after more than a decade of sanctions and two previous large scale invasions. The former is aggressive military conquest waged under the *pretext* of self-defense and democracy building. The latter is *actual* self-defense and the victory of which is the only way actual democracy, rahter than participation as a neo-colony, can flourish in Iraq. The former in its latest form is completely against international law, the resistance is provided for within international law. The point I wish to raise is that, unfortuantely, this editorial is not very out of line with our own national platform that was approved at the convention with apparently less consideration than passage of the PATRIOT Act. In it, there is a lot of emphesis on the role of the UN, that certain features of the UN should be changed, but that the US should send troops to support UN "peacekeeping" operations without a conditionality on restructuring the UN. I would go further myself and caution about the effectiveness for promoting "peace" by UN military even if those changes were effected, due to the way certain societies and perspectives get disproportionate air time and due to other coercive means of empire (military, economic and political) besides a veto in the secutiry council. So, not to muddy the waters, but the problem is a bit broader than Green Pages, who can shelter their "editorial" as being rather consistent with the way the new platform reads. (By the way, some effort was made to have this and other aspects challenged, but the process on platcom leaves a bit to be desired. Maybe PAX can be part of the process next time around.) What can probably be contested without broadening the discussion to the problems of the platform are the claims about "peace" having flowered in Liberia, Kosovo, etc. Personally I think both need to be confronted, but I am not sure how best to go about it the broader discussion that includes taking stock of the ways our platform falls short of the requirements of the 10 key values. Sincerely, Aimee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Broadhurst" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Peace-discussion] Re: [GPUS-PAX] PAX Committee action request Thank you, Michael, for writing. I must agree that, until such point as any plan of action regarding this is specifically placed on a meeting agenda, this list may be the best forum for the discussion of various implications and viewpoints. Presently, some appear convinced that the PAX itself has agreed as a committee that it should address this. On the contrary, concerns were raised, together with the suggestion that PAX might address them. > Steve has suggested there are really two issues here. One is the > position of the GP regarding military violence, which will inevitably > involve an ongoing discussion and debate for Greens, especially > regarding the issue of self defense. The other is what constitutes an > appropriate editorial policy for Green Pages. We must take care, please, to not equate the notion of military violence with what I would term the right to resist. The noted editorial addresses specifically military violence, although the right to resist may have obliquely factored into some portions of it. I have not yet received my copy. Therefore, the substance of the whole editorial is not yet before me. However, this editorial appears mainly focused on how the GPUS should regard such matters as military intervention under the auspices of the UN or like organs. This editorial implied in at least one of its portions that UN intervention in the Kosovo somehow made manifest what said editorial's author, at least, regards as a "peace." Specifically what said author could imagine, of any discussion on UN military intervention, pertinent to goings-on in Ireland's illegally occupied northern counties annexed illegally by the United Kingdom eludes me. My very own understanding of the situation in Ireland's occupied northern counties leads me to the belief that there was no UN role in the progress of any discussions of paramilitary disarmament, but that any such progress is mainly due to the military resistance of IRA command to the persistence of Jim Crow segregation in the North. Said author then, it seems to me, happens to mixing apples and oranges. Armed military operations by various States and international agencies have never, to the best of my knowledge, been able to facilitate any "peace" that has not also facilitated the reinforcement of a political status quo within such areas as they have patrolled. On the contrary, such interventions have universally had geo-political concerns of resource exploitation and market exploitation behind them. > I'm not yet sure what the appropriate role of the GPAX committee is in > either of these issues, but they seem important enought to warrant > discussion on this list, and on the GPAX list if the committee agrees, > so I'd like to address them, beginning with the Green Pages editorial. > > Since Green Pages is considered an "official" publication of the Green > Party of the U.S., it seems logical to expect its editors to refrain > from adopting editorial positions on matters that are not clearly > and/consistent with the GP Platform or properly approved GP position > papers. I concur. We could begin with an insistence that, as those labeled editorials indeed are commonly regarded official viewpoints of a journal fashioning editorials, the word "editorial" ought not be used to describe individual viewpoints that are not endorsed by the journal. > One remedy could be for the GP-US and Green Pages to clarify their > relationship with a disclaimerexplicitly stating that editorials > "reflect only the opinions of the Green Pages editors and do not > necessarily reflect the official policy or positions of the Green Party > of the United States." This would allow the editorial staff some leeway > in expressing opinions on issues that may be controversial. I would rather that the Green Pages offer no such editorial positions at all, as that would in essence transform Green Pages into a body that both drafts policy for the the party, and advocates for such policy. _______________________________________________ Peace-discussion mailing list Peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/peace-discussion From Dunleamark@aol.com Fri May 06 13:33:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 16452 invoked from network); 6 May 2005 13:33:41 -0000 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (64.12.138.204) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 6 May 2005 13:33:41 -0000 Received: from Dunleamark@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id p.128.5c4b3d73 (4539) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 09:33:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Dunleamark@aol.com Message-ID: <128.5c4b3d73.2faccc13@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:33:07 EDT To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6811 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Building Diversity within the Peace movement (was peace conference) Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: From Owen: Folks, I personally do not object to the conference, and I do not object to cooperating where we can with UfPJ. Yet, our participation in the broader anti-war movement ought not prompt us to silence valid criticism- and one such valid criticism of this anti-war movement is how the voices of the very people this nation is destroying are marginalized and made invisible within this movement. Forgive me for saying this - I hope I'm not perceived as "race-baiting" when I say that I see too many white faces at the helm of it. Sincerely yours, Owen R. Broadhurst ------------------------- I think one of the most contentious issues within the peace movements, and movements at large, are the role of diversity, including race and people of color, in organizing for social change. A lot of my own theories about organizing were learned as a organizer in the late 70s for ACORN. ACORN grew out of a combination of Saul Alinsky, the "patron saint" of community organizing in America and the old Welfare RIghts Organization. Alinsky-style community organizing groups (e.g., IAF) do a far better job of building a broad-based multi-racial movement than do most leftist / progressive / peace groups. Largely it is because they want to organize low-income people and people of color are a major portion of low-income people (though actually a minority). They bring people of color into their groups by going door to door five hours a day in communities of color and organizing the neighborhood. Traditional community organizers would have real problems with the approach that I see used by many peace groups. Too often the idea about diversity is repeated discussions at meetings about the lack of diversity and the solution too often ends up being making sure that half of the speakers at the rallies are people of color, rather than a commitment to do real one on one outreach in communities of color. So you end up have four or five people of color speaking to a crowd that is overwhelmingly white. Your speakers don't really reflect the constituencies you have mobilized. The other thing that you are taught as a community organizer is to empower and lift up the people who manage to show up the meeting. Never, ever spend time at a meeting, especially early on, moaning and groaning about who hasn't shown up. Figure out how to take the four people who showed up and turn it into 12 for the next meeting. And then 40 at the next. The peace movement in my experience often does the opposite, which is very disempowering. Despite the incredible success of traditional community organizing groups in building a multi-racial coalition, their approach to race often generates controversy among traditional "progressives". For instance, the rule in ACORN is that you are always to organize a white neighborhood first, since African-Americans will generally be open to joining with a white group but white working class folks often initially balk at joining a group perceived to be primarily black. But what ACORN does is initiate an organizing drive in a black neighborhood during the middle of the organizing drive in the first white neighborhood, so that a few weeks after the first white neighborhood is organized, a black neigjhborhood has their first meeting, and having an integrated coalition is a fact on the ground, no need to discuss it. That is how ACORN has been able to build strong multiracial groups in some of the most racist states in the country. Some other rules of traditional community organizing is that majorities win power, not minorities. Community organizers focus on how to make their group seem like they are the majority. They take a hard-edged approach to political power, They want to win real changes, not make political points. (They also take the position that bulding the organization is more important than winning the particular short-term issue, another controversial position). To the extent that any movement is perceived about primarily winning power for minorities or marginalized, it will have a very difficult time succeeding. Probably the big exception in America was the civil rights movement - and they were careful to put ministers and doctors and nicely dressed people on the front lines in front of the cameras, and were able to make a moral statement that individuals should not be denied their basic rights as human beings. And one would still argue that real power transformation did not come from the civil rights movement. What the peace movement - and the Greens - need to ask, is what we are trying to accomplish? Is the important thing to stop the war in Iraq? To stop imperialism? To make a statement of opposition? To education people about racism? I think one of the reasons the peace movement is often so splintered in our day to day work (easier to mobilize around a multi-issue rally) is that different people have very different agendas and priorities, and we tend to spend very little time acknowledging what those differences are. "We want peace" means different things to different people. One of the problems we face in stopping the war is that the Republicans hold the power in Washington. (Yes, it is corporate America but Republicans get to cast the vote at the moment). Most politicians are primarily concerned about getting re-elected - and maintaining their position of privilege. To the extent that they view the peace movement as people who always vote against them or have marginal power, then they feel free to ignore the peace movement since they see it as no threat to their status. And they and their cronies in the corporate media do their best to further marginalize the peace demonstraters - they undercount the turnout, the take the photos of the most flamboyant demonstrators that look the most different from the people watching the event, they focus on any arrests or scuffling with the police, the initial reports are always that the police acted with incredible restraint in dealing with difficult protestors. That is why I am one of those people who feel that getting more soccers moms involved (or the people at the bowling allies and fire houses) - middle class suburban residents, working families - is critical to the success of the peace movement if the priority is to end the war in Iraq. Now I have been arguing these points within the peace movement for thirty years and I know there are many contrary and/or nuanced perspectives, but I thought I would throw out my two cents. Greenly Mark P.S. Our local peace community does spend a lot of time bemoaning the lack of participation of people of color. I point out that the group I work for, the Hunger Action Network, annually has one of the largest multi-racial mobilizations at the State Capitol around issues like hunger, welfare, jobs, health care etc. Well over half of the 300 plus people at the day long event are people of color. I have repeatedly asked the peace movement to at least show up for the rally. Invariably one or several of our speakers connects the war in Iraq to the lack of funding for our priorities and the crowd roars their approval The peace movement, despite similar rhetoric at their own rallies, does not show up at this event (though Joe Lombardo always shows up with his sound system and does a few songs). And this a true throughout NYS. The one exception has been some of the peace organizing in NYC, with Leslie Cagan having played a major role in this. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From andrei112@msn.com Fri May 06 22:40:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 20704 invoked from network); 6 May 2005 22:40:56 -0000 Received: from omc1-s29.bay6.hotmail.com (65.54.248.231) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 6 May 2005 22:40:56 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.96]) by omc1-s29.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 6 May 2005 15:40:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:40:54 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.206 by BAY106-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:40:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.206] X-Originating-Email: [andrei112@msn.com] X-Sender: andrei112@msn.com From: "D Alexander Murville" To: References: <20050506190702.5552.29130.Mailman@petra-k.cagreens.org> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 18:42:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 6 May 2005 18:42:09 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 22:40:54.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[A95CAF90:01C5528C] Return-Path: andrei112@msn.com X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Re: Peace-discussion digest, Vol 1 #12 - 1 msg Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dear Mark: You made some VERY GOOD insightful comments. "Thats why I am one of those people who feel that getting more soccers = moms=20 involved (or the people at the bowling allies and fire houses) - middle = class=20 suburban residents, working families - is critical to the success of the = peace=20 movement if the priority is to end the war in Iraq." Since the beginning of UPFJ I recommended repeatedly to Leslie Cagan and = the others that we develop specific outreach strategies at the = neighborhood level to involve these demographic groups in our antiwar = activities at until I sounded like a broken record. Dean Original Message -----=20 From: = peace-discussion-request@lists.gp-us.org=20 To: = peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org= =20 Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: Peace-discussion digest, Vol 1 #12 - 1 msg Send Peace-discussion mailing list submissions to = peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org= To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit = http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/peace-discussion or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to = peace-discussion-request@lists.gp-us.org You can reach the person managing the list at = peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Peace-discussion digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Building Diversity within the Peace movement (was peace = conference) (Dunleamark@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Dunleamark@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:33:07 EDT To: = peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org= Subject: [Peace-discussion] Building Diversity within the Peace = movement (was peace conference) From Owen: Folks, I personally do not object to the conference, and I do not object to=20 cooperating where we can with UfPJ. Yet, our participation in the = broader anti-war=20 movement ought not prompt us to silence valid criticism- and one such = valid=20 criticism of this anti-war movement is how the voices of the very = people this=20 nation is destroying are marginalized and made invisible within this = movement.=20 Forgive me for saying this - I hope I'm not perceived as = "race-baiting" when I say=20 that I see too many white faces at the helm of it. Sincerely yours, Owen R. Broadhurst ------------------------- I think one of the most contentious issues within the peace movements, = and=20 movements at large, are the role of diversity, including race and = people of=20 color, in organizing for social change. A lot of my own theories about organizing were learned as a organizer = in the=20 late 70s for ACORN. ACORN grew out of a combination of Saul Alinsky, = the=20 "patron saint" of community organizing in America and the old Welfare = RIghts=20 Organization. Alinsky-style community organizing groups (e.g., IAF) do a far better = job of=20 building a broad-based multi-racial movement than do most leftist /=20 progressive / peace groups. Largely it is because they want to = organize low-income=20 people and people of color are a major portion of low-income people = (though=20 actually a minority). They bring people of color into their groups by = going door to=20 door five hours a day in communities of color and organizing the = neighborhood.=20 Traditional community organizers would have real problems with the = approach=20 that I see used by many peace groups. Too often the idea about = diversity is=20 repeated discussions at meetings about the lack of diversity and the = solution too=20 often ends up being making sure that half of the speakers at the = rallies are=20 people of color, rather than a commitment to do real one on one = outreach in=20 communities of color. So you end up have four or five people of color = speaking=20 to a crowd that is overwhelmingly white. Your speakers don't really = reflect the=20 constituencies you have mobilized. The other thing that you are taught as a community organizer is to = empower=20 and lift up the people who manage to show up the meeting. Never, ever = spend time=20 at a meeting, especially early on, moaning and groaning about who = hasn't=20 shown up. Figure out how to take the four people who showed up and = turn it into 12=20 for the next meeting. And then 40 at the next. The peace movement in = my=20 experience often does the opposite, which is very disempowering. Despite the incredible success of traditional community organizing = groups in=20 building a multi-racial coalition, their approach to race often = generates=20 controversy among traditional "progressives". For instance, the rule = in ACORN is=20 that you are always to organize a white neighborhood first, since=20 African-Americans will generally be open to joining with a white group = but white working=20 class folks often initially balk at joining a group perceived to be = primarily=20 black. But what ACORN does is initiate an organizing drive in a black=20 neighborhood during the middle of the organizing drive in the first = white neighborhood,=20 so that a few weeks after the first white neighborhood is organized, a = black=20 neigjhborhood has their first meeting, and having an integrated = coalition is a=20 fact on the ground, no need to discuss it. That is how ACORN has been = able to=20 build strong multiracial groups in some of the most racist states in = the=20 country. Some other rules of traditional community organizing is that = majorities win=20 power, not minorities. Community organizers focus on how to make their = group=20 seem like they are the majority. They take a hard-edged approach to = political=20 power, They want to win real changes, not make political points. (They = also take=20 the position that bulding the organization is more important than = winning the=20 particular short-term issue, another controversial position). To the extent that any movement is perceived about primarily winning = power=20 for minorities or marginalized, it will have a very difficult time = succeeding.=20 Probably the big exception in America was the civil rights movement - = and they=20 were careful to put ministers and doctors and nicely dressed people on = the=20 front lines in front of the cameras, and were able to make a moral = statement that=20 individuals should not be denied their basic rights as human beings. = And one=20 would still argue that real power transformation did not come from the = civil=20 rights movement. What the peace movement - and the Greens - need to ask, is what we are = trying=20 to accomplish? Is the important thing to stop the war in Iraq? To stop = imperialism? To make a statement of opposition? To education people = about racism? I think one of the reasons the peace movement is often so splintered = in our=20 day to day work (easier to mobilize around a multi-issue rally) is = that=20 different people have very different agendas and priorities, and we = tend to spend=20 very little time acknowledging what those differences are. "We want = peace" means=20 different things to different people. One of the problems we face in stopping the war is that the = Republicans hold=20 the power in Washington. (Yes, it is corporate America but Republicans = get to=20 cast the vote at the moment). Most politicians are primarily concerned = about=20 getting re-elected - and maintaining their position of privilege. To = the extent=20 that they view the peace movement as people who always vote against = them or=20 have marginal power, then they feel free to ignore the peace movement = since=20 they see it as no threat to their status.=20 And they and their cronies in the corporate media do their best to = further=20 marginalize the peace demonstraters - they undercount the turnout, the = take the=20 photos of the most flamboyant demonstrators that look the most = different from=20 the people watching the event, they focus on any arrests or scuffling = with the=20 police, the initial reports are always that the police acted with = incredible=20 restraint in dealing with difficult protestors.=20 That is why I am one of those people who feel that getting more = soccers moms=20 involved (or the people at the bowling allies and fire houses) - = middle class=20 suburban residents, working families - is critical to the success of = the peace=20 movement if the priority is to end the war in Iraq. Now I have been arguing these points within the peace movement for = thirty=20 years and I know there are many contrary and/or nuanced perspectives, = but I=20 thought I would throw out my two cents. Greenly Mark P.S. Our local peace community does spend a lot of time bemoaning the = lack of=20 participation of people of color. I point out that the group I work = for, the=20 Hunger Action Network, annually has one of the largest multi-racial=20 mobilizations at the State Capitol around issues like hunger, welfare, = jobs, health care=20 etc. Well over half of the 300 plus people at the day long event are = people=20 of color. I have repeatedly asked the peace movement to at least show = up for=20 the rally. Invariably one or several of our speakers connects the war = in Iraq to=20 the lack of funding for our priorities and the crowd roars their = approval The=20 peace movement, despite similar rhetoric at their own rallies, does = not show=20 up at this event (though Joe Lombardo always shows up with his sound = system=20 and does a few songs). And this a true throughout NYS. The one = exception has=20 been some of the peace organizing in NYC, with Leslie Cagan having = played a major=20 role in this. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Peace-discussion mailing list = Peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org= = http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/peace-discussion End of Peace-discussion Digest --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From adog2@earthlink.net Sun May 08 03:29:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 32052 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 03:29:12 -0000 Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (209.86.89.64) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 8 May 2005 03:29:12 -0000 Received: from [63.13.234.95] (helo=computer) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUcTd-0006zW-5g; Sat, 07 May 2005 23:29:09 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=Typ+o0zAnx0yREsvreEnwb2hyeTkvva2eM5+SPYmRJtbe3q1JEgLL27PFXsT75uD; Message-ID: <003301c5537e$66cb2060$0a0110ac@computer> From: "Tim Casebolt" To: "PAX-discussion" , , Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 20:31:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ELNK-Trace: 5b0a68cd7db84fa074bf435c0eb9d47874241ab66785ff6d2785f968f7d4e40fb6b128c074ec5a6e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 63.13.234.95 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] To Our Mothers Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Mother's Day Proclamation - 1870 by Julia Ward Howe=20 Arise then...women of this day! Arise, all women who have hearts! Whether your baptism be of water or of tears! Say firmly: "We will not have questions answered by irrelevant agencies, Our husbands will not come to us, reeking with carnage, For caresses and applause. Our sons shall not be taken from us to unlearn All that we have been able to teach them of charity, mercy and patience. We, the women of one country, Will be too tender of those of another country To allow our sons to be trained to injure theirs." From the voice of a devastated Earth a voice goes up with Our own. It says: "Disarm! Disarm! The sword of murder is not the balance of justice." Blood does not wipe our dishonor, Nor violence indicate possession. As men have often forsaken the plough and the anvil At the summons of war, Let women now leave all that may be left of home For a great and earnest day of counsel. Let them meet first, as women, to bewail and commemorate the dead. Let them solemnly take counsel with each other as to the means Whereby the great human family can live in peace... Each bearing after his own time the sacred impress, not of Caesar, But of God - In the name of womanhood and humanity, I earnestly ask That a general congress of women without limit of nationality, May be appointed and held at someplace deemed most convenient And the earliest period consistent with its objects, To promote the alliance of the different nationalities, The amicable settlement of international questions, The great and general interests of peace.=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Julia Ward Howe also tried to establish a Mother's Day for Peace in = America=20 a.. Howe became well-known during and after the American Civil War as = the author of the words to the "Battle Hymn of the Republic," but was = horrified by the carnage of the Civil War and the Franco-Prussian War=20 b.. in 1870, she tried to issue a manifesto for peace at international = peace conferences in London and Paris (it was much like the later = Mother's Day Peace Proclamation http://womenshistory.about.com/od/mothersday/a/jwh.htm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From alsmith@alum.mit.edu Sun May 08 04:46:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 2076 invoked from network); 8 May 2005 04:46:04 -0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (66.163.168.185) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 8 May 2005 04:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tecschange) (smith.aimee@sbcglobal.net@68.248.10.172 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2005 04:46:00 -0000 Message-ID: <007401c55388$5e470ee0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Reply-To: "Aimee Smith" From: "Aimee Smith" To: References: <20050506234717.18124.qmail@web14823.mail.yahoo.com> <002801c5529a$5cddad00$6401a8c0@D6LB1711> <002701c552b5$daf6e920$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <427CBFC4.5040407@cox.net> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:42:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] one extra point on "Nano" Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The "hot topic" in materials science these days is "nano." If your proposal doesn't say "nano" then you likely won't get funded. People in labs have been working full tilt to synthesize novel nanoparticles, nanostructures, etc. in the ever present race to make even smaller and "cooler" gadgets - even though there is no known application or "need" for such technology. Meanwhile, health studies are, as usual, following late on the heels of the "ground-breaking" lab research. Same was true for xray's, uranium, metal-organo-compounds such as tetra-ehtyl lead, etc. The "nano" point about DU material dispersion during oxidation is that for particles much smaller than a micron, they are below the scale=20 that our immune systems can detect, thus gets free access to the=20 insides of cells - even closer poximity than micron sized dust would=20 get in the lungs. Anyhow, this may not be very interesting to others, but to me, the fact = that "nano" is being pushed and only after are we learning of its power to = harm, it is yet another clear indication of why the fundamental way our = society worships technology and "control" of our environment is connected to its genocidal and imperialistic impulses. How many times do we=20 develop and proliferate a new technology, kill or harm huge numbers of=20 people and then after the fact say, "oops, we didn't know?" Tetra-ethyl = lead (in leaded gasoline), asbestos (got my dad), uranium mining, = silicone=20 implants, sacharine, pesticides/herbacides in agriculture, any number of = pharmeceudicals, and now we have GMO's being spread everywhere and=20 forced down other countries' throats, and the next big thing will be = "nano"=20 tech... all part of the ecocidal, genocidal, settler mentality of our = European=20 based society. The following article by Russell Means speaks to this failing of our culture and what we as greens should really be all about transforming, even as we must continue to be sensitive to the western baggage even the green movement has, as its historical roots are from "the West" as = well. http://www.russellmeans.com/speech.html Sincerely, Aimee =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Canney=20 To: peace@gp-us.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [GPUS-PAX] DU Nano Particles pose major health hazard [BAN DU = WEAPONS] DU Nano Particles pose major health hazard http://www.emfacts.com/weblog/?p=3D38 One way Greens could provide leadership in the anti-war movement is to = work with others to propose legislation that would Ban Depleted Uranium = and call for those countries deploying these weapons to be held = responsible for a comprehensive cleanup, as well as for medical = treatment of all who suffer its effects. Such legislation may have = little chance of passage under a Republican-controlled Congress, but it = would articulate our position on nonviolence in a concrete way. = Internationally. Green support for a resolution banning DU in the Euro = Parliament and the UN would be a winner as well.=20 It's a no-brainer that Greens are opposed to the use of DU weapons, = but what can we do about stopping their use and getting assistance for = the victims of this criminally unethical technology? It is a narrow = focus, but a Green "BAN DU WEAPONS" campaign would provide Greens with = an opportunity to discuss many other issues related to US military = policy.=20 Michael --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Fri May 13 14:40:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 13760 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 14:40:27 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (204.127.202.64) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 13 May 2005 14:40:27 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005051314395801600r4tr7e>; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:39:58 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:41:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20050513034818.96590.qmail@web14826.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Peace-discussion] RE: [GPUS-PAX] (no subject) Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I mentioned last night on the conference call that I would begin updating the list with information on counter-recruitment activities in the Puget Sound area. In addition to this piece, I will find and forward another compilation of earlier articles on this particular struggle that will give you a fuller sense of how this unfolded. David -----Original Message----- From: peace-admin@lists.gp-us.org [mailto:peace-admin@lists.gp-us.org]On Behalf Of Rebecca Rot Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:48 PM To: peace@lists.gp-us.org Subject: Re: [GPUS-PAX] (no subject) As a Co-chair I would be more than happy to, unless one of our Capitol (NY) district members would prefer to take the honor. Rebecca D Alexander Murville wrote: TO: All I think that the North East Antiwar Conference will be a historic opportunity for GPAX to emphasize the need for development of a multidimensional grassroots antiwar strategy. We should try to get someone to read a brief statement at the conference of why GPAX we endorsed it etc....etc...and take a leadership position there. Thanks, Dean ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! 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Check email on your mobile phone. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Fri May 13 14:46:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 14134 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 14:46:33 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (204.127.202.55) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 13 May 2005 14:46:33 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005051314460301100jqeh5e>; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:46:04 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:48:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Peace-discussion] FW: [SUS] [Fwd: [counter-recruitment] Foss High activists win BIG! -report and thanks from Clara, sophomore at Foss] Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Thanks to Doug Nielson of Stand Up Seattle for compiling this information. Included below: 1. Foss victory report, May 6 2. Foss solidarity appeal (sent out before, included here for background), May 4 ------------------------------ FOSS HIGH STUDENTS WIN VICTORY FOR FREE SPEECH AND COUNTER-RECRUITMENT MOVEMENT Thanks to everyone who called in to support us May 6, 2005 By Clara Lightner (sophomore at Foss High School, Tacoma, WA) I'm happy to announce that Principal Sharon Schauss has finally agreed to our proposals for Students Against the Draft and War. This victory for free speech was the result of the tremendous student support we recieved in Foss and also the phone calls to my administrators from thousands of supporters from around the country and world. Today I had a meeting with Principal Schauss and informed her of SADW's three key demands: 1. The right to find out two weeks before the military recruiters are scheduled to come to our school. We also want the right to put up a table next to the recruiters with alternative points of view and information. 2. The right to have weekly meetings in the school in order to build our student club. 3. Permission for having the meeting next Tuesday, May10, that we had planned for May 5, including the guest speaker, Ty Moore, of Minneapolis, Minnesota. Principal Schauss has agreed to the first two demands. She will also agree to the third one after she has seen the video we are going to show: Military Myths, which I plan to bring to her on Monday. She will also talk to the school board and go through the necessary procedures to have guest speaker Ty Moore come in. I'd also like to describe how May 5th went. That morning, before school, I went into Principal Schauss's office with a member of Socialist Alternative, Jessica Pruitt, who has been helping out with the campaign. We asked Principal Schauss whether or not she was allowing the meeting to happen that afternoon. Mrs. Schauss, of course, told us we could not hold the meeting because we had not filled out all the proper paperwork and did not have $1 million in insurance. Although we had a chartered student club willing to sponsor us, she still would not let us hold a meeting. This is a hypocritical double standard because other student clubs don't need to fill out paper work or get Principal Schauss's approval to bring guests into our school. After not letting us explain ourselves for most of the meeting, Principal Schauss threw us out of her office. Jessica was attempting to explain that she was not clear on the procedure when Principal Schauss yelled at us to exit the office. We immediately took that as another infringement on our rights as students. That afternoon, we called a press conference. I spread the news through the entire school and passed out fliers urging students to meet in front of the school for a protest/press conference. A couple newspapers showed up, Tacoma News Tribune and the Tacoma Weekly. I was interviewed and gave a speech to the students who were there. The speech went well, except for one point where the JROTC who had been watching attempted to disrupt by laughing loudly. I, of course, thanked them for being so mature and went on speaking. Also, Principal Schauss attempted to break up the press conference in the middle by making an announcement over the intercom for everyone to leave. She was ignored and the meeting went on very well. We had 40 students sign up for our e-mail list and met students who were very interested in becoming very involved. We now have nearly 100 students signed up on the list. This morning, I found a large article about the event in the Tacoma News Tribune. It made the front cover of the local news section with a large picture of myself giving my speech. (It can be found at http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/education/story/4839747p-4444990c.html) I've also had a few confrontations with JROTC students who were quite angry with me, but I was able to explain myself. I found that most of the JROTC students are very open-minded and considerate. We are not against the JROTC students. We understand that most young people join the military because they don't see any decent jobs or educational opportunities out there. We are against people being signed up to die for a war about oil and empire. We are fighting for more money for jobs and education so young people can chose an alternative to the military. Hopefully, we will make peace with them and will be able to have meetings in the future with no problem. We are also offering the JROTC students the opportunity to come to any of our meetings to watch or speak if they request it. So, I'd like to thank everyone who called in and e-mailed Principal Sharon Schauss and Superintendent James Shoemake. Even the steelworkers national union office called me to guarantee 100 calls to my principal from their members, and more support if we needed it. The entire school was aware that they had been receiving hundreds of phone calls each day from all over the world. I'd like to thank member of the local coalition for their help. I'd like to give a special thanks to Socialist Alternative, the organization I joined recently for giving me help, support, advice, and all the resources I needed. It all went so well that there is no more need to call or e-mail. We will also update everyone on how next Tuesday goes. Thank you all again for calling and supporting us. This has been a major success for our school and for Students Against the Draft and War. Clara Lightner, sophomore at Foss High School, Tacoma, WA Students Against the Draft and War --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Fri May 13 15:04:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 14978 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 15:04:04 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (204.127.202.64) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 13 May 2005 15:04:04 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005051315033401600qtuche>; Fri, 13 May 2005 15:03:34 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: "GPAX-Discussion" Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:05:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Left Hook interview with Clara Lighter Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://www.lefthook.org/Interviews/AlamLightner051305.html This is an interview with Clara Lighter, the young woman (sophomore) who led the Foss High School (Tacoma, WA) counter-recruitment battle I have just forwarded information about, conducted by M. Junaid Alam of Left Hook, www.lefthook.org. Left Hook is a radical youth website well worth following. David From rebelrot@yahoo.com Fri May 13 15:33:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 16351 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 15:33:58 -0000 Received: from web14823.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.225.178) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 13 May 2005 15:33:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 77850 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2005 15:33:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ev2OIWAnR36XYipA0yLidaBS/zWUoEFLg1DyOF2CFNLJIowuwXai1x+zbd4V+ZokFSPdHseT2JfWseNtaiQ6RZrAwVJvzE29JYB0yvjij1hk85/uzCzF6J0/adso6FuNFWlPEQK2ACFaTgDw6PHV14EIMTAHynOwen1azV5QY9k= ; Message-ID: <20050513153357.77848.qmail@web14823.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.75.66.11] by web14823.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:33:57 PDT Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Rot Subject: Re: [Peace-discussion] FW: [SUS] [Fwd: [counter-recruitment] Foss High activists win BIG! -report and thanks from Clara, sophomore at Foss] To: David McDonald , peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Our local counter-miliary group is being interviewed by local tv news today (two greens) due to our diligent work with our school district, we go by the name Alternatives to Military. Go Greens! Rebecca David McDonald wrote: Thanks to Doug Nielson of Stand Up Seattle for compiling this information. Included below: 1. Foss victory report, May 6 2. Foss solidarity appeal (sent out before, included here for background), May 4 ------------------------------ FOSS HIGH STUDENTS WIN VICTORY FOR FREE SPEECH AND COUNTER-RECRUITMENT MOVEMENT Thanks to everyone who called in to support us May 6, 2005 By Clara Lightner (sophomore at Foss High School, Tacoma, WA) I'm happy to announce that Principal Sharon Schauss has finally agreed to our proposals for Students Against the Draft and War. This victory for free speech was the result of the tremendous student support we recieved in Foss and also the phone calls to my administrators from thousands of supporters from around the country and world. Today I had a meeting with Principal Schauss and informed her of SADW's three key demands: 1. The right to find out two weeks before the military recruiters are scheduled to come to our school. We also want the right to put up a table next to the recruiters with alternative points of view and information. 2. The right to have weekly meetings in the school in order to build our student club. 3. Permission for having the meeting next Tuesday, May10, that we had planned for May 5, including the guest speaker, Ty Moore, of Minneapolis, Minnesota. Principal Schauss has agreed to the first two demands. She will also agree to the third one after she has seen the video we are going to show: Military Myths, which I plan to bring to her on Monday. She will also talk to the school board and go through the necessary procedures to have guest speaker Ty Moore come in. I'd also like to describe how May 5th went. That morning, before school, I went into Principal Schauss's office with a member of Socialist Alternative, Jessica Pruitt, who has been helping out with the campaign. We asked Principal Schauss whether or not she was allowing the meeting to happen that afternoon. Mrs. Schauss, of course, told us we could not hold the meeting because we had not filled out all the proper paperwork and did not have $1 million in insurance. Although we had a chartered student club willing to sponsor us, she still would not let us hold a meeting. This is a hypocritical double standard because other student clubs don't need to fill out paper work or get Principal Schauss's approval to bring guests into our school. After not letting us explain ourselves for most of the meeting, Principal Schauss threw us out of her office. Jessica was attempting to explain that she was not clear on the procedure when Principal Schauss yelled at us to exit the office. We immediately took that as another infringement on our rights as students. That afternoon, we called a press conference. I spread the news through the entire school and passed out fliers urging students to meet in front of the school for a protest/press conference. A couple newspapers showed up, Tacoma News Tribune and the Tacoma Weekly. I was interviewed and gave a speech to the students who were there. The speech went well, except for one point where the JROTC who had been watching attempted to disrupt by laughing loudly. I, of course, thanked them for being so mature and went on speaking. Also, Principal Schauss attempted to break up the press conference in the middle by making an announcement over the intercom for everyone to leave. She was ignored and the meeting went on very well. We had 40 students sign up for our e-mail list and met students who were very interested in becoming very involved. We now have nearly 100 students signed up on the list. This morning, I found a large article about the event in the Tacoma News Tribune. It made the front cover of the local news section with a large picture of myself giving my speech. (It can be found at http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/education/story/4839747p-4444990c.html) I've also had a few confrontations with JROTC students who were quite angry with me, but I was able to explain myself. I found that most of the JROTC students are very open-minded and considerate. We are not against the JROTC students. We understand that most young people join the military because they don't see any decent jobs or educational opportunities out there. We are against people being signed up to die for a war about oil and empire. We are fighting for more money for jobs and education so young people can chose an alternative to the military. Hopefully, we will make peace with them and will be able to have meetings in the future with no problem. We are also offering the JROTC students the opportunity to come to any of our meetings to watch or speak if they request it. So, I'd like to thank everyone who called in and e-mailed Principal Sharon Schauss and Superintendent James Shoemake. Even the steelworkers national union office called me to guarantee 100 calls to my principal from their members, and more support if we needed it. The entire school was aware that they had been receiving hundreds of phone calls each day from all over the world. I'd like to thank member of the local coalition for their help. I'd like to give a special thanks to Socialist Alternative, the organization I joined recently for giving me help, support, advice, and all the resources I needed. It all went so well that there is no more need to call or e-mail. We will also update everyone on how next Tuesday goes. Thank you all again for calling and supporting us. This has been a major success for our school and for Students Against the Draft and War. Clara Lightner, sophomore at Foss High School, Tacoma, WA Students Against the Draft and War --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Peace-discussion mailing list Peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/peace-discussion --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Tue May 17 18:22:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 21420 invoked from network); 17 May 2005 18:22:06 -0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (204.127.198.39) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 17 May 2005 18:22:06 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050517182138015007k6dle>; Tue, 17 May 2005 18:21:38 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: "GPAX-Discussion" Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:19:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Fw: [Paaffiliates] Portland Maine and military recruiting in schools Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Field" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:10 AM Subject: [Paaffiliates] Portland Maine and military recruiting in schools > Friends, > Attached and pasted below is an article about some positive changes in the > Portland public schools' policy for military recruiting. Jack Bussell and > our friends at the Maine chpt of Veterans for Peace have been hard at work > on this. > For people receiving this message locally-- this is good opportunity for > letters to the editor. Write me if you want talking points. > Best, > > Greg F > > http://www.theforecaster.net/story.php?storyid=2563 > > Schools to get tougher on military recruitment policies > By Lori Eschholz > PORTLAND – Parents of public school students will soon be required to > decide whether they want their children’s names released to military > recruiters. > > The School Committee’s Policy Committee last week directed the > superintendent of schools to include the question on students’ emergency > cards. The cards are one of the only pieces of paperwork that go home with > students at the beginning of the year that are required to be returned. > > The change comes after members of Maine Veterans for Peace and other > activist groups questioned the effectiveness of the School Department’s > current policy. Under that policy, a separate flier is sent home asking > parents to “opt out” if they do not want their child’s information > released; they are not required to return the form. > > The existing policy was adopted last year after the School Committee > initially passed a policy that would have required parents to “opt in” if > they wanted their children’s information released to recruiters. But > administrators, acting on legal advice, later revised the form to require > parents to “opt out” if they did not want the information released. > > School Department attorneys advised that the opt-in policy would have > violated a provision in the federal No Child Left Behind Act and that by > adopting it the district could face the loss of federal funding. The act > says that school districts must provide recruiters with students’ names, > addresses and telephone numbers unless parents say in writing that they > don’t want the information released. > > Jack Bussell, a retired Army veteran and member of Maine Veterans for > Peace, brought the issue up again this year, questioning the effectiveness > of the policy adopted last year. Only 2 percent of parents returned the > opt-out form this year, a number he said doesn’t accurately represent how > parents feel about the issue. > > So much paperwork goes home at the beginning of the year that the opt-out > form gets lost in the shuffle, he said. > > At a Policy Committee meeting May 4, Bussell also questioned the School > Department’s lack of a policy about military recruiters’ access to the > schools. He said he had heard “anecdotal evidence” that recruiters were > allowed to set up tables in the cafeteria and were allowed unlimited > visits to the schools. > > Bussell said he wanted to make sure students were getting “the full > picture” about the military and that information disseminated by > recruiters was balanced by information from groups such as Veterans for > Peace. He asked permission to put a brochure called “Do you know enough to > enlist?” in the schools alongside recruitment brochures. > > The Policy Committee agreed to his suggestion that Portland adopt a > written policy modeled on policies from Santa Cruz, Calif., and Madison, > Wis., that would limit the number of days that recruiters were allowed in > the schools. Bussell suggested that number should be three. > > “If I had a choice I would tell them not to be at the schools at all. It’s > a place of learning, not a place of war,” Policy Committee Chairman > Stephen Spring said. > > The policy would be reviewed by the department’s lawyers after it is > completed. > > Lori Eschholz can be reached at leschholz@theforecaster.net. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Paaffiliates mailing list > Paaffiliates@xmail.peace-action.org > http://xmail.peace-action.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/paaffiliates > > From andrei112@msn.com Tue May 17 23:07:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 9295 invoked from network); 17 May 2005 23:07:56 -0000 Received: from omc2-s41.bay6.hotmail.com (65.54.249.51) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 17 May 2005 23:07:56 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.93]) by omc2-s41.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 17 May 2005 16:07:29 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 May 2005 16:07:28 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.204 by BAY106-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 17 May 2005 23:07:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.204] X-Originating-Email: [andrei112@msn.com] X-Sender: andrei112@msn.com From: "D Alexander Murville" To: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:08:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:08:51 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2005 23:07:28.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[3294E420:01C55B35] Return-Path: andrei112@msn.com X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] (no subject) Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Thu May 19 05:59:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 22661 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 05:59:03 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (204.127.202.55) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 19 May 2005 05:59:03 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005051905583301100ipu41e>; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:58:33 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: "GPAX-Discussion" Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:56:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] FW: [snow-news] Reality intrudes on reporting War in Iraq Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The NYTimes article below contains startling revelations showing that the war is proceeding very badly indeed. First, the recent announcement by the Iraqi government that mosques would no longer be raided is expected to be "revised." "The revised policy, the American officer implied, would allow Iraqi forces, backed by Americans, to raid mosques when they are used as insurgent strongholds." Well, duh. What were they raiding for in the past, if not to find insurgents? This is not going to help anything. Far, far better to have said nothing than for the Iraqis to say we won't, then the Americans say we will. It only underlines the puppet nature of the government. Second, Iraqi confidence in the new government has fallen from 85% immediately after the new government's election to 45%. This must be related to ordinary Iraqis' hope that the security situation, the greatest of all the running sores of the occupation, would improve, while it has actually gotten far worse. Third, the offensive in Anbar province has been conducted entirely by US forces, without the participation of any Iraqis. In other words, the new Iraqi defense forces were considered not useful for whatever reason in a fight the United States picked with the insurgency. Fourth, the casualty ratio of the Anbar province offensive is reported as 125 insurgents killed to 14 US troops killed. Even taking these figures at face value, which I do not, it is inconceivable that the US can sustain fighting against the insurgency over time with this level of troop losses. From any reasonable point of view, this is a great victory for the insurgents. Recall that Ho Chi Minh once said (I am paraphrasing from memory) "Ten Vietnamese will die for every US soldier who dies, but you [the Americans] will tire of the dying before we do" and he was right as rain. Taking the known total American deaths at 1600 and comparing that to total estimated Iraqi deaths of 100,000, one arrives at a casualty ratio of 60:1 for the war as a whole. For the US to sustain a casualty ratio of 9:1 in a combat situation initiated by the US is a clear defeat. The insurgents can sustain such a casualty rate forever, while the US cannot. Here is the URL for the NYTimes article: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/19/international/middleeast/19iraq.html?hp&ex =1116561600&en=49f1e36f402e0bd0&ei=5094&partner=homepage David McDonald ------------------------ snow-news@lists.riseup.net = ------------------------- This unmoderated list is intended for postings of news and information = related to war and US policy, which may be of interest to members of Sound = Nonviolent Opponents of War (SNOW). The views expressed in any post are those of = the credited author and do not necessarily reflect those of SNOW. 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No independent = claim of copyright on any such material is made or implied by SNOW or by the sender of this message. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Thu May 19 15:52:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 13211 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 15:52:55 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (204.127.202.55) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 19 May 2005 15:52:55 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005051915522601100iud66e>; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:52:28 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: "David McDonald" Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:50:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Seattle's Garfield HS PTSA Takes on Military Recruiters Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Thanks to Sally Soriano for making this available SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/224957_recruit19.html Garfield volunteers for military recruiting battle Thursday, May 19, 2005 By M.L. LYKE SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER Sgt. Melisa Porter had just spread out the freebies yesterday on her Army of One table -- give-away pens, pencils, computer games, slick brochures -- when the anti-recruiting leader arrived ready to do battle. "Do you understand that we don't want you here?" said PTSA co-Chairwoman Amy Hagopian, who came to the Garfield High School lunchroom carrying pictures of Iraq vets maimed in war. "Do you see these pictures of people who come home with prosthetics? Do you see them?" challenged Hagopian, a University of Washington assistant professor in health administration and the mother of a senior at Garfield. "My uncle was injured in Iraq in March," responded the young new recruiter. "And you know what? He feels it was worth it!" Yesterday was the first day military recruiters have been on campus since the Garfield High School PTSA passed a resolution seeking to oust them from public-school campuses. The resolution, first of its kind in the state, passed May 9. "Given the seriousness of what they are requesting people to participate in, we'd just prefer they not be on school grounds, which are supposed to be protected space for students," said Hagopian. Seattle School District officials responded to the resolution with a statement that it is illegal to ban only military recruiters. Under the Bush administration's No Child Left Behind Act, military recruiters must be granted the same access to students as college recruiters or job recruiters at schools that get federal money. The face-off in the lunchroom comes on the eve of tomorrow's national "stand-down" day for Army recruiters. Military commanders described the one-day halt as an effort to re-educate an estimated 7,500 recruiters on proper conduct. With recruitment falling far short of quotas -- overall enlistment in the all-volunteer forces is down about 12 percent since 2001 -- the pumped-up ranks of recruiters are desperate to "make mission." Some are abusing rules to do it. Since October last year, the Army has investigated about 480 allegations of impropriety. So far 91 have been confirmed, eight recruiters have been relieved of duty, and 98 have been admonished. Cases with disciplinary action pending include a Houston recruiter who threatened a wavering student with arrest if he backed out. Another recruiter in Colorado faces punishment for helping a student who claimed to be a dropout fake a high-school diploma and buy products to clean traces of drugs from his system. Earlier this month, a New York Times investigation cited cases of recruiters hiding police records and mental histories of enlistees and providing cheat sheets for tests. "Having the stand-down is basically to reaffirm the integrity of recruiting, to talk about what's right, what's honest," said Sgt. Darrell McAllister, a recruiter who showed up at Garfield to help Porter pack up and leave after reporters descended on her. McAllister said they had suddenly been called by commanders for an inspection of recruiting tools. Students watching yesterday's confrontation had a mix of opinions. Sophomore Ismail Hamza, sipping water from Marine recruiters' give-away bottle, said it was OK by him if they were there. But he had no intention of signing up. "You're just going to Iraq. That's all you're going to do." Local career counselors have received numerous complaints that recruiters are soft-pedaling combat in Iraq in their pitches. "They're trying to assure students they won't be sent overseas," Garfield career counselor Karin Engstrom said. "You can't do that." Yesterday recruiter Porter told two students that, while there's always a chance of going to Iraq, a lot of Army Reserve jobs are "less risky ... like truck drivers." U.S. military transportation units have suffered significant casualties in Iraq in random roadside bombings. Engstrom has told Porter and other recruiters that they can be on campus only one day a month, and all must come on the same day -- the better to monitor them. She makes sure to pass out sheets describing "Ten Points to Consider Before You Sign a Military Enlistment Agreement" when they are there. Garfield, whose highly diverse student body of 1,600 is 56.9 percent non-white, has taken controversial stands before. In 2002, it came up with a resolution opposing an invasion of Iraq. The new PTSA anti-recruiting resolution states that joining the military can be a "life and death" decision. Opinions on it have been strong from all quarters. Navy Chief Petty Officer Robert Born wrote in to the school's newspaper: "I find this to be quite bothersome, as it is the military that provides your school and our country the freedom to speak without fear of censorship." Other anti-recruiting movements are also picking up steam. In recent months, college students in California and New York have forced recruiters off campus, and in Boston, activists dumped 5 gallons of fake blood on the doorstep of a recruiting center. In the Puget Sound area, a group of students and parents stopped a Blackhawk helicopter from landing on fields at Bainbridge Island High School in April. The students said the helicopter, used for Army National Guard recruiting tours, was war propaganda. Earlier this month, a student at Foss High School in Tacoma sent e-mails to thousands of activists across the country, urging them to call school officials after plans for an anti-recruitment "teach-in" hit administrative roadblocks. Some students at Garfield are planning a walkout Monday and a march on Army recruiting headquarters down the street. But not everyone is on board. Yesterday senior Timmel Bowens, who has signed up with the Army but is still trying to pass the aptitude tests, said having recruiters on campus is "cool" and that the PTSA resolution is "not right." "Why would you prohibit recruiters from coming to high schools if there are students trying to join up?" he asked, after picking up a giveaway computer game called "Special Forces" from recruiter Porter's freebie table. He has seen the game before. "It's like you go 'round and just kill people basically," said Bowens. That works for him, onscreen or in real life, Iraq -- or whatever. "To me, going overseas and killing people, I would feel happy about myself for that," he said. This report includes information from The Associated Press. P-I reporter M.L. Lyke can be reached at 206-448-8344 or m.l.lyke@seattlepi.com © 1998-2005 Seattle Post-Intelligencer From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Tue May 24 20:07:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 5585 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 20:07:52 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (204.127.202.55) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 24 May 2005 20:07:52 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005052420072401100or6fhe>; Tue, 24 May 2005 20:07:24 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: "GPAX-Discussion" Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:05:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] FW: Forwarded from seattlepi.com: Students picket military recruiters Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Below is a news story from the Seattle Post Intelligencer that typefies what I mean by the elemental and highly progressive nature of the counter-recruitment movement. It is led by very young people and it is aimed at stopping the war machine at its currently most vulnerable point, recruitment. It coordinated actions at three separate locations in Seattle yesterday and stopped recruiting for the day. The young people involved rightly call this a victory. These young people have discovered that they can actually hurt the war machine, materially impede its ablility to make war, by striking at recruitment, and I think they have a point. They are beginning to enjoy themselves. It is heady stuff. It is catching on. It is all good. They should all be Greens. David McDonald Students picket military recruiters Angry that military recruiters come to their schools, more than 100 college and high school students marched on recruiting offices in Seattle yesterday. * Read the full article at: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/225552_protest24.html --------------------------------------------------------------- Keep track of what's happening around the Northwest, the nation and the world at http://www.seattlepi.com/ -- updated as news breaks. From owen.broadhurst@gmail.com Thu May 26 04:33:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 25026 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 04:33:30 -0000 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (64.233.162.192) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 26 May 2005 04:33:30 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 12so890471nzp for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:33:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=d1WdIr+upyxc9X4/v6B5Mlno/7+yg3rvvuXGPt/C05UZNYlF3fMj/RXnGrZuUjYSrd/hTQVdGqT82ieM6t+3Ga2NH9jKOtfz/7hoLPoomv3FZLcY8reTfWZYu0sCyiBNJ4WVMDHi1Z71W61umg/K/23u2NHaCtMjvmKIarVnf2c= Received: by 10.36.4.7 with SMTP id 7mr437004nzd; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.58.8 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e192b12050525213361d77f7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:33:00 -0400 From: Owen Broadhurst Reply-To: Owen Broadhurst To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [Peace-discussion] Anti-war movement: The centrality of the Palestinian question Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=3D107&ItemID=3D6527 Anti-war movement: The centrality of the Palestinian question=20 by Michel Warschawski =20 October 31, 2004=20 =20 Printer Friendly Version EMail Article to a Friend =20 At the last international conference of the anti-war movement it was decided that the next meeting would be held at Beirut in Lebanon. It was obvious that no Israeli activist could be present in Beirut for this conference, nonetheless I heartily approve of this decision. It is of the highest importance that the world anti-war movement roots itself in the Arab world which is the front line of the imperialist offensive which is currently waging two battles, in Iraq and in Palestine. Israeli as well as Syrian-Lebanese law makes participation in the Beirut conference impossible for my Israeli colleagues of the "Alternative Information Center" (AIC). It is nonetheless important to establish a clear distinction. The Arab decision concerning the Israelis stems from their legitimate battle against the normalization of relations with Israel, while the Israeli law which forbids its citizens from traveling in Arab countries is based on a deliberate policy seeking to prevent any cooperation among activists; more precisely any type of cooperation whose objective is not "normalization" (i.e. the creation of a false impression of peace and normality) but rather cooperation with the aim of coordinating our struggles against imperialist war, colonialist Zionism and the occupations in our region. In this letter, I want to stress this global war as well as the anti-war movement and the centrality of the Palestinian question. Why Palestine is so important in the eyes of millions of activists in civil and political society. Why, in every demonstration against neoliberalism or against the war, is the Palestinian flag omnipresent, much more than the Iraqi or any other flag? Is it because the Israeli occupation is the most barbarous or murderous? No, unhappily, there are situations which are worse, like that in Chechnya where the Russian army is carrying out a veritable genocide. Is it because the Palestinian national movement is a source of inspiration for the peoples of the world? No, there are movements of national liberation which are more efficacious and closer to victory than the Palestinian movement. Some "friends of Israel" will claim that the centrality of the question of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the confirmation of the anti-Semitism of the anti-war and anti-globalization militants. I cannot subscribe to this quite defamatory accusation, knowing how our movements in Europe, Africa, America or Asia have always been in the vanguard of the struggles against racism including of course anti-Semitism, which is not the case with the "friends of Israel" In my view, the centrality of the Palestinian question is explained by the fact that more than any other conflict on our planet, it concentrates the stakes of the global war launched by the Bush administration and its allies. In reality, the Palestinian question was the laboratory of this war. All the methods, arguments and justifications, all the images and techniques were tried in Palestine before being put into practice elsewhere in the world. If we look at the "check points" in Iraq, we have to note that they are carbon copies of the "control points" in Palestine. If we also look at the terrible images of torture in Iraqi prisons, most of these are old Israeli methods. The concept of unilateralism, the declaration that the Geneva conventions and more generally the post world War 2 political order are no longer pertinent. The framework of Bush's new strategy was at the heart of the Israeli policy of the last ten years. Again, since 2000, Israel has waged a preventive, global and permanent war against the Palestinians, who are more than enemies for they are perceived as an "existential threat". Remind you of anything? Some try to explain the similarity between the strategies of Bush and Sharon as the result of a "Jewish conspiracy" behind the US president, manipulating him to implement policies serving Israeli interests. However, there is a simpler explanation, that over the last 15 years, a group of US, Israeli and European politicians, experts, retired officers and businessmen have together drawn up a new vision of the world, a new global strategy after the fall of the Soviet bloc. Some of them had relations with the Israeli Likud party. They are known as neoconservatives, and in various research centres and think tanks they have developed the concept of the "Islamist menace", "the clash of civilizations", "the global preventive war". Their main hypotheses are the global political order established after the victory over fascism is no longer relevant, that the new threat is no longer communism, "the end of history" but Islamist terrorism and that the US has the right to protect the world against this menace, that Israel is at the centre of this new world war and that US unilateralism should replace UN multilateralism. The Israeli neoconservatives came to power with Netanyahu and his gang in 1996, five years before coming to power in Washington: that's why one has the impression that the US administration copies Israeli methods. To some extent Israeli policy against the Palestinians is a kind of local laboratory for the neoconservative strategy on a global scale. This strategy is based on the recolonization of the world, imposing the domination of the US and its allies through local collaborators, thus establishing a system of global apartheid. That has foundered in Palestine as it is now foundering in Iraq, thanks to the extraordinary resistance of the peoples, even in the face of an unlimited military power. It is by definition a unilateral strategy using preventive war in the goal of neutralizing the future challenges to their global domination. At the beginning of the 21st century, there are no longer local conflicts but rather local battles of the same neocolonial war between on the one hand US imperialism and its allies and on the other the peoples of the planet who resist global capitalism and colonial domination. The second reason for the centrality of the Palestinian question is that the front line of this global, permanent and preventive war is situated on the frontline where Israel is building the apartheid wall. To the east of the wall, in Qualquilya and Tulkarm, begins the axis of evil, the "rogue states"; to the west of the wall, in Kfar Saba and Zur Yigal begins Bush's civilization. Israel is in the front line of civilization combating the barbarians, Palestine is in the first line of the gigantic army of peoples of the world who fight against the civilization of MacDonald, Microsoft, Mitsubishi and Lagard=E8re. The wall is not only the apartheid wall between Israelis and Palestinians, it is a universal apartheid wall which separates the world into two global social forces, leading a war to life, to death on a planetary scale. The existence of a huge movement for global justice and against the war, even inside the imperialist states, is an enormous challenge to the strategy of apartheid which tries to deliver the world to a "clash of civilizations". This is also the case in Israel with the existence of an anti-colonialist movement, modest in size but crucial in its capacity to challenge in its daily activities the setting up of an apartheid system on a huge scale and a policy of permanent, preventive and colonial war against the Palestinian people. As long as we are ready to combat colonialism and occupation, as long there are soldiers refusing to serve in an army of occupation and men and women who will fight for a true cohabitation, "ta ayush" between Jews and Arabs, the chances of avoiding a catastrophe for the peoples of the region will be increased. NOTE * Michel Warschawski is a journalist and writer and a founder of the Alternative Information Center (AIC) in Israel. We reproduce here his "letter to my comrades of the world coalition of the anti-war movement", published by the Beirut daily "A-Safir" on September 18, 2004 during the international conference of the anti-war movement. From owen.broadhurst@gmail.com Thu May 26 05:54:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 30308 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 05:54:42 -0000 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (64.233.162.206) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 26 May 2005 05:54:42 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 12so914175nzp for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:54:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oaVSNwHwgjjJSUAqsk/lmDhCHIhV9N0C47nRyQ3TOR4OG9UOkuE05OOZuGKcpzx3a0WptV+Yn5AH0uOzFAKu7ss8bAvwAZS6ky9ldtYXoOp7E23ubv5o7jbyESavFznc9RpilURiC+wA97Kg+hr4b6JsrrJjw9KT1NCCZBxaIqw= Received: by 10.36.2.13 with SMTP id 13mr460259nzb; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.58.8 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e192b120505252254572d9ed9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:54:13 -0400 From: Owen Broadhurst Reply-To: Owen Broadhurst To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Subject: [Peace-discussion] Arundhati Roi Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: IlRoZSBJcmFxaSByZXNpc3RhbmNlIGlzIGZpZ2h0aW5nIG9uIHRoZSBmcm9udGxpbmVzIG9mIHRo ZSBiYXR0bGUKYWdhaW5zdCBFbXBpcmUuIEFuZCB0aGVyZWZvcmUgdGhhdCBiYXR0bGUgaXMgb3Vy IGJhdHRsZS4gIgoKUHVibGljIFBvd2VyIGluIHRoZSBBZ2Ugb2YgRW1waXJlCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cu Y291bnRlcmN1cnJlbnRzLm9yZy91cy1yb3kyNDA4MDQuaHRtCgo9PT09PQoKIiJXZSBjYW4ndCBh c3N1bWUgdGhhdCByZXNpc3RhbmNlIG1lYW5zIHRlcnJvcmlzbSBiZWNhdXNlIHRoYXQgd291bGQK YmUgcGxheWluZyByaWdodCBpbnRvIHRoZSBoYW5kcyBvZiB0aGUgb2NjdXBhdGlvbiwiIHNoZSBz YWlkLgoKQXJ1bmRoYXRpIFJveSBEZWZlbmRzICJSZXNpc3RhbmNlIgpodHRwOi8vZW50ZXJ0YWlu bWVudC5pYWZyaWNhLmNvbS9ib29rcy9uZXdzLzM4NzIxNi5odG0KCj09PT09CgoiIkl0IG1pZ2h0 IHNlZW0gaXJvbmljIHRoYXQgYSBwZXJzb24gd2hvIHNwZW5kcyBtb3N0IG9mIGhlciB0aW1lCnRo aW5raW5nIG9mIHN0cmF0ZWdpZXMgb2YgcmVzaXN0YW5jZSBhbmQgcGxvdHRpbmcgdG8gZGlzcnVw dCB0aGUKcHV0YXRpdmUgcGVhY2UgaXMgZ2l2ZW4gYSBwZWFjZSBwcml6ZSIsIHNoZSBzYWlkLiAi VG8gbWUgdGhlcmUgY2Fubm90CmJlIHBlYWNlIHdpdGhvdXQganVzdGljZSBhbmQgdGhlcmUgY2Fu bm90IGJlIGp1c3RpY2Ugd2l0aG91dApyZXNpc3RhbmNlLiBBbmQgdGhlcmUgY2Fubm90IGJlIGp1 c3RpY2UgaWYgeW91IGRvIG5vdCBuYW1lIGFuZCBleHBvc2UKdGhlIGluc3RpdHV0aW9ucyB0aGF0 IGFyZSBwZXJwZXRyYXRpbmcgaW5qdXN0aWNlLCBvdGhlcndpc2UgeW91IGp1c3QKbW91dGggcGxh dGl0dWRlcyCXIGl0IGNhbiBiZSBtZWFuaW5nbGVzcy4gIgoKVGFyZ2V0IGNvbXBhbmllcyByaXBw aW5nIG9mZiBJcmFxLCBzYXlzIEFydW5kaGF0aSBSb3kKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5ncmVlbmxlZnQub3Jn LmF1L2JhY2svMjAwNC82MDYvNjA2cDRiLmh0bQoKPT09PQo= From greentararaider@yahoo.com Thu May 26 22:06:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 21083 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 22:06:38 -0000 Received: from web53607.mail.yahoo.com (206.190.37.40) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 26 May 2005 22:06:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 15429 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2005 22:06:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=V+Qh4Ax9jWkS3NylpOg5DhA3oPPUJQ81klQS/NQH/xxmGd8TCGP7U2bOWVf1OACdVrqg+662oL1KM7H2zKndAhKq3jv6Bj/NKwJL4IHcKBwVWtNoU81FOFYwlRDEFx2Lt5b3PbaE5ybOZVYm+dR5buq1jtHzFi8D1qEoiColK24= ; Message-ID: <20050526220610.15427.qmail@web53607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.221.103.180] by web53607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:06:10 PDT Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:06:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Elena Everett To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org, GPUS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Peace-discussion] Fwd: Klan Burns 3 Crosses in Durham, NC: Vigils Tonight Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The North Carolina Greens are working on a statement of condemnation as I type and are mobilizing to get people to the vigils. One of these burnings happened five minutes from the home of our state co-chair. Please keep us in your thoughts tonight as our community comes together to confront some very real present-day hate and some very painful memories. In Peace, Elena > Dear Friends and Allies: > > Last night, Wednesday May 25, "Several motorists > spotted a tall burning cross near Interstate 85 and > Hillandale Road around 9:15 p.m. It was located near > the back parking lot of St. Luke's Episcopal Church. > At the same time, callers to 911 reported another > cross burning near Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. and > South Roxboro Street. > About an hour later, Durham firefighters responded > to another burning cross on Dillard Street in > downtown Durham, just across from the WTVD studios. > Fliers purportedly from the KKK were left at that > location. The United House of Prayer for All People > is located nearby. The crosses were several feet > tall. Officers took away the burned crosses for > further investigation". (From ABC 11 Report) > > > The Religious Coalition for a Nonviolent Durham is > calling for vigils at all three locations tonight, > Thursday May 26, and believe strongly that a large > community response to the cross burnings is > important. The NC Peace & Justice Coalition > encourages everyone in the area to join in a loud > community response to these acts of violence, > hatred, racism and intimidation. > > PLEASE COME TONIGHT TO ONE OF THREE CANDLELIGHT > VIGILS TO STAND AGAINST KLAN VIOLENCE, CROSS > BURNING, AND RACISM IN OUR COMMUNITIES: BRING YOUR > CANDLES! > > DOWNTOWN VIGIL: 6:00 community dinner and discussion > on the cross burnings and the communty's response, > 7:30 pm Vigil: Meet for both at the Durham Main > Library parking lot, at 300 N Rosboro, between > Holloway and Liberty streets. The dinner will take > place within walking distance of the library. The > vigil will likely take place near the site of the > cross burning, 2 blocks away at the United House of > Prayer on Dillard and Holloway. If you can help > bring a dish, banners, or candles please Contact > Andrew Pearson, kangaroo@email.unc.edu 360 2028. > > WEST DURHAM VIGIL: 8:00 pm At or near ST. Luke's > Episcopal Church, (919) 286-2273, 1737 Hillandale > Rd, Durham 27705, near I-85. The Church pastor and > neighborhood and community groups are involved in > the planning. Contact: John Schelp, bwatu@yahoo.com, > Old West Durham Neighborhood Association, > > SOUTH DURHAM VIGIL: 8:00 pm on the sidewalk on South > Roxboro Street, near Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd., > in front of the site of the cross burning. The plan > at present is to have everyone gather on the > sidewalk at the site of the burning on South Roxboro > Street tonight at 8 pm and bring a candle "to shine > some light in this moment of darkness." Churches and > civic organizations are being contacted and fliers > are being printed up. Contact Terry and Ann Lee > Mosley, mosgen@earthlink.net, 489-8592. > > WE JUST WON'T TOLERATE... RACISM > NO, WE WON'T TOLERATE... EXPLOITATION > WE JUST WON'T TOLERTAE... INJUSTICE > WE'RE GONNA STAND.... WE'RE GONNA STAND... > --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Fri May 27 01:06:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 386 invoked from network); 27 May 2005 01:06:27 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (204.127.202.56) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 27 May 2005 01:06:27 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005052701055701200h7dqme>; Fri, 27 May 2005 01:05:57 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: "GPAX-Discussion" Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 18:03:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] FW: [snow-news] DN, R, SPI, CSM: Anti-recruitment movement heats up in Seattle Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Mark Jensen, who compiled the articles below, is a member of United for Peace of Pierce County and a professor at Pacific Lutheran University in Tacoma, WA. -----Original Message----- From: jensenmk [mailto:jensenmk@plu.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:57 PM To: jensenmk Subject: [snow-news] DN, R, SPI, CSM: Anti-recruitment movement heats up in Seattle LOCAL NEWS: Anti-recruitment movement heats up in Seattle [On Wednesday, Democracy Now! featured a brief segment on four U.S. military recruiting offices in Seattle "shut down when students blocked the entrances to protest recruitment practices and to oppose the occupation of raq."[1] -- Reuters had reported the day befor that Garfield HS was "the first in the United States to tell the military that it is no longer welcome on campus because recruiters unfairly target poor inner-city teens to fight the U.S. war on terror,"[2] and the *Seattle Post-Intelligencer*'s Jake Ellison reported that "more than 100 college and high school students marched on recruiting offices in Seattle [May 23]. . . . the students blocked the entrances to military offices and pounded on windows in Northgate, the University District and the Central Area."[3] -- On May 18, the *Christian Science Monitor* ran a story by Dean Paton reviewing recent controversies around military recruiting, noting that "the Supreme Court recently agreed to decide whether the federal government can withhold funds from colleges that bar military recruiters."[4] -- The *Monitor* article also focused on Seattle's Garfield High, where "The school's opposition to military recruitment seems, in part, a result of parents' growing realization that tax money spent for the Iraq war is money not spent on children's educations or other domestic needs," Paton wrote. --Mark] http://www.ufppc.org/content/view/2851/ 1. ANTI-MILITARY RECRUITING CAMPAIGN HEATS UP AT SEATTLE SCHOOLS By Amy Goodman, with Amy Hagopian, president and co-chair of the Parent Teacher Student Association at Garfield High School in Seattle, Washington Democracy Now! May 25, 2005 http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/25/1414224 On Monday, four U.S. military recruiting offices in Seattle were shut down when students blocked the entrances to protest recruitment practices and to oppose the occupation of Iraq. Meanwhile the Parent Teacher Student Association at one school has passed a resolution recommending that military recruiters be barred from the campus. Students from nine local universities, community colleges, and high schools joined in simultaneous demonstrations. A military recruiting office near the University of Washington and another near Garfield High School were also blockaded by groups of students. Garfield High School also made news recently when the school's Parent Teacher Student Association passed a resolution recommending that military recruiters be barred from the campus. The resolution, passed on May 9th, was the first of its kind in the state. Seattle school district officials then released a statement stating that under President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, it was illegal to ban only military recruiters -- they must be granted the same access to students as college or job recruiters at schools that receive federal money. Garfield High School is no stranger to speaking out against the war. In 2002, the school passed a resolution opposing the invasion in Iraq. --Amy Hagopian, is the president and co-chair of the Parent Teacher Student Association at Garfield High School in Seattle, Washington. RUSH TRANSCRIPT AMY GOODMAN: Joining us on the phone from Seattle is the co-chair of the Parent Teacher Association, Amy Hagopian. She is the mother of a senior at Garfield High. Welcome to Democracy Now! AMY HAGOPIAN: It’s good to be with you. AMY GOODMAN: I’m sorry we only have a few minutes. Can you quickly explain how did your P.T.A. vote to kick out the recruiters? And what will happen now? AMY HAGOPIAN: Our P.T.A. has a mission to promote the welfare of children and youth and to support and speak out on their behalf. That's the mission of P.T.A.s everywhere in America. And we would encourage other P.T.A.s to act on behalf of their mission and also look seriously at the recruitment happening in their schools and the nature of that recruitment, the frequency, the intensity, and the hard pressure tactics. AMY GOODMAN: Your school is almost a third African American? AMY HAGOPIAN: It is. It's an inner city school that's large and very diverse. It's a magnet school, so there's many high achieving kids and there's many kids who can’t read. AMY GOODMAN: What will happen if No Child Left Behind Act says you lose federal funding? Will the school actually stop recruiters from coming on campus? AMY HAGOPIAN: We can’t physically stop them, and we can’t legally stop them, but we can stand at the doors and explain that they're not welcome, as can every high school in the country. Somebody obviously needs to challenge this legally, but that's a hard task to ask of public schools that are strapped for money. AMY GOODMAN: Well, I want to thank you very much for being with us, Amy Hagopian, co-chair of the Parent Teacher Association at Garfield High. Another issue we have dealt with in the past is that kids' names are given to the Pentagon automatically by schools, part of the No Child Left Behind Act, unless parents proactively tell the school they don't want those names sent, or the student does, and then those names will not be sent, a story we have covered here. 2. SEATTLE HIGH SCHOOL SEEKS MILITARY RECRUITER BAN By Linda Thomas Reuters May 24, 2005 http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N24332906.htm SEATTLE -- A high school in Seattle has become the first in the United States to tell the military that it is no longer welcome on campus because recruiters unfairly target poor inner-city teens to fight the U.S. war on terror. "Who goes to fight wars? It's not George Bush's kids or senators' kids or Donald Rumsfeld's nieces and nephews," said Amy Hagopian, co-chairwoman of the Parent Teacher Student Association, PTSA, at Garfield High School. "It's poor kids who fight wars," Hagopian said. Earlier in May, the PTSA passed a resolution that said: "Students should not be harassed by military recruiters. . . . The U.S. military should not recruit in public schools." Despite that, the school has no legal authority to keep recruiters off campus. Under federal law, all school districts are required to release the names and contact information of students to military recruiters. The issue at Garfield High is part of a national debate as the military struggles to replenish its numbers for the war on terror and the war in Iraq. The U.S. Supreme Court said earlier this month it will consider whether the government can withhold funding from colleges that bar military recruiters. "We offer a lot in terms of skill training and money for furthering education," said Douglas Smith, a spokesman for U.S. Army Recruiting Command in Fort Knox, Kentucky. The United States has relied on an all-volunteer military since the draft ended on July 1, 1973. Garfield is an inner-city high school where one-third of the 1,600 students are black in a city that is predominantly white and Asian. On Monday, more than 100 high school and college students protested at three military recruiting offices in Seattle. The National PTA, based in Chicago, supports the Seattle parent-teacher group's action. PTA President Linda Hodge said the resolution is a first step toward "holding lawmakers accountable to their communities." Hodge said she knew of no other PTA group in the country that had asked military recruiters to stay away from school. In September 2004, the Army had 6,128 recruiters. By the first week of May this year, that number had risen to 7,545. "One of the impediments to recruiting is the ongoing war on terrorism," Smith said. "With physical dangers and the risk of death, recruiters have to spend more time and energy talking through what enlisting now holds for an individual and their families." 3. Local STUDENTS PICKET MILITARY RECRUITERS By Jake Ellison ** Protestors don't want them at schools ** Seattle Post-Intelligencer May 24, 2005 http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/225552_protest24.html Angry that military recruiters come to their schools, more than 100 college and high school students marched on recruiting offices in Seattle yesterday. Chanting "Education not war, kick recruiters out the door" and other slogans, the students blocked the entrances to military offices and pounded on windows in Northgate, the University District and the Central Area. The three neighborhood rallies began simultaneously at noon. The young demonstrators said they oppose the war in Iraq and don't want recruiters trying to sign up students at their schools. They also were protesting the fact that military spending continues to rise while the nation's public education system struggles financially. "I don't want to go to war," said Ob Flores, 17, from Mount Rainier High School in Des Moines. "I want to learn; I don't want to die." No protesters were arrested, and no injuries were reported. Student and parent resentment over recruitment on high school and college campuses has been growing in the past year. The military has fallen behind enlistment quotas nationally, and dozens of recruiters have been admonished for using improper, aggressive tactics. Garfield High School's PTSA passed a resolution May 9 recommending that recruiters be barred from the school. When recruiters later returned to Garfield, they were met by protests from parent leaders. Earlier this year at Seattle Central Community College, angry students surrounded two recruiters and harassed them until they fled the campus. It's an issue playing out across the country that now finds itself in front of the nation's highest court. The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to consider whether the government can take federal funding from schools that restrict the military's access to students. During one of the protests yesterday, several dozen demonstrators lined the sidewalk in front of Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines recruiting offices near Northgate Mall. Marine recruiters quickly dropped the window shades and kept the doors locked. Next door, however, the Army recruiting station's front door was open. Four protesters entered and objected loudly to the military presence at their schools. Sgt. 1st Class Jessica Hicks first told the protesters to leave, then pushed them out the door. Army spokesman Bill Pierce said later that Hicks was protecting both the recruiters and station property. "People can come into the station to talk about the Army," he said, "but they can't break into the station with the intent to do damage." Minutes after the first altercation, another protester attempted to get inside the office but was quickly forced out of the doorway by Hicks. With the doors shut and a "closed" sign hanging (it was switched back to "open" minutes later), the protesters declared victory. "Nobody is getting in here!" said the bullhorn-wielding Marlo Winter, a Seattle Central student who helped organize the protest. "That means nobody can be recruited while we're here!" In the U District, about 40 protesters massed in front of military offices on Northeast 45th Street. Blasting bioterrorism research, genocide and military spending, speakers took turns haranguing the recruiters inside. Across town in the Central Area, about 30 students from three high schools -- Garfield, Chief Sealth and Nova -- demonstrated outside a military recruiting station. (Editor's Note: The original version of this story mistakenly indicated all of the students came from one school.) "It was awesome," said Duwan Tyson, a recent Garfield graduate and student at The Evergreen State College. "They closed the doors on us and retreated." P-I reporter Jake Ellison can be reached at 206-448-8346 or jakeellison@seattlepi.com 4. Society & Culture RIFT OVER RECRUITING AT PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS By Dean Paton ** A Seattle high school bars military solicitation, touching off debate over Iraq war and free speech ** Christian Science Monitor May 18, 2005 http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0518/p02s01-ussc.html or http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/18/iraq/main696054.shtml [PHOTO (http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0518/csmimg/p2a.jpg) CAPTION: ANY TAKERS? Army Staff Sgt. Christian Marsh watched a wave of students pass by at the Edmonds-Woodway High School in Edmonds, Wash. Recruiters are struggling to meet enlistment numbers.] SEATTLE -- While most Parent Teacher Student Association meetings might center on finding funding for better math books or the best way to chaperon a school dance, a recent meeting here at Garfield High School grappled with something much larger -- the war in Iraq. The school is perhaps one of the first in the nation to debate and vote against military recruiting on high school campuses -- a topic already simmering at the college level. In fact, the Supreme Court recently agreed to decide whether the federal government can withhold funds from colleges that bar military recruiters. High schools are struggling with a similar issue as the No Child Left Behind Act requires that schools receiving federal funding must release the names of its students to recruiters. Some feel that's an invasion of privacy prompted by a war effort that has largely divided the American public. Others say barring recruiters is an infringement of free speech -- and a snub to the military, particularly in a time of war. Garfield High School took a decisive step last week with a vote of 25 to 5 to adopt a resolution that says "public schools are not a place for military recruiters." All this comes as recruiters struggle to meet enlistment goals. Although PTA chapters are supposed to be "nonsectarian and nonpartisan, which means nonpolitical," according to Jenny Sopko, a spokeswoman for the national PTA in Chicago, Garfield's PTSA cochair maintains that its action is "wholly consistent with our mission." "The mission of the PTA is to protect and defend kids," says Amy Hagopian, a mother of three whose son is a Garfield senior. "It's not just limited to education issues -- which explains why the PTA takes positions on kids' health, violence, and other serious issues." Garfield, with 1,600 students, is one of Seattle's top high schools, routinely producing bumper crops of National Merit Scholars, plus internationally acclaimed student orchestras and jazz bands. It's also racially diverse, with African-American students making up 31 percent of its student population. Like so many schools today, Garfield grapples with painful budget cuts, loss of teachers, and dwindling resources. The school's opposition to military recruitment seems, in part, a result of parents' growing realization that tax money spent for the Iraq war is money not spent on children's educations or other domestic needs. "They're spending $4 billion a month in Iraq, but we have to cut our race relations class, which costs $12,500," Ms. Hagopian pointed out. "That's an important class for our kids." During discussion at the PTSA's meeting last week, Ted Inkley argued against the resolution because he thought it dangerous to deny free speech to organizations simply because their philosophies or intentions disagreed with the PTSA. Mr. Inkley, an attorney whose daughter is a senior, told the crowded library he could "easily" see a resolution by some other PTA that banned Planned Parenthood representatives from campus because of their views on contraception and abortion. Steve Ludwig, whose son is a senior and whose daughter will enter as a freshman next fall, made a point shared by many in attendance: Garfield does not allow organizations that promote illegal activities to recruit students to perform those activities, nor does it allow organizations that discriminate on the basis of race, gender, national origin, or sexual orientation to recruit on campus. "Planned Parenthood, as far as I know, does not advocate or perform illegal acts. The U.S. military does," Mr. Ludwig continued. The soft-spoken carpenter said he would not object if Army representatives came to Garfield to debate their ideas on torture or aggressive war. "What I object to is their coming here to recruit students to perform those acts," he said. "It's not about free speech." Nationally, there's a growing sense that recruiters desperate to bolster falling enlistment numbers are misrepresenting sign-up agreements to entice recruits. In response to 480 allegations of improprieties by recruiters since Oct. 1, the Army announced it will suspend its recruiting for one day on May 20, so commanders can remind its 7,500 recruiters of proper conduct. Douglas Smith, a U.S. Army spokesman, said the job of recruiters is not to make promises but to show applicants possibilities and career options. "As for a recruiter making promises and not following through, the recruiter's not in any position to promise anything. We hope that all our recruiters are communicating honestly with our applicants," Mr. Smith said. But he added, "In the contract [between the new soldier and the Army] it says, 'Anything the recruiter may have promised me is moot.'" Smith also pointed out the legality of military recruitment activity on campuses. "The No Child Left Behind Act requires schools to let us have access to these students," he says. Indeed, the resolution by Garfield's PTSA is more symbol than policy, for Seattle, like virtually all school districts, requires high schools to give recruiters access to students -- or risk losing federal funding under Section 9528 of the act. School districts also are required to notify parents and students that they may "opt out" by signing a letter preventing recruiters from getting their names. In response to Garfield's resolution, Seattle's district issued a statement reinforcing its policy of allowing recruiters to work on high school campuses, but also said it would increase efforts next fall to make it easier for parents and students to opt out. "Nothing in this resolution prevents students desirous of joining the military from doing so," said Sasha Riser-Kositsky, a Garfield sophomore from a written statement during last week's meeting. 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The Boston Globe, November 29, 2004 MILITARY RECRUITERS TARGET SCHOOLS STRATEGICALLY By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff POMFRET, Md. Military recruiting saturates life at McDonough High, a working-class public school where recruiters chaperon dances, students in a junior ROTC class learn drills from a retired sergeant major in uniform, and every prospect gets called at least six times by the Army alone. Recruiters distribute key chains, mugs, and military brochures at McDonough's cafeteria. They are trained to target students at schools like McDonough across the country, using techniques such as identifying a popular student whom they call a "center of influence" and conspicuously talking to that student in front of others. Meanwhile, at McLean High, a more affluent public school 37 miles away in Virginia, there is no military chaperoning and no ROTC class. Recruiters adhere to a strict quota of visits, lining up behind dozens of colleges. In the guidance office, military brochures are dwarfed by college pennants. Posters promote life amid ivy-covered walls, not in the cockpits of fighter jets. Students from McDonough are as much as six times more likely than those from McLean to join the military, a disparity that is replicated elsewhere. A survey of the military's recruitment system found that the Defense Department zeroes in on schools where students are perceived to be more likely to join up, while making far less effort at schools where students are steered toward college. Now, as pressure mounts on recruiters to find 180,000 volunteers amid casualty counts from Iraq and Afghanistan that have surpassed 1,300 dead and 10,000 wounded, the fairness of the system by which the nation persuades young people to take on the burden of national defense is coming under increasing scrutiny. The Globe inquiry found that recruiters target certain schools and students for heavy recruitment, and then won't give up easily: Officers call the chosen students repeatedly, tracking their responses in a computer program the Army calls "the Blueprint." Eligible students are hit with a blitz of mailings and home visits. Recruiters go hunting wherever teens from a targeted area hang out, following them to sporting events, shopping malls, and convenience stores. Officers are trained to analyze students and make a pitch according to what will strike a motivational chord job training, college scholarships, adventure, signing bonuses, or service to country. A high-school recruiting manual describes the Army as "a product which can be sold." The manual offers tips for recruiters to make themselves "indispensable" to schools; suggests tactics such as reading yearbooks to "mysteriously" know something about a prospect to spark the student's curiosity; notes that "it is only natural for people to resist" and suggests ways to turn aside objections; and lists techniques for closing the deal, such as the "challenge close": "This closing method works best with younger men," the manual reads. "You must be careful how you use this one. You must be on friendly terms with your prospect, or this may backfire. It works like this: When you find difficulty in closing, particularly when your prospect's interest seems to be waning, challenge his ego by suggesting that basic training may be too difficult for him and he might not be able to pass it. Then, if he accepts your challenge, you will be a giant step closer to getting him to enlist." Varying targets The Defense Department spends $2.6 billion each year on recruiting, including signing bonuses, college funds, advertising, recruiter pay, and administering the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery. The military pitches the test to schools as a free career exploration program, but which its manual notes is also "specifically designed" to "provide the recruiter with concrete and personal information about the student." Nearly all efforts are aimed at impending or recent high school graduates. But the marketing message is not targeted equally, acknowledged Kurt Gilroy, who directs recruiting policy for the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Although the military strives to maintain a presence everywhere "to give everyone an opportunity to enlist if they so choose," he said, it concentrates on places most likely to "maximize return on the recruiting dollar [because] the advertising and marketing research people tell us to go where the low-hanging fruit is. In other words, we fish where the fish are." But targeting some schools more than others raises questions about fairness. While some students at targeted schools are eager to join, others may be unduly manipulated into signing up. David Walsh, a psychologist who has written a book about the impact of media on the adolescent brain, says teenage brains are not yet fully developed. Studies have shown that teens' brain structures make them less independent of group opinion and less likely to consider long-term consequences than adults a few years older. For the masses of teenagers who are not peer group leaders, Walsh said, an aggressive sales pitch can sway their decisions especially if the recruiter knows how to get coaches, counselors, and popular students to endorse enlisting. Indeed, the Army trains its recruiters to do exactly that. "Some influential students such as the student president or the captain of the football team may not enlist; however, they can and will provide you with referrals who will enlist," the Army's school recruiting handbook says. "More important is the fact that an informed student leader will respect the choice of enlistment." Walsh says an approach like this is certain to persuade some teens at targeted schools to join up, while essentially identical teens at other schools will make other choices. "What we end up doing is maintaining the gap between the haves and the have-nots, because they are the ones who are targeted to put their lives on the line and make sacrifices for the rest of us," Walsh said. "The kids with more options, we don't bother with them." Different paths Principals and teachers play a role in determining whether military recruitment succeeds. In schools where educators are skeptical of the military, recruiters are shut out beyond the minimum required by President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act: two visits a year per service, as well as a list with every student's name, address, and phone number. In other schools, the people who fill those same influential roles serve as advocates for the military. At McDonough, guidance counselor Wanda Welch, who notes that her son recently completed four years in the Air Force, talks of the virtues of defending the country. Sitting near military posters and brochures, she says she appreciates the services recruiters give to the school and tells students that "if they don't know what they want to do, enlisting can be a good choice." At McLean, counselor Isobel Rahn, who notes that she came of age amid the Vietnam War protests, says the school requires recruiters to sign in like any other outsider because "we protect our kids." Sitting near a poster announcing visits from 23 colleges in the coming two weeks, she says she tells students that the military offers benefits but that "the con in 2004 is that you can get killed." Over the past year, as casualties in Iraq have filled the news, recruiting has become much more difficult. For the 2003-04 recruiting year, which ended in September, the Army's active-duty and reserves recruiting effort narrowly met its quota, but the Army National Guard missed its goal of 56,000 soldiers by about 5,000 its first shortfall in a decade. "I think Iraq has hurt recruiting," said Sergeant Kevin Bidwell, who commands the Army recruiting station that includes McDonough High. "People automatically think that as soon as they join up, they're going to go over there." Bidwell said he tells prospects that such a fear is a "misperception because objectively you don't know for sure. The Army is a million strong, and if you look at statistics over there, there's under 100,000 from all four branches." Actually, about 140,000 US troops are serving in Iraq. The number of students who go from the halls of McDonough to boot camp is substantial: 15 of its 322 seniors last year had decided to enlist by graduation, according to a state website. Local recruiters say that number will rise as they continue to contact targeted McDonough students over the next two years. Far fewer students enlist coming out of McLean. Precise statistics are not available, but Rahn said that each year between three and seven of her roughly 400 seniors join the military. Marketing gap Those familiar with military recruiting say lower family incomes make McDonough students more likely to enlist, but that marketing also plays a major role. Richard I. Stark Jr., a retired Army officer who once worked on personnel issues for the secretary of defense, said he thinks the targeted hard sell draws in students who otherwise might not join, while failing to find potential recruits at other schools. "It's hard to imagine that it doesn't influence the proclivities of those people to make a judgment for themselves about the military," Stark said. "Once you start [recruiting at a school heavily], it's like a snowball. As more people from the school join the military, they go back on leave, walk around in their spiffy uniforms, brag about accomplishments. That generates interest by more recruits." Stark said the recruiting marketing gap is a problem only insofar as it deprives the military of qualified students from a full range of high schools and all walks of life. But the recruiting system has drawn more aggressive critics. Representative Charles Rangel, Democrat of New York, says society places what should be a shared burden of defense only on those poor enough to be induced to risk their lives for a chance at college or a signing bonus. Those who sign up with the infantry for five years get $12,000 in cash or a smaller bonus, as well as up to $70,000 in college aid. "These young people are not 'volunteers,' " Rangel said. "They're not there because they're patriotic. They're there because they need the money." Sergeant Isaac Horton, McDonough's Army recruiter, sees it differently. For him, enlisting is a way to improve the lives of young people with few options. In his pitches to recruits, he uses his life as an example, talking of returning home to find many of his high school friends either dead or in jail. "If I had to do it over again, I would do it," Horton said. "Look at the crime rate in D.C. I'll take my chances in the military." To show his displeasure with military recruiting, Rangel filed a bill in early 2003, before the Iraq invasion, proposing to revive the national draft. Congress killed the measure. A class issue Rangel's critique also has a strong sense of racial grievance, but data suggest that the military is not putting its energy into high schools attended by poor minority students. Instead of race, the clearest indicator of how hard a sell a student will receive is class. Generally, recruiters focus on the lower middle class in places with little economic opportunity. The Defense Department does not track the socioeconomic background of its recruits, although Rangel has commissioned a Government Accountability Office study of the matter. The military also does not collect data for how many recruits it gets from which high schools; that information gets no higher than local recruiting commands. But in 1999, the RAND Corp. conducted a study seeking patterns among qualified high school seniors. "It turned out that kids who were of upper income were more likely to go to college, but it also turned out that kids from lower incomes had better chances of getting need-based financial aid to college," said Beth Asch, a RAND military personnel analyst. "So when you look at who goes to the military, you tend to get those in the middle." Local recruiters use a computer system that combines socioeconomic data from the census, high school recruiting data for all four services, ZIP codes with high numbers of young adults, and other information to identify the likeliest candidates. The obvious school districts that get screened out are those affluent enough that most of their students are probably college-bound. But recruiters also put less energy into underclass high schools because they do not want prospects who might be ineligible because they drop out of school, have criminal records, or do not score high enough on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery. Every three months, each service hands recruiting station commanders a quota to meet. The Army pegs its signing bonuses to the specific jobs with the greatest openings. Highly qualified recruits are much more coveted than low-scoring prospects, who can do only basic tasks. But this year, the Army is relaxing its rules to help fill its quotas. The number of high school dropouts allowed to enlist will rise 25 percent accounting for 10 percent of recruits this year, compared with 8 percent last year. The percentage allowed to enlist despite borderline scores on a service aptitude test will rise by 33 percent from 1.5 percent last year to 2 percent this year. For recruiters on the ground such as Bidwell, it will be a tough year. So focusing on schools and ZIP codes that have had the highest rates of enlistment is good business sense. "They have a higher propensity to enlist, so why not concentrate your efforts there?" Bidwell said. From owen.broadhurst@gmail.com Wed Jun 01 21:36:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 29825 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 21:36:04 -0000 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (64.233.162.195) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 21:36:04 -0000 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 12so21459nzp for ; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:35:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lAzt9FOep4/eW242CuxLPIwTl9tfc8890al+Gahoki+zr3Nc+jlNghOVuD0SjZHdUyIFAi1PYGdZbUWwv+L/uwqd+Iv7dgAwdr5s+DTGDX/wjcVLT66nekxVYlCAFz9NLa7jIH9c+B6W1kw6+dagf/8unYV480YygRSZteajhuQ= Received: by 10.36.178.14 with SMTP id a14mr148452nzf; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.60.19 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e192b1205060114357b68dbec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:35:35 -0400 From: Owen Broadhurst Reply-To: Owen Broadhurst To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [Peace-discussion] Boston International Action Committee June 1 Bulletin Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: From: iacboston To: iacboston@iacboston.org Subject: Is Unity Possible? June 11 Strategy Discussion Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:36:52 -0700 =20 Is Unity Possible?=20 This email includes three parts to contribute to the discussion=20 around unity in the antiwar movement on September 24. They are:=20 1) An Invitation to a Discussion on Unity and Strategy on June 11=20 2) The May 26 Unity Call from the Troops Out Now Coalition=20 3) UFPJ's email to its member organizations=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- An Invitation to a Discussion on Unity and Strategy=20 SATURDAY JUNE 11=20 11:00 AM - 5:00 PM=20 The New School Lang Center=20 55 W 13th St New York, NY=20 GETTING U.S. TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ NOW!=20 THE WORLD DEMANDS IT - WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?=20 Sisters and brothers,=20 Since the Troops Out Now Coalition (TONC) added its views to the=20 discussion about uniting the antiwar movement prompted by a unity=20 call circulated by USLAW, September 24 has been set as the date for=20 an antiwar march on Washington. We believe that September 24 should=20 be embraced by all as a critical opportunity to revive a determined=20 and popular struggle to shut this war down. The road to that end is=20 not paved yet. The ANSWER coalition and then UPFJ have both called=20 for marches on Washington DC on Saturday Sept. 24. ANSWER has asked=20 for a united event on this date with UFPJ. In a letter announcing=20 it's Sept. 24 plans, UPFJ says it will not have a united event on=20 this date with either the Troops Out Now Coalition or ANSWER, citing=20 as their reasons the anti-imperialist politics of TONC and ANSWER,=20 and past difficulties working with these coalitions.=20 At its meeting on May 26, TONC decided to also issue a call for a=20 full mobilization to Washington DC on Sept. 24. We do not envision 3=20 separate events in Washington DC on Sept. 24. We propose that the 3=20 coalitions and other forces come together to plan a strong united=20 effort for Sept.24.=20 We appeal to UFPJ to reverse their rejection of a united mobilization=20 with ANSWER and TONC and others on Sept 24. We believe that all=20 should put aside anything that will create obstacles to realizing the=20 potential of Sept. 24.=20 We propose that the unifying demand for Sept 24 should be the=20 complete, unconditional and immediate withdrawal of all U.S.=20 occupation troops from Iraq. Beyond that, we propose that each=20 coalition raise the additional demands, and political views that they=20 choose to. We intend to demand money for jobs, healthcare, education=20 and housing, not war, and at the very same time call for an end to=20 Washington and Wall St.'s war against Palestine, Cuba, Venezuela,=20 North Korea, Afghanistan, Haiti, the Philippines, Zimbabwe, and other=20 countries that are on imperialism's hit list.=20 We have not found our anti-imperialist positions to be a hindrance.=20 To the contrary, we have found them to be essential to relating to=20 people in this country as well as people all over the world.=20 TONC also takes the Millions More Movement's march on Wash. DC on=20 October 15 very seriously and we are already beginning to strategize=20 as to how we can best unite the struggle against the war with that=20 effort. We don't want the two dates, October 15, and Sept. 24, just=20 three weeks apart, to compete with each other. Central to TONC's=20 strategy will be to utilize Sept. 24 to build the Millions More=20 Movement events in mid Oct.=20 As we said in our unity call, unity does not mean uniformity. Our=20 challenge as a movement is to think big and act big so that we can=20 really help to set back the Empire's designs on the rest of the=20 Middle East, and the world.=20 Bush has already lost the war abroad. It's up to us to make sure that=20 he loses it at home. If our movement can seriously dedicate itself to=20 this goal, we will be helping all of the peoples of the world who are=20 struggling against the empire.=20 All are welcome to participate in TONC's Strategy Meeting on Saturday=20 June 11 at the New School For Social Research, 55 West 13 street,=20 from 11:AM to 5:PM in New York City, where we will be devoting a=20 session of the meeting to a continuation of the unity discussion.=20 The Troops Out Now Coalition=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Endorse the CALL for UNITY online=20 Unity Call to the Anti-War Movement from the Troops Out Now Coalition=20 The Troops Out Now Coalition (TONC) wholeheartedly and unreservedly=20 joins the activists and groups who are calling for a united=20 mobilization against the war in the fall. The absence of such unity=20 amongst the anti-war coalitions only serves to demoralize rank and=20 file anti-war activists and local forces across the country. The=20 grassroots of the movement are looking to those of us who make=20 decisions to put our differences aside in the interests of the=20 struggle to get the U.S. the hell out of Iraq.=20 Achieving unity isn't easy but the power of unity is the thing that=20 will give everyone the confidence to do what needs to be done.=20 Moreover, the people of Iraq and throughout the Middle East need the=20 movement in this country to unite. The whole world is looking to us=20 to do it. TONC welcomes the sentiments of all who have signed on to=20 the unity statement that is being circulated by USLAW. TONC would add=20 to that call that the movement needs to reach out in a more serious=20 way not only to trade unionists that are active in the anti-war=20 movement, but also to working people and people of color. In the=20 Million Worker March Movement you have trade unionists that are=20 people of color at the helm.=20 These trade unionists are leading the way in helping to bring the=20 workers movement and the anti-war movement together. Let us make sure=20 that our appeal extends to them as well as others including=20 immigrants who are all too often under-represented.=20 An important part of forging any meaningful unity will, of necessity,=20 require that the anti-war movement both acknowledges and unites with=20 the struggle of people of color and the events that carry their=20 message. The call for a "Millions More March" on the tenth=20 anniversary of the "Million Man March" has gone out far and wide. The=20 Millions More March will extend over 3 days next fall, October 14, 15=20 and 16, including a massive march on Washington DC. It goes without=20 saying that many of us will be pre-occupied with this important=20 mobilization. This is something that needs to be respected.=20 TONC believes that the time has come for all of us to unite around=20 the demand to bring the troops home immediately. This in no way means=20 that other demands should not be put forth.=20 We absolutely must talk about the war budget and how it's robbing=20 workers and poor people.=20 We must talk about the prospect of the draft being revived. We must=20 find ways of reaching out to resisters inside the military.=20 Moreover, we don't believe that uniting must mean censoring,=20 silencing or excluding the positions of those who are participating=20 in that unity.=20 The antiwar movement must not turn its back on the Palestinian people=20 and their struggle. In addition, the position that the Iraqi people=20 have a right to resis t occupation by whatever means they choose=20 cannot be censored or excluded.=20 We don't think that it helps us to make no mention of the threats=20 against Venezuela or Cuba or Iran or North Korea and simply pretend=20 that these problems don't exist. We believe that the movement must=20 address the ongoing occupation of Haiti and Afghanistan; the=20 imperialist designs on Zimbabwe, the Philippines, Colombia and all=20 the peoples of Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Caribbean and Latin=20 America. Others may have different priorities. The anti-war movement=20 must ensure that all oppressed communities have an equal place at the=20 table, where their issues and concerns are represented.=20 Unity does not mean uniformity--the main thing is for the basis of=20 unity to be clear.=20 It's not necessary for us to ask of each other that we forget neither=20 our differences nor the unpleasantness of past conflicts. All that is=20 required is that we not let any of that get in the way of joining=20 hands to grasp the opportunities that only unity makes possible.=20 There is a high road. On that road, questions are answered, problems=20 are solved and the means and methods necessary to move forward are=20 found.=20 Nothing is more important at this moment than for all to walk=20 together on the high road to unity. We believe that what we all do=20 will be decisive. We must and we can stop the war and get every U.S.=20 soldier out of Iraq.=20 It is up to all of us to do whatever is necessary for our movement to=20 rise to this challenge.=20 TONC is holding a regional meeting on Saturday, JUNE 11. A special=20 session of this meeting will be devoted to continuing the discussion=20 on unity and we will be extending invitations to groups to=20 participate in that discussion.=20 You can help! Endorse this call. Pass it on to others.=20 Endorsers include: (The updated complete list of more than 600=20 endorsers is available online. )=20 Action 21, Jersey City, NJ Al-Awda, NY Artists and Activists United for Peace BAYAN-USA Code Pink, Bremerton, WA Cuba Solidarity New York Fanmi Lavalas F.I.S.T. - Fight Imperialism, Stand Together! Guerrero Azteca Project, Escondido, CA Harlem Tenants Council International Action Center Korea Truth Commission Millions for Mumia Movement in Motion Network in Solidarity with the People of the Philippines - NISPOP New Jersey Solidarity - Activists for the Liberation of Palestine NY Committee to Defend Palestine North Carolina Free Speech League, Winston Salem, NC NYC Labor Against the War Phil Berigan Institute for Nonviolence, Reading, PA=20 Queers For Peace And Justice, New York, NY Tejanos For Truth, Austin, TX USWA Local 8751, Boston School Bus Drivers, Boston, MA Veterans for Peace, Chapter 099, Waynesville, NC Womens Fightback Network, Boston, MA Michael Berg Wilmington, DE Jack Dalton, columnist, Project for the Old American Century.org*,=20 Portland, OR Rev. Arthur Donart, PhD., Prince of Peace Catholic Parish*, Clinton, IA Beatrice Einhorn, UFT (AFL-CIO)*, New York, NY Leslie Feinberg, National Steering Committee, National Writers'=20 Union/UAW*, Jersey City, NJ Stephen Funk, Conscientious Objector, US Marines*, San Francisco, CA Steve Gillis, President, USWA Local 8751 Boston School Bus Drivers*,=20 Boston, MA Teresa Gutierrez, NYC Coordinator, Committee to Free the Cuban 5*,=20 New York, NY Isolt Lea, MFSO, GI Rights Hotline*, Gainesville, Florida Siu Hin Lee, Peace No War Network, South Pasadena, CA Ardeshir Ommani, Coordinator, American-Iranian Friendship Committe,=20 Armonk, NY Andre' Powell, Executive Board, AFSCME Local 112, Maryland*, Baltimore, MD Minnie Bruce Pratt, lesbian writer, National Writers Union*, Jersey=20 City, New Jersey Sharon Smith, National Organizer, International Socialist=20 Organization, Chicago, IL Fernando Suarez del Solar, Guerrero Azteca Project, Escondido, Ca *=3Dfor identification only *=3Dfor identification only=20 How You Can Help: Forward this email=20 Endorse the CALL for UNITY online -=20 http://www.troopsoutnow.org/unityendorse.html Form a local organizing center -=20 http://www.troopsoutnow.org/may1orgcentsignup.html Donate to help with organizing expenses -=20 http://www.troopsoutnow.org/donate.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- LETTER FROM UFPJ ON THE ANTIWAR MOBILIZATION IN WASHINGTON DC - SEPT 24- 26= =20 Dear UFPJ Member Groups:=20 We're writing to update you on a major change in our coalition's=20 plans: the national steering committee of UFPJ has decided to shift=20 the anti-war mobilization planned for September 10 in New York City=20 to a September 24-26 mobilization in Washington, D.C. We are excited=20 about the new plans and will soon be circulating our call to action.=20 But first we want to make sure all of the UFPJ member groups=20 understand the decision. Please take a moment to read this memo and=20 then share it with others in your group.=20 At the UFPJ National Assembly in February, there was tremendous=20 support for organizing a major anti-war demonstration this fall. More=20 specifically, the Assembly agreed that UFPJ should organize a=20 demonstration in New York City on September 10, which would be right=20 before heads of state come to the United Nations for the Millennium+5=20 Review.=20 Soon after the Assembly, we learned that there were serious problems=20 with that date. The Central Labor Council of NYC will be holding its=20 annual Labor Day parade on September 10, a parade that usually=20 includes upwards of 100,000 trade union members. It would be both=20 impractical and politically unwise for us to call for some other=20 major action that same day. In addition, a large international=20 coalition of groups that work on global debt and poverty issues have=20 targeted September 10 as a day they will be issuing a call for=20 action. While we can see a clear connection between the hundreds of=20 billions of dollars poured into the war in Iraq and the urgent need=20 to re-order global economic priorities in order to eradicate hunger=20 and poverty, we do not wish in any way to compete with those groups'=20 desire to keep the public spotlight squarely on their issues that=20 weekend.=20 The decision to change the date and location was not made lightly:=20 these issues were discussed at several steering committee meetings as=20 well as within the administrative committee. Th e UFPJ National=20 Steering Committee took into account the range of other political=20 priorities set by the National Assembly, and particularly the clearly=20 stated desire for the peace and justice movement to increase the=20 pressure on pro-war politicians in Congress.=20 Therefore, United for Peace and Justice has decided to organize a=20 weekend of action - Sept. 24 - 26 - in Washington, DC against the=20 U.S. war and occupation in Iraq:=20 Saturday, Sept. 24: massive march, rally, and festival Sunday, Sept.=20 25: interfaith religious service; trainings in direct action and=20 grassroots lobbying Monday, Sept. 26: lobby day and mass nonviolent=20 direct action and civil disobedience These three days of actions will=20 send a clear message to the White House and to Congress: this immoral=20 and illegal war must end. Our demands will call for a new direction:=20 Bring the troops home now, leave no bases behind; stop bankrupting=20 our communities with war appropriations, and get militar y recruiters=20 out of our schools.=20 The steering committee's discussions about this started at its first=20 in-person meeting over the April 9-10 weekend. In the six weeks since=20 then there have been several steering committee and administrative=20 committee conference calls. On the May 2nd steering committee=20 conference call there was agreement to explore both the Sept. 17th=20 and the Sept. 24th weekends, with the intention of trying to decide=20 on a date as quickly as possible.=20 As our discussions took place other developments were unfolding,=20 which we want to be sure our member groups are fully informed about.=20 Several weeks ago US Labor Against War (USLAW), a member group of=20 UFPJ with representation on our National Steering Committee,=20 initiated a public process aimed at pulling together UFPJ, ANSWER and=20 the Troops Out Now Coalition (led by the International Action Center)=20 for a meeting to discuss the possibility of a joint demonstration=20 this fall. In light of past problems working with these groups, the=20 UFPJ National Steering Committee expressed serious reservations about=20 such a joint action, but agreed to participate in such a discussion,=20 should USLAW convene it. The UFPJ co-chairs and national coordinator=20 had several conversations with USLAW leadership expressing concerns=20 about their process and relaying the decisions of the steering=20 committee, including our willingness to take part in such a meeting.=20 In the meantime, while our steering and administrative committees=20 were engaged in discussions about the feasibility of organizing a=20 September 17 or 24 action in D.C., ANSWER, on the morning of May 12,=20 issued a public call for a national march on Washington on Saturday,=20 September. 24. Their call to action has these major demands: Stop the=20 War in Iraq; End Colonial Occupation from Iraq to Palestine to Haiti.=20 Other demands in their call are: Support the Palestinian People's=20 Right of Return; Stop the Threats Against Venezuela, Cuba, Iran &=20 amp; North Korea; U.S. out of the Philippines; Bring all the Troops=20 Home Now; Stop the Racist, Anti-Immigrant and Anti-Labor Offensive at=20 Home, Defend Civil Rights.=20 In the evening of that same day the leadership of ANSWER sent an=20 email to UFPJ that proposed what they called "a united front between=20 our two coalitions" to jointly organize a Washington, DC=20 demonstration on September 24. It should be noted that the ANSWER=20 memo to UFPJ came well after their call to action had already been=20 released. As has happened in the past, ANSWER publicly announced the=20 political platform of the action and then called for "unity" around=20 their demands. Members of the UFPJ steering committee were troubled=20 about this process and there was further discussion about how to=20 proceed. On May 16th, the Troops Out Now Coalition then issued their=20 letter supporting the ANSWER call, adding their view that, "the Iraqi=20 people have a right to resist occupation by whatever means they=20 choose cannot be ce nsored or excluded."=20 On the most recent conference call of the UFPJ steering committee=20 (May 18), a decision was made to proceed with our plans as outlined=20 above. This means that while we applaud all efforts and activities to=20 end the war and occupation in Iraq, UFPJ will not join with ANSWER=20 (or the Troops Out Now Coalition) in the planning and organizing of=20 the September 24-26 mobilization in Washington, DC. We will organize=20 a massive march, rally, and festival on September 24; ANSWER may well=20 decide to have a separate event in Washington on that day. We want to=20 be clear. Our call will be an open invitation to groups who want to=20 end the war and bring our troops home now, and who agree with our=20 demands, to join us in the streets. We welcome everyone, including=20 ANSWER and the Troops Out Now Coalition, to organize contingents or=20 feeder marches into our demonstration that day. Our steering=20 committee agreed that should USLAW still decide to convene the=20 meeting described a bove that UFPJ will participate, but only to=20 discuss logistical concerns for that weekend.=20 This was not an easy decision. The UFPJ Steering Committee recognizes=20 that there is widespread interest in seeing many antiwar forces=20 working together. But based on our past two and a half years=20 experience, it will not be possible to work with ANSWER or the Troops=20 Out Now Coalition on a joint action this fall. We believe any efforts=20 to work together must begin with developing common, jointly agreed=20 upon political demands and be based upon a style of organizing=20 grounded in mutual respect. We take very seriously the mandate of the=20 UFPJ National Assembly to build the broadest, most diverse anti-war=20 movement possible as a key strategy for bringing an end to this war.=20 Our primary commitment is building this movement, including the fall=20 mobilization, in a way that makes it possible for the largest and=20 widest array of people to come together in opposition to the war,=20 including military families, Iraq war veterans and other veterans,=20 and the labor movement. This commitment has an impact on everything=20 we do: from the nature of the program, to the articulation of our=20 demands, to the ways we do our organizing.=20 UFPJ is also committed to building a movement culture based on trust,=20 respect, principled action, democratic decision-making, and=20 good-faith communication. Both the national coalition and a number of=20 our regional remember groups have had extremely negative experiences=20 on all these grounds throughout our history of working with ANSWER or=20 the International Action Center. While professing to desire unity,=20 ANSWER and the IAC have repeatedly misrepresented the positions of,=20 attacked, and attempted to isolate and split UFPJ and other antiwar=20 groups, even when we were supposedly in alliances. Now, they once=20 again have announced a political platform and a date for a=20 demonstration without any consultation with us, while on the other=20 hand calling for uni ty.=20 Every day the war in Iraq rages on and people are killed and maimed,=20 lives are ruined, and a once sovereign nation is under the military=20 occupation and corporate control of the United States. We must stay=20 focused on our priorities: building the strongest movement possible=20 in order to end this war, bring our troops home and prevent future=20 wars! We ask all UFPJ member groups to join in the effort to ensure=20 the most successful September mobilization possible.=20 In the coming weeks you will be getting more information about the=20 plans for the Sept. 24-26 weekend, including specific ways your group=20 can get involved. But there is no need to delay: we encourage you to=20 start convening local and/or regional meetings of UFPJ member groups=20 and others to beginning your organizing for the fall mobilization. We=20 look forward to working with you in the coming months.=20 Leslie Cagan, national coordinator (lesliecagan@igc.org) George=20 Friday, national co-chair (george.friday@parksandpeople.org) Judith=20 LeBlanc, national co-chair ( jleblanc@cpusa.org) George Martin,=20 national co-chair (gmartin8@wi.rr.com)=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Discussion on Unity and Strategy=20 SATURDAY JUNE 11=20 11:00 AM - 5:00 PM=20 The New School Lang Center=20 55 W 13th St New York, NY=20 www.TroopsOutNow.org ******************************************* International Action Center - Boston 617-522-6626 iacboston@iacboston.org http://www.iacboston.org http://www.iacenter.org From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Fri Jun 03 05:37:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 13517 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 05:37:16 -0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (204.127.198.35) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 05:37:16 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20050603053646013004g2t6e>; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 05:36:47 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: "GPAX-Discussion" , "snow- news" , "Counter-Recruitment" Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:36:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] NYTimes: Growing Problem for Military Recruiters: Parents Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The New York Times June 3, 2005 Growing Problem for Military Recruiters: Parents By DAMIEN CAVE Rachel Rogers, a single mother of four in upstate New York, did not worry about the presence of National Guard recruiters at her son's high school until she learned that they taught students how to throw hand grenades, using baseballs as stand-ins. For the last month she has been insisting that administrators limit recruiters' access to children. Orlando Terrazas, a former truck driver in Southern California, said he was struck when his son told him that recruiters were promising students jobs as musicians. Mr. Terrazas has been trying since September to hang posters at his son's public school to counter the military's message. Meanwhile, Amy Hagopian, co-chairwoman of the Parent-Teacher-Student Association at Garfield High School in Seattle, has been fighting against a four-year-old federal law that requires public schools to give military recruiters the same access to students as college recruiters get, or lose federal funding. She also recently took a few hours off work to stand beside recruiters at Garfield High and display pictures of injured American soldiers from Iraq. "We want to show the military that they are not welcome by the P.T.S.A. in this building," she said. "We hope other P.T.S.A.'s will follow." Two years into the war in Iraq, as the Army and Marines struggle to refill their ranks, parents have become boulders of opposition that recruiters cannot move. Mothers and fathers around the country said they were terrified that their children would have to be killed - or kill - in a war that many see as unnecessary and without end. Around the dinner table, many parents said, they are discouraging their children from serving. At schools, they are insisting that recruiters be kept away, incensed at the access that they have to adolescents easily dazzled by incentive packages and flashy equipment. A Department of Defense survey last November, the latest, shows that only 25 percent of parents would recommend military service to their children, down from 42 percent in August 2003. "Parents," said one recruiter in Ohio who insisted on anonymity because the Army ordered all recruiters not to talk to reporters, "are the biggest hurdle we face." Legally, there is little a parent can do to prevent a child over 18 from enlisting. But in interviews, recruiters said that it was very hard to sign up a young man or woman over the strong objections of a parent. The Pentagon - faced with using only volunteers during a sustained conflict, an effort rarely tried in American history - is especially vexed by a generation of more activist parents who have no qualms about projecting their own views onto their children. Lawrence S. Wittner, a military historian at the State University of New York, Albany, said today's parents also had more power. "With the draft, there were limited opportunities for avoiding the military, and parents were trapped, reduced to draft counseling or taking their children to Canada," he said. "But with the volunteer armed force, what one gets is more vigorous recruitment and more opportunities to resist." Some of that opportunity was provoked by the very law that was supposed to make it easier for recruiters to reach students more directly. No Child Left Behind, which was passed by Congress in 2001, requires schools to turn over students' home phone numbers and addresses unless parents opt out. That is often the spark that ignites parental resistance. Recruiters, in interviews over the past six months, said that opposition can be fierce. Three years ago, perhaps 1 or 2 of 10 parents would hang up immediately on a cold call to a potential recruit's home, said a recruiter in New York who, like most others interviewed, insisted on anonymity to protect his career. "Now," he said, "in the past year or two, people hang up all the time. " Several recruiters said they had even been threatened with violence. "I had one father say if he saw me on his doorstep I better have some protection on me," said a recruiter in Ohio. "We see a lot of hostility." Military officials are clearly concerned. In an interview last month, Maj. Gen. Michael D. Rochelle, commander of Army recruiting, said parental resistance could put the all-volunteer force in jeopardy. When parents and other influential adults dissuade young people from enlisting, he said, "it begs the question of what our national staying power might be for what certainly appears to be a long fight." In response, the Army has rolled out a campaign aimed at parents, with television ads and a Web site that includes videos of parents talking about why they supported their children's decision to enlist. General Rochelle said that it was still too early to tell if it is making a difference. But Col. David Slotwinski, a former chief of staff for Army recruiting, said that the Army faced an uphill battle because many baby boomer parents are inclined to view military service negatively, especially during a controversial war. "They don't realize that they have a role in helping make the all-volunteer force successful," said Colonel Slotwinski, who retired in 2004. "If you don't, you're faced with the alternative, and the alternative is what they were opposed to the most, mandatory service." Many of the mothers and fathers most adamant about recruitment do have a history of opposition to Vietnam. Amy Hagopian, 49, a professor of public health at the University of Washington, and her husband, Stephen Ludwig, 57, a carpenter, said that they and many parents who contest recruiting at Garfield High in Seattle have a history of antiwar sentiment and see their efforts as an extension of their pacifism. But, he added, parents are also reacting to what they see as the military's increased intrusion into the lives of their children. "The recruiters are in your face, in the library, in the lunchroom," he said. "They're contacting the most vulnerable students and recruiting them to go to war." The access is legally protected. As recently as 2000, said one former recruiter in California, it was necessary to dig through the trash at high schools and colleges to find students' names and phone numbers. But No Child Left Behind mandates that school districts can receive federal funds only if they grant military recruiters "the same access to secondary school students" as is provided to colleges and employers. So although the Garfield P.T.S.A. voted last month to ban military recruiters from the school and its 1,600 students, the Seattle school district could not sign on to the idea without losing at least $15 million in federal education funds. "The parents have chosen to take a stand, but we still have to comply with No Child Left Behind," said Peter Daniels, communications director for the district. In Whittier, a city of 85,000 10 miles southeast of East Los Angeles, about a dozen families last September accused the district of failing to properly advise parents that they had the right to deny recruiters access to their children's personal information. Mr. Terrazas, 51, the father of a Whittier High School junior, said the notification was buried among other documents in a preregistration packet sent out last summer. "It didn't say that the military has access to students' information," he said. "It just said to write a letter if you didn't want your kid listed in a public directory." A few years ago, after Sept. 11, the issue might not have gotten Mr. Terrazas's attention. His father served in World War II, his brother in Vietnam, and he said that he had always supported having a strong military able to defend the country. But after the war in Iraq yielded no weapons of mass destruction, and as the death toll has mounted, he cannot reconcile the pride he feels at seeing marines deliver aid after the tsunami in Asia with his concern over the effort in Baghdad, he said. "Because of the situation we're in now, I would not want my son to serve," he said. "It's the policy that I'm against, not the military." After Mr. Terrazas and several other parents expressed their concern about the school's role in recruitment, the district drafted a new policy. On May 23, it introduced a proposed opt-out form for the district's 14,000 students. The form, said Ron Carruth, Whittier's assistant superintendent, includes an explanation of the law, and boxes that parents can check to indicate they do not want information on their child released to either the military, colleges, vocational schools or other sources of recruitment. Mr. Carruth said that next year the district would also prohibit all recruiters from appearing in classrooms, and keep the military ones from bringing equipment like Humvees onto school grounds, a commonly used recruitment tool. He said that some of the information from the 11-by-17-inch poster that Mr. Terrazas sought to post, including how to verify recruiters' claims about financial benefits, will be part of a pamphlet created by the school for students. And at least a dozen other districts in the area, Mr. Carruth added, up from three in November, are considering similar plans. Unlike Mr. Terrazas, Ms. Rogers, 37, of High Falls in the upper Hudson Valley, had not thought much about the war before she began speaking out in her school district. She had been "politically apathetic," she said. She did not know about No Child Left Behind's reporting requirements, nor did she opt out. When her son, Jonah, said he was thinking of sitting out a gym class that was to be led by National Guard recruiters, Ms. Rogers, who works part time as a clerk at the local motor vehicles office and receives public assistance, said she told him not to be "a rebel without a cause." "In this world," she recalled telling him, "we need a strong military." But then she heard from her son that the class was mandatory, and that recruiters were handing out free T-shirts and key chains - "Like, 'Hey, let's join the military. It's fun,' " she said. First she called the Rondout Valley High School to complain about the "false advertising," she said, then her congressman. On May 24, at the first school board meeting since the gym class, she read aloud from a recruiting handbook that advised recruiters on ways to gain maximum access to schools, including offering doughnuts. A high school senior, Katie Coalla, 18, stood up at one point and tearfully defended the recruiters, receiving applause from the crowd of about 70, but Ms. Rogers persisted. "Pulling in this need for heartstrings patriotic support is clouding the issue," she said. "The point is not whether I support the troops. It's about whether a well-organized propaganda machine should be targeted at children and enforced by the schools." Laura Cummins, in Accord, N.Y., contributed reporting for this article. * Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company From chicoverde@cox.net Tue Jun 14 23:51:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 6885 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2005 23:51:16 -0000 Received: from lakermmtao08.cox.net (68.230.240.31) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 14 Jun 2005 23:51:16 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.101.88.147]) by lakermmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050614235044.RLUM18139.lakermmtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:50:44 -0400 Message-ID: <42AF6D4F.7070005@cox.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:50:39 -0400 From: Michael Canney Reply-To: chicoverde@cox.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: [Peace-discussion] Your tax dollars at work: [Fwd: IDAHO COULD BE HUB FOR SPACE PLUTONIUM WORK] Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: IDAHO COULD BE HUB FOR SPACE PLUTONIUM WORK Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:30:07 -0400 From: "Global Network" Idaho could be hub for plutonium, space work By KATHLEEN O'NEIL http://www.postregister.com/ June 11, 2005 Idaho National Laboratory is poised to become a hub for plutonium production and space-related nuclear projects. The Department of Energy is expected to release an environmental study later this month that evaluates a plan to consolidate plutonium-238 production and manufacture it into batteries at its Idaho site. The batteries would be used to power NASA space crafts as well as for national security uses like running surveillance equipment in remote locations. In addition, INL's Naval Reactors Facility could soon begin designing and eventually manufacturing nuclear reactors to power space missions that need more energy than the batteries could provide. That would probably include a manned mission to Mars. A decision on whether the INL would help design those reactors, and whether the NRF would be home to the work will be made this summer, said Harold McFarlane, an INL deputy associate laboratory director, at a press briefing Friday. Idaho Falls also will soon house the Center for Space Research, a university-organized center that will be affiliated with INL and its new Center for Advanced Energy Studies. The INL already became home to the final step of the plutonium battery production, the assembly of the batteries, in early 2004. The DOE wants to again produce the isotope, which it discontinued making in the mid-1980s, in INL's Advanced Test Reactor. It is the only reactor still operating that is large enough to do so, McFarlane said. DOE also wants move the isolation of the plutonium and its manufacture into pellets that would be encased in corrosion and heat-proof metal from Los Alamos to INL into a proposed $200 million-plus facility. Consolidating the steps done at other DOE sites would mean material wouldn't be transported across the country, reducing safety and security concerns, said John Kotek, deputy manager of the DOE-Idaho office. However, DOE is now also proposing to build a second, smaller plutonium-238 production facility at its Oak Ridge, Tenn., laboratory. That site was originally proposed to be home to the consolidated plutonium work before the DOE changed course two years ago and decided to put it in Idaho. At public hearings in Idaho Falls this spring, residents raised concerns about generating new waste, as well as the possibility of releases of plutonium-238. That type of plutonium has an 80-year half life, much shorter than plutonium-239, which is used in nuclear bombs. But that makes it much more reactive, which is why it makes a good heat source for power. Its high radioactivity also makes it more dangerous if inhaled -- the particles can become lodged in lungs. Employees were accidentally exposed to plutonium on three different occasions at Los Alamos. The Centers for Disease Control found elevated levels of plutonium around the lab and in nonworkers living nearby. Kotek said the DOE is looking at those incidents and would learn from them. "We think this is well within our experience to operate safely," he said. In addition to health risks, Jeremy Maxand, executive director of the Snake River Alliance, a watchdog group, is also concerned about the national security component. Plutonium is still available from Russia for use in non-national security missions, he said. "The INL is going to become a military facility," if it begins making plutonium and reactors for national security missions, Maxand said. "People in Idaho do not want the site tied to these missions." Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space PO Box 652 Brunswick, ME 04011 (207) 729-0517 (207) 319-2017 (Cell phone) globalnet@mindspring.com http://www.space4peace.org http://space4peace.blogspot.com (Our blog) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Sat Jun 25 16:47:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 18512 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 16:47:02 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (204.127.202.56) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 16:47:02 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005062516463401200harm5e>; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:46:34 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: "GPAX-Discussion" Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:46:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] FW: [snow-news] ST: Tacoma-based national temp agency partnering with Army Nat'l Guard to bolster recruits Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: New recruiting ground emerges. David McDonald LOCAL NEWS: Tacoma-based national temp agency partnering with Army National Guard to bolster recruits [Labor Ready, a Tacoma-based temp agency with 700 branches around the U.S., is partnering with the Army Nation Guard to "help boost the dwindling number of recruits," the *Seattle Times* reported Saturday. -- Todd Boyle, founder of Truth in Washington Recruiting and an activist with the Evergreen Peace and Justice Community, a member group of Sound Nonviolent Opponents of War (http://www.snowcoalition.org) (SNOW), said this is a kind of "economic draft": "Many people are vulnerable and need jobs and have no choice but to go into the military." Lisa Chiu of the *Seattle Times* reported: "While [Boyle] prefers this type of adult recruitment to recruitment in high schools, he added that recruiters still omit information regardless of the age of the target audience. 'The presentation is completely oriented around the listener's propensities, so they begin with your need for income and training,' he said. 'All those things are incidental to military service.'" -- Thanks to Mark Nagel for sending this piece. --Mark Jensen] http://www.ufppc.org/content/view/2997/ Local News ARMY NATIONAL GUARD ENLISTS JOB AGENCY By Lisa Chiu Seattle Times June 25, 2005 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002347968_recruiting25m.htm l Faced with nationwide recruitment challenges, the Army National Guard has partnered with Labor Ready, a provider of temporary jobs for unskilled workers, in the hopes the Tacoma-based company's 700 branches across the nation can help boost the dwindling number of recruits. Dressed in Army fatigues yesterday afternoon, Sgt. Nicholas Grossenbacher of the Washington Army National Guard was at the Renton branch of Labor Ready explaining the GI Bill and the National Guard's time commitment of "two days a month, two weeks a year" to a small group. He said he hopes to visit the branch at least once a month. In return for such recruitment stops, Labor Ready hopes to do some recruiting of its own by targeting National Guardsmen and spouses seeking temporary work while they await deployment, or have just returned from duty. At 44, Labor Ready construction worker Denise Tapscott is too old for the National Guard, which has an age-range limit of 17 (with parental consent) to 39. But she said just before the start of yesterday's event: "If I were still young enough, I would go." Tapscott's co-worker, Eddie Savannah, 47, added that the partnership would benefit young people who come to Labor Ready for temporary jobs. "Young people can get a career, a trade. If they're down on their luck, they have an opportunity to get up, to see something new, to see the world," Savannah said of serving in the Guard. "Some people here are only lucky enough to go around the block." But others object to the partnership. Todd Boyle, founder of Washington Truth in Recruiting, said it's an example of an "economic draft." "Many people are vulnerable and need jobs and have no choice but to go into the military," Boyle said. While he prefers this type of adult recruitment to recruitment in high schools, he added that recruiters still omit information regardless of the age of the target audience. "The presentation is completely oriented around the listener's propensities, so they begin with your need for income and training," he said. "All those things are incidental to military service. The real character of military service is killing and being killed." Across the country, the Army National Guard was down in recruitment by 24 percent, according to a recent *Los Angeles Times* report. Grossenbacher said it hasn't been harder to find recruits, just different. "With the war, some do shy away because they think they will be going to Iraq," he said. "And if they sign up for six years, they will probably go somewhere. We can't guarantee they won't." As one of the few workers at yesterday's event of age to join the Guard, 20-year-old Swayne Hoflack said he was undecided, though he said he saw nothing wrong with Guard recruitment at Labor Ready. "I'm trying my own way first, like community college," Hoflack said. "You see what you can do with what you have first. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rebelrot@yahoo.com Sun Jul 10 02:47:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-Peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 25678 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 02:47:34 -0000 Received: from web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com (68.142.201.199) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 02:47:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 31372 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2005 02:47:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B7EGqrpx1PcvYqGa1SYxkE7433ywL7hnQZwgBRmT3E9x2N6GX17HM1mtoMLT0pr7/j5udCjPUeQxQzx5s9XqmX5ZP4oB3wZeDUjEdleOr8AK0OwYy8UkojoiDx1PIiCJCAj8Y5n9RJ+NcCWex9vpPj14Dtq/GoiVXmOBPA4iDEQ= ; Message-ID: <20050710024705.31370.qmail@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.44.123.166] by web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:47:05 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:47:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Rot To: Rebecca Rot , Peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org In-Reply-To: <20050709231000.70288.qmail@web33706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: [Peace-discussion] London Greens statement Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have been trying to post, our lists were down but seem to be back up! Rebecca http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2042 London Greens issue statements 7th Jul 2005 Terrorist attacks condemned by Greens The Green Party of England and Wales have issued the following statements in response to today's terrorist attacks: Jean Lambert Green MEP for London: "This is a cowardly and obscene act of terrorism. Violence solves nothing: it breeds fear and hatred and the world has more than enough of that. At the very point where the G8 have at last begun to talk about poverty and climate change - issues which affect so many millions - there is no clear message coming from these bomb attacks. My heart goes out to the families of the dead and injured, who will doubtless reflect the diversity of London, including race and religion." The European Parliament observed a minute's silence for the victims this morning. Paul Ingram, European Security Issues Spokesperson for the Green Party added: "We deplore the horrific terrorist attacks in London today, and support all efforts to bring the perpetrators to justice. Our thoughts are with the injured, and the friends and family of those who have died. "We would urge people not to panic, and avoid a knee jerk response. We face a variety of threats to our way of life. Terrorists, proliferation of nuclear weapons, resource conflict, and climate change. It is crucial the G8 leaders and the rest of the world face these threats urgently and act accordingly." --------------------------------- Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From chicoverde@cox.net Sun Jul 10 19:20:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 12976 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 19:20:04 -0000 Received: from lakermmtao03.cox.net (68.230.240.36) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 10 Jul 2005 19:20:04 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.101.88.147]) by lakermmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.00 201-2131-123-20050610) with ESMTP id <20050710191935.LSCI22638.lakermmtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:19:35 -0400 Message-ID: <42D174C5.3090807@cox.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:19:33 -0400 From: Michael Canney Reply-To: chicoverde@cox.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org References: <20050710190702.12195.97143.Mailman@petra-k.cagreens.org> X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: [Peace-discussion] SOA Watch update Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: OA Watch Update July 7, 2005 1. Prisoner of conscience updates 2. November Organizing Packets now available! 3. Internship opportunity at SOA Watch this fall 4. "Many Stories, One Vision for a Nuclear Free World" 1. Two Prisoners of Conscience Scheduled for Release We are happy to announce that imprisoned SOA Watch activists Brian DeRouen, of Fairfield, California and Dayton, Ohio, and Aaron Shuman of Oakland, California will be released from federal prisons over the next few days after completing four-month sentences! We also received the exciting news today that after the completion substantial community service requirements, Magistrate G. Mallon Faircloth has dismissed the cases against Alex McCann and another minor, both arrested and tried for their acts of nonviolent civil disobedience at Fort Benning last November. These four human rights activists are among the more than 230 people who have been sentenced for civil disobedience calling for the closure of the SOA/ WHINSEC. We join with the communities, families, supporters and SOA Watch activists around the world in celebrating the witness to truth of these peacemakers - and their releases from prison! Two individuals - Alice Gerard and Sr. Lil Mattingly - remain in prison, completing six month sentences, and two people - Mike Ring and Mary Vaughn - remain on probation. You can support these peacemakers! Click here for prison addresses: http://www.soaw.org/new/article.php?id=322 Click here to learn about other ways to support prisoners: http://www.soaw.org/new/article.php?id=129 2. November Organizing Packets now Available in English and Spanish Are you and others in your community beginning to think about how you'll travel to Fort Benning this November 18-20? Have you started brainstorming creative fundraising possibilities? Are you planning a public video showing to tell others about what their tax money's being used for? Have you wished for a resource to help you get you and your local group down to Columbus, Georgia? If your answer to any of these questions was yes, then we've got a great resource for you! Our 2005 edition of the November Organizing Packet is chock-full of logistical information, fundraising tips, organizing ideas, flyers and much more! And the great news is that it's free! The Organizing Packets are available in either English or Spanish, and there are two ways that you can receive one: -- The packets are available for downloading from our website here: English: http://www.soaw.org/new/article.php?id=1086 Spanish: http://www.soaw.org/new/article.php?id=1090 -- Contact the SOA Watch office with your mailing address, and we'll put one in the mail to you right away. You can reach us by email at info(at)soaw.org or at 202-234-3440. Take advantage of this great, free resource today! 3. Intern this Fall and Make a Difference! SOA Watch is seeking a full-time intern for a three to four-month period this fall. The autumn season is an exciting and busy time in the DC office as we prepare for the November Vigil to Close the SOA/ WHINSEC. Being an intern at SOA Watch means becoming part of the staff, which is made up of paid, unpaid, full-time and part-time activists who are all dedicated to the work of the organization: standing in solidarity with the people of the Americas, working to close the SOA/ WHINSEC and changing US foreign policy. Interns have input into their job descriptions and work. The internship program is generally very flexible and can be shaped for each person. An important part of the work environment is participating in the collective process and supporting each other in our work. A little less than half of the intern's time will be spent doing the general administrative work that all office staff participate in. These duties include answering the phone, responding to e-mail requests, going to the post office, etc. The intern's share of these duties will be no more than any other staff member. A stipend will be available for this internship position. For more information, contact John Stith in the SOA Watch at 202-234-3440 or jstith(at)soaw.org . Please share this message with anyone you think might be interested in dedicating a few months to working with SOA Watch! 4. "Many Stories, One Vision for a Nuclear Free World" National Conference this August 4-7 Pax Christi USA and the Nevada Desert Experience Commemorate 60th Anniversary of the US Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki Join actor and activist Martin Sheen and former Senator of the Republic of Marshall Islands and advocate for indigenous peoples Tony deBrum this August 4-7 in Las Vegas Nevada at the "Many Stories, One Vision for a Nuclear Free Worl d" national conference. Sponsored by Pax Christi USA and the Nevada Desert Experience, the conference features not only Martin Sheen and Tony deBrum, but Rabbi Arthur Waskow, Janet Chisholm, Frida Berrigan, Dave Robinson and dozens of additional speakers and presenters. All will gather to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the founding of the United Nations, and to challenge the dangerous moves being made by the Bush administration toward new nuclear weapons production and testing. · For a downloadable registration form go to: http://www.paxchristiusa.org/OnlineReg Form.pdf · For a complete schedule of events, including information on workshop presenters, nonviolence trainings, musical and dance performances and more, visit: http://www.paxchristiusa.org/news_eve nts_more.asp?id=735 On Saturday, August 6, demonstrations will also take place in Oak Ridge, Tennessee , the Lawrence Livermore Lab in California and at Los Alamos, New Mexico SOA Watch ~ PO Box 4566 ~ Washington DC 20017 ~ (202)234-3440 ~ www.soaw.org ~ info@soaw.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rebelrot@yahoo.com Mon Jul 18 05:13:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-Peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 8955 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 05:13:49 -0000 Received: from web33715.mail.mud.yahoo.com (68.142.201.212) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 18 Jul 2005 05:13:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 37152 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2005 05:13:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NG9YZSaI0ERRDg5WklYQzefByP5AfpKcHU2d6F1iLP1us/BCci3bt4ARoS36gIEmRQbIsGAfS1fDs8LQXbsyPMSflv8zTDWMBtOMshrFWN62IKP6pbfKqP25ebPaKIXhqKlTdTwplep9aZJAOpsgFNn7Wsk5XG3OknxGFrk43y0= ; Message-ID: <20050718051319.37150.qmail@web33715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.44.110.8] by web33715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:13:19 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:13:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebecca Rot To: Rebecca Rot , Peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org In-Reply-To: <20050415032359.70891.qmail@web14823.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: [Peace-discussion] link forwarded from Dean Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: http://www.humiliationstudies.org/documents/evelin/HumiliationBook1.pdf --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Mon Jul 18 14:21:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 1488 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 14:21:35 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (204.127.202.59) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 18 Jul 2005 14:21:35 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005071814210401400mh62te>; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:21:04 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: "GPAX-Discussion" Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:23:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252" Subject: [Peace-discussion] FW: [A-List] Commentary: The Barbaric And The Civilized Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I encourage GPAXers to read the statement below by Chandra Muzaffar, a member of the Jury of Conscience of the World Tribunal on Iraq, which recently met in Istambul and was whited out in thye American press. In my opinion the statement stands squarely against the use of terror against civilians, but puts that violence against innocents in a global context that is accurate and meaningful. David McDonald Seattle http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=7/18/2005&Cat=14&Num=001 Tehran Times July 17, 2005 The barbaric and the civilized By Chandra Muzaffar It is unanimous that the dastardly bomb attacks in London on July 7, 2005 were a barbaric act. There is no other way of describing the planned, premeditated targeting of civilians. It is political violence of this sort that constitutes stark, naked terrorism. While all of us would regard the terrorist act that occurred on 7/7 as barbaric, some of us would be deeply disturbed by statements attributed to British and American leaders in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy which sought to present themselves as men upholding the canons of civilized conduct. In their view - and in the sight of the media - they were "defenders of civilization" under siege from barbaric elements. Nothing can be further from the truth. If it is barbaric to murder 52 civilians in London, is it civilized to kill 100,000 civilians in Iraq? For that is the number of civilians who have died in Iraq as a result of the Anglo-American occupation of that land since March 2003, according to a Johns Hopkins University study. Is it civilized to use cluster munitions, incendiary bombs, depleted uranium (DU) and chemical weapons against a civilian population? As a member of the Jury of Conscience of the World Tribunal on Iraq (WTI) which sat in Istanbul from 23 to 27 June 2005, I was presented detailed evidence by expert witnesses on "how leukemia has risen sharply in children under the age of five residing in those areas which had been targeted by DU." I heard accounts of how the occupying forces deliberately directed attacks upon hospitals, residential neighborhoods, electricity stations and water purification plants. The total destruction of the city of Falluja is testimony to this. It is a city where even children, pregnant women, elderly persons and wounded civilians were sprayed with bullets. And lest we forget, what about the cruel, degrading torture of prisoners in not only Abu Ghraib but also in Mosul, Camp Bucca and Basra? Is that a mark of civilization? Do civilized people desecrate the cultural and archaeological heritage of one of the oldest civilizations on earth? Is the massive environmental and ecological devastation of Iraq brought about by the occupation an act of civilization? The "civilized" destruction of Iraq did not begin with its occupation in 2003. The severe inhuman economic sanctions against the people of Iraq over a period of 12 years beginning in August 1990 had already killed at least 650,000 children. How can civilized leaders preside over such inhumanity? But Iraq is only the latest victim of the "civilized" embrace of the great centers of Western imperial power. We still remember Vietnam, whose soil is soaked with the blood of millions of men, women, and children who were slaughtered mercilessly as they first resisted French and then American aggression. The latter had no qualms about using such "civilized" weapons as Agent Orange and napalm as it attempted to crush the "barbaric" Vietcong. Other "barbaric" nations in Asia and Africa have their own tragic tales to tell of the colossal price they had to pay when they came face to face with the "civilized" marauders from the West. It has been estimated that in the decades of Western colonial subjugation of the two continents some 40 million lives were lost. But the continent that has suffered most at the hands of Western civilization is of course Latin America. From the extermination of the indigenous peoples from the 15th century onwards (perhaps some 30 million people were killed) to the elimination of opponents of U.S. imperialism in the 20th century, it is a continent which has borne the full brunt of the "civilizing mission" of powerful aggressors. The point is simple. Leaders in the West, specifically those in London and Washington in the present context, have no moral authority to talk of civilized standards. One should realize that when these leaders kill civilians it is invariably part of some nefarious plan to conquer someone else's land, or to control someone else's resources, or to establish one's hegemonic power. In other words, civilian slaughter has been an integral dimension of the numerous wars of aggression that the centers of power in the West have undertaken in the course of the last one thousand years, the Iraq adventure being the latest. Of course, non-Western states have also embarked upon wars of aggression. Whoever the perpetrator, a war of aggression by its very nature is a far greater evil than any other violence we know, as the Nuremberg Trial observed. It follows from this that the killing of civilians in such wars is, from a moral perspective, more barbaric than the senseless, mindless violence that those who are fighting subjugation and occupation sometimes engage in. Thus, in specific language, the occupiers of Iraq have been more barbaric than the London bombers. Why is it that most people are not aware of this? Why is it that the barbaric deeds of those who claim to be civilized are not part of the popular consciousness? The main reason is the reality of global power. Those who have donned the robe of civilization happen to be the rulers of the world at this juncture of history. They are in a position to shape the global discourse on what is right and what is wrong, who is good and who is evil. Their power is so overwhelming that they have transformed oppressor into liberator; aggressor into victim; warmonger into peacemaker. Which is why the barbaric masquerade as the civilized today. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "stopnato" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: stopnato-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From adog2@earthlink.net Wed Jul 20 17:54:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 14278 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 17:54:45 -0000 Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (209.86.89.63) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 17:54:45 -0000 Received: from [63.13.234.37] (helo=computer) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DvImJ-00040w-SO for peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:54:44 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=S8YCkWRqPFN104qDeIs9UU9XsZuDQp2H7z1azFyRSQ0PvJ2XgDXxW9hjl6mBk7eC; Message-ID: <016f01c58d54$314fa680$0a0110ac@computer> From: "Tim Casebolt" To: "PAX-discussion" Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:55:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ELNK-Trace: 5b0a68cd7db84fa074bf435c0eb9d47883d6c9327212dc5da64e81781f30c9bd75caa03db16236c1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 63.13.234.37 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Fw: [SDCPJ] Fwd: [abolition-caucus] Invitation to World Peace Forum 2006, June 23 - 28, 2006 Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Invitation to World Peace Forum 2006, June 23 - 28, 2006 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada "Cities and Communities: Working Together to End War and Build a = Peaceful, Just and Sustainable World" World Peace Forum 2006 #420 - 550 West 6th Avenue, Vancouver, BC V5Z 1A1 Tel: 604-687-3223/ Fax: 604-687-3277 Email: admin@worldpeaceforum.ca=20 Web: www.worldpeaceforum.ca=20 An Invitation to the World: The World Peace Forum Society and the City of Vancouver Peace and = Justice Committee invites you to attend the World Peace Forum 2006, June = 23 - 28, 2006 in Vancouver, City of Peace. Vision and Objectives The World Peace Forum 2006 is a major international gathering in = Vancouver on the issues of peace and sustainability. The Forum will be = broad in scope. It will provide an umbrella under which movements and = organizations working on peace and sustainability issues: including = city representatives, indigenous people, women, youth, labour, seniors = and all concerned citizens, who will come together, network and = demonstrate to the world that there is a growing international = commitment to peace, justice and sustainability. More than 50% of the world's peoples live in cities. Working in our = own communities we can build a movement for global change. The = groundswell of opposition to the U.S. led war on Iraq say major = demonstrations in 600+ cities around the world in 2003. It was = organized city by city by hundreds of thousands of activists linked via = the Internet. Cities and local authorities, acting with community support, can = effectively contest global militarism. We can curtail ballooning = military budgets which starve local and regional governments of the = resources necessary to provide quality housing, health, education and = community services. Our challenge is to co-ordinate the networks of = civic and social movements to work towards a peaceful, just and = sustainable world, city by city, across nations and internationally. A culture of peace: "a set of values, attitudes, modes of behaviour = and ways of live that reject violence and prevent conflicts by tackling = their root cause to solve problems through dialogue and negotiation = among individuals, groups and nations." (UN Resolution, A/RES/52/13) Vancouver City Embraces World Peace Forum 2006 Vancouver's City Council has unanimously embraced the World Peace = Forum 2006, inclusive of financial support, to be held in cooperation = with the UN's World Urban Forum June 19 - 23, 2006 also in Vancouver. = Coordination of the World Peace Forum 2006 with the World Urban Forum = presents a unique opportunity to dialogue and to build effective = networks. Already national and international organizations are planning = to hold their meetings in Vancouver to dovetail with the Forum, such as: =B7 World Peace Council North American Division, =B7 International Association of Peace Messenger Cities, =B7 Mayors for Peace and Cities for Peace, =B7 World Federalists of Canada, =B7 UN Association (Canada), =B7 International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear = War, =B7 International Education Forum - BC Teachers' Federation = and Education International, =B7 Canadian PUGWASH AGM, =B7 Abolition 2000. Others are in the planning stage. Significant overlapping events = include: =B7 World Youth Congress and =B7 The Earth Festival International Input Critical The World Peace Forum 2006 will build on existing regional peace and = justice networks, with special attention paid to involving people from = the global south. The program of the World Peace Forum 2006 will be established as much = as possible by those organizations that participate in the Forum. We = want the program to reflect the concerns of the peace and sustainability = communities worldwide. We invite organizations to propose seminars or workshops with the = above themes, or propose new themes for consideration. To date the following themes have emerged: Justice;=20 Bridging the Generations - Living and Learning:=20 Youth Against War;=20 Cities and Peace: Building a Culture of Peace;=20 Women against Wars against Women;=20 Ending Racism - Ending War; Indigenous Peoples & Peace;=20 Resources 4 People not Militarism; Sustainability and the Environment;=20 Impunity and International Law: Redress & Reconciliation;=20 Faith & Spirituality;=20 Preventing the Weaponization of Space; A U.N. Space Preservation Treaty Ballistic Missile Defence;=20 Nuclear Disarmament;=20 Arts and Culture for Peace;=20 Human & Ecological Security; Labour & Peace;=20 Peace Education;=20 Peace & Public Health;=20 Peace & Public Education; Water & Peace;=20 and Peace & Housing;=20 Regional fora on the Middle East, Asia, Africa, Europe, Micronesia and = the Americas are being planned. Some proposals already received are similar to others received. As we = see potential affinity between organizations' proposals, we will put = like minded, complementary organizations in tough with one another. We = will propose they explore what possibilities might exist for broader, = more collaborative approaches. Our intention is that the consultative = process leading up the World Peace Forum 2006 is itself a capacity = building process locally and internationally. The Forum will integrate culture and content throughout the program. Contact: Jef Keighley, Executive Director- Outreach jkeighley@worldpeaceforum.ca=20 Lynn Hainsworth: Executive Director - Operations lhainsworth@worldpeaceforum.ca=20 Tania Aquila: Administrative Coordinator admin@worldpeaceforum.ca=20 www.worldpeaceforum.ca=20 We look forward to welcoming you at the world Peace Forum 2006 June = 23rd to June 28th. 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Terms of = Service.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From chicoverde@cox.net Fri Jul 22 01:52:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 28100 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 01:52:44 -0000 Received: from lakermmtai15.cox.net (68.230.240.44) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 01:52:44 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.101.88.147]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050722015059.WELV11216.lakermmtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:50:59 -0400 Message-ID: <42E050FD.8050805@cox.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:50:53 -0400 From: Michael Canney Reply-To: chicoverde@cox.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peace-discussion X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: [Peace-discussion] [Cuba] Floridians organize hurricane relief Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: THE ST. AUGUSTINE-BARACOA FRIENDSHIP ASSOCIATION True friendships can transcend cultural and ideological differences P.O. Box 861086, St. Augustine, Fl 32086 Tel/Fax. +904 461-3175; sole@aug.com http://www.staugustine-baracoa.org July 21, 2005 Dear Friends, Once again Cuba has been hit squarely by a major hurricane. The damage has been extensive, affecting several regions including much of Santiago, Granma, Cienfuegos and Havana. With strong support from our local community, the Friendship Association has managed to send seven shipments filled with humanitarian aid to the disadvantaged people of Cuba. Our volunteers have given their time and energy to help with our material aid drives. Now we have a new challenge - to respond to the destruction left by Hurricane Dennis. We must move swiftly. Please consider volunteering to help collect and pack goods to fill the 40' container that will bring relief to those most affected by the hurricane. We are coordinating with other groups throughout the country and will be shipping from Chicago (Working Bikes Cooperative), Charlotte, N.C., and Miami, Florida. Basic needs are clothing and shoes (must be in excellent condition - only summer clothes and no sizes larger than #16 women, #38 men), mattresses (no stains or tears), disinfectants, cleaning agents, personal hygiene items, sheets, towels, hammers, saws and other tools, nails, screws, lanterns, flashlights, batteries, bicycles, bike pumps, etc. We also desperately need used suitcases to pack clothes in. They can be old, but they must close properly and be clean inside. St. Augustinians can drop off your suitcases at Castaways (behind Amici's on the corner of SR 312 and A.1.A. South). Do not drop off other donations before contacting us. Finally, we need financial support to ship the containers to Cuba. Please help in any way you can. The Friendship Association is a registered 501(c)(3) charity . Your donation is tax-deductible. Make checks out to the Friendship Association earmarked for hurricane relief. Call Sali at 904 461 3175 for more information on how you can help. Sincere thanks, Kristy Weeks, Coordinator Humanitarian Aid Committee --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From chicoverde@cox.net Fri Jul 22 01:56:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 28228 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 01:56:05 -0000 Received: from lakermmtai09.cox.net (68.230.240.50) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 01:56:05 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.101.88.147]) by lakermmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050722015503.WHCP11216.lakermmtao02.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: <42E051F0.2050009@cox.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:54:56 -0400 From: Michael Canney Reply-To: chicoverde@cox.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peace-discussion X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: [Peace-discussion] [Cuba] Pastors for Peace Cuba Caravan Blocked at border by feds Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: URGENT -- Pastors for Peace Cuba Caravan Barred at US-Mexico Border PLEASE CONTACT THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT or your own states' CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES: EMERGENCY NETWORKS AND PRESS CONTACTS: SPREAD THE WORD FAR AND WIDE! As of 1:30 pm EDT Thursday, July 21, 2005, The Pastors for Peace Friendshipment Caravan to Cuba is being held up at the US-Mexico border by US Commerce Department officials. They are threatening to search every vehicle and every item of humanitarian aid. They are telling us that "only licensable goods will be allowed to cross into Mexico." Pastors for Peace does not accept or apply for a license to deliver humanitarian aid to Cuba. There are 130 US citizens traveling with the caravan. They and the humanitarian aid are traveling in eight busses, a box truck and two small cars. It will take days to inspect the 140 tons of aid. We are prepared to do whatever we need to do to deliver our humanitarian aid to Cuba. Stay posted... posted by caravanista @ 12:49 PM For updates check http://www.caravan16.blogspot.com/ or http://www.ifconews.org ========================================== July 21, 2005 Dear Cuba Policy Advocates: We want to make you aware of a developing situation regarding a humanitarian aid shipment to Cuba by Pastors for Peace. Many of you know Pastors for Peace and their humanitarian efforts to deliver needed material aid to Cuba, in spite of the restrictions that the U.S. government imposes on U.S. citizens who wish to engage in a positive manner with Cuba. We just received the following statement from Pastors for Peace from the border at McAllen, Texas, where the U.S. Department of Commerce has halted the progress of the aid caravan. This could develop into a serious situation, as the caravan is without sufficient food for the 130 U.S. citizens accompanying it to last for the days that it would take for the Commerce Department to inspect all the vehicles and boxes of aid being transported by the caravan. A policy that denies the unrestricted delivery of humanitarian aid to a neighbor country in urgent need in the wake of a devastating hurricane is a policy that needs to be changed. In solidarity, Mavis Anderson Philip Schmidt Latin America Working Group www.lawg.org Statement Received by Telephone from Pastors for Peace from McAllen, TX Thursday, July 21, 2005; 1:45 p.m. ET Pastors for Peace Caravan held at the Border Commerce Department officials say they will search every vehicle and every box of humanitarian aid. Only licensable goods will be allowed to cross into Mexico. Pastors for Peace does not accept licenses for humanitarian aid. There are 130 U.S. citizens traveling with the Caravan and eight buses, a box truck, and two small cars. It will take days to inspect the 140 tons of aid, and we are prepared to do whatever we need to do to get our aid across the border. ### ***************************************************************************** PLEASE TAKE ACTION NOW! 1) Call Scott Kamen, Congressional Aide of Affairs at the Department of Commerce, at 202-482-0097 and demand that the Caravan be allowed to cross the border with all of its humanitarian cargo. 2) Call your Congressperson and ask them to call Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez at 202-482-2000, or Scott Kamen at 202-482-0097. If you don't know how to reach your Congressperson, go to http://www.house.gov/ and enter your zip code. That will take you to the Congresspersons home web page where you can find phone and email information. ==================================================== --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Mon Jul 25 17:33:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 7639 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2005 17:33:18 -0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.89) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Jul 2005 17:33:18 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-5-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.5.8]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050725173246014001tp9he>; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:32:47 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: "snow- news" , "GPAX-Discussion" Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:34:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Peace-discussion] FW: [Marxism] UK Stop The War Coalition Press Release On London Shooting Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Original Message----- From: marxism-bounces@lists.econ.utah.edu [mailto:marxism-bounces@lists.econ.utah.edu]On Behalf Of Jscotlive@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:44 AM To: marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism] UK Stop The War Coalition Press Release On London Shooting STOP THE WAR COALITION July 24th, 2005 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE The death of Jean Charles de Menezes, killed by plain clothes police officers on a tube train in London on July 21st, is an outrage which demands an immediate and full public inquiry. According to eyewitnesses, Mr de Menezes was shot five times in the head at point blank range in the style of an extra judicial execution. That he was later found to be completely unconnected with the tragic events which took place in London on July 7th, or the attempted attacks a week later, only adds to the appalling circumstances surrounding his death. The British Government's response to the horrendous loss of life on July 7th, rather than measured or collected, has been designed to create a moral panic in order to divert the public's attention away from their culpability in that loss of life with Britain's involvement in the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, where to date tens of thousands of Iraqi men, women and children have been either slaughtered or maimed. The Prime Minister's empty and bellicose rhetoric of recent days, echoed in many sections of the print and broadcast media, has only served to create an atmosphere of revenge and vigilantism in many sections of society, not least of which, as events have proved, among the police and security services. This has left the entire British Muslim community exposed and in danger, particularly young Muslim males - or, as in the tragic case of Mr de Menezes, any young man who resembles a Muslim male - who now it seems have been deemed legitimate targets for assassination by the State. Tony Blair continues to refuse to admit to any responsibility for the mayhem and carnage caused by his policies either in Iraq or on the streets of London. Stop The War Coalition accuses Mr Blair of having blood on his hands - the blood of the tens of thousands killed to date in Iraq, the blood of the killed and wounded in London on July 7th and now most recently the blood of Jean Charles de Menezes, a young man whose only crime was to have dark skin. We in Stop The War, along with the millions around the world who've consistently marched and protested against the slaughter in Iraq, look forward to the day when Tony Blair and George W Bush are held to account in an international criminal court for crimes against humanity. STATEMENT ENDS. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Marxism mailing list Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism From chicoverde@cox.net Sat Jul 23 02:45:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 15343 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 02:45:31 -0000 Received: from lakermmtao06.cox.net (68.230.240.33) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 02:45:31 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.101.88.147]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050723024456.FVZD10598.lakermmtao06.cox.net@cox.net>; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:44:56 -0400 Message-ID: <42E1AF22.5050509@cox.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:44:50 -0400 From: Michael Canney Reply-To: chicoverde@cox.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alachua Greens CC: flgreenstalk@yahoogroups.com X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: [Peace-discussion] Cuba Caravan update Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Friday, July 22, 2005 IFCO/PASTORS FOR PEACE URGENT ACTION ALERT! PASTORS FOR PEACE CARAVAN TO CUBA CROSSES THE BORDER: "A NEAR-TOTAL VICTORY" - BUT THE FIGHT FOR COMPUTERS FOR CUBAN CHILDREN CONTINUES AT THE REYNOSA-HIDALGO BORDER Pastors for Peace claimed a huge victory today as a tired but excited group of 130 US citizens crossed the US/Mexico border just before daybreak with almost all of the 140 tons of humanitarian aid en route to Cuba and collected by the Pastors for Peace Friendshipment Cuba Caravan. But their struggle to send the computers, which have been blocked by US authorities, is building momentum. AND WE NEED YOUR HELP TO GET THE COMPUTERS TO CUBA! The caravan is composed of seven brightly painted yellow schoolbuses, two box trucks, and several smaller vehicles, all of them loaded with humanitarian aid for Cuba. Yesterday, more than 40 US Customs officers, acting on the instructions of Commerce Department officials, detained the caravan at the border and began to search the vehicles one item at a time. In a 6-hour search of the first two yellow schoolbuses, officials confiscated all of the computers and computer equipment they could find - 11 computers, three monitors, two printers, two scanners, and a variety of computer parts and accessories. Officials then threatened to tow the remaining vehicles carrying the rest of the aid. Meanwhile, members of the caravan walked aid across the border and demonstrated beside the marooned buses. "Our caravans have delivered nearly 2500 tons of aid to Cuba since 1992, all of it without asking permission of the US government. But this year something changed: We have heard that government officials 'at the highest level' made a special determination that this year our Pastors for Peace caravan would not pass," said Rev. Walker. "We've already proved them wrong: 95% of our caravan has already crossed into Mexico and is headed toward Cuba. Now we're determined to get our computers to Cuba as well. "When those first computers were seized, we decided not to give up any more of our precious cargo. We regrouped at a location two blocks away from the border crossing," said Rev. Walker. "There we decided that the best strategy was to send most of the caravan ahead with all the non-contested aid. So we unloaded and reloaded our vehicles, and headed back to the border. Everything but the computers passed through the Customs checkpoint between 3:00 and 6:00am. Just one bus stayed behind, with all our computers on board; and a few of us remain here in Texas to continue the fight for the computers." "Our extraordinary group of committed and hard-working volunteers worked through the night to make sure that our caravan of urgently needed medical supplies and hurricane relief will make it to Cuba on time," said Rev. Lucius Walker, executive director of IFCO/Pastors for Peace. "More than ever we are committed to making sure that all the supplies donated by generous US citizens will get to the Cuban people." The campaign to free the computers has received tremendous support from Capitol Hill and from members of the Pastors for Peace grassroots network nationwide, who are calling on the Commerce Department to demand the release of the Pastors for Peace computers for Cuba and an end to the inhumane blockade. WE NEED YOU TO ADD YOUR VOICE TO THIS CAMPAIGN AND MAKE THESE CALLS: * Call Capitol Hill and let your senators and rep know that the Pastors for Peace computers must be freed to go to Cuba. Ask them to call the Commerce Department to urge/demand that the computers be released. (Congressional switchboard: 202-225-3121). * Call Mr. Turner, Director of Enforcement at the Commerce Department (202-482-5036), and demand that the computers be allowed to go to Cuba. * Mobilize every network and organization you know; ask them to make these same calls, and publicize this story! Given the new hard-line reaction to our border-crossing, we can probably expect a strong reaction from the US administration when the caravanistas and other travel challengers return to the US. The more publicity we can generate now, the more visibility we'll be able to generate when the caravanistas come home. We have been amazed and impressed by how quickly and broadly our network is mobilizing to get the computers free. Let's work together to make the most of this campaign! For more information: http://www.ifconews.org For the latest updates: http://www.caravan16.blogspot.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From starlene@greens.org Fri Aug 12 23:45:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 19029 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2005 23:45:39 -0000 Received: from ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net (HELO ylpvm29.prodigy.net) (207.115.57.60) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 12 Aug 2005 23:45:39 -0000 Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.218]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7CNjX4u019419 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:45:33 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.112.109.226] Received: from Starlene (adsl-67-112-109-226.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [67.112.109.226]) by pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7CNjZrT361068 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:45:35 -0400 From: "Starlene Rankin" To: peace-discussion@gp-us.org Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:45:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <42FCD226.2967.F0C6099@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [Peace-discussion] Who did what? Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: l. Who supplied Saddam Hussein with weapons when he was a "friend." A. Muslim male extremist, etc. B. Tooth Fairy C. White boy--Reagan and then daddy Bush 2.=A0 Who was an animal lover, vegetarian, raised in a Catholic family and killer of six MILLION? . A. Muslim Male Extremist, etc. B. Tooth Fairy C. White boy--Hitler 3.=A0 Who bombed and killed tens of thousands with the atomic bomb. =A0 A. Muslim Male Extremist, etc. B. Tooth Fairy C. White Boy 4. Who killed, stole the land, destroyed the food of the American Indian. A. Muslim Male Extremist, etc. B. Tooth Fairy C. White boy 5.=A0 Who bombed the Fed. Bldg. in OK City A. Muslim Male Extremist, etc. B. Tooth Fairy C. White boy 6.=A0 Who did nuclear testing and poisoned the downwinders in Utah and surrounding states. A. Muslim Male, etc B. Tooth Fairy C. White boy 7.=A0 Who dropped and continues to drop Depleted Uranium in Iraq poisoning the people and our troops. A. Muslim Male, etc. B. Tooth Fairy C. White boy 8.=A0 Who invaded a country and lied about WMD A. MM B. Tooth Fairy C. White Boy 9.=A0 Who got rid of democratically elected governments in Central and S. America and put in puppets? A. MM B. Tooth Fairy C. White boy American Presidents. 10.=A0 Who denied El Mozote ever happened until they started digging up bodies? A. MM B. Tooth Fairy C. Reagan, white boy 11. Who trains Central and South American military at the School of the Americas=A0 to go back to their countries and control the poor through coercion? A. MM B. Tooth Fair C.=A0 The US White Boys in the Pentagon 12.=A0 Who refuses to meet with the mother of a dead soldier and get answers of why we are in Iraq, why a cancer has spread terror throughout the region and why we are so hated around the world? A. MM B. Tooth Fairy C. White boy bush --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 03:36:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 9564 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 03:36:32 -0000 Received: from s4.cableone.net (24.116.0.230) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 03:36:32 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 28299720 for multiple; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:41:36 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:33:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcWg4W5VOgcdgqWIQ16Ln1IDWLTXOQByWw/g Message-ID: <1124250096_82210@S4.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: **: 2.199000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,From: ends in numbers=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 132, in=294, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Support and endorse national and local anti-escalation, end the occupation gatbering Saturday August 27th 5pm Fivepoints B'ham Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: In line with the Alabama September 24th Coalition demands 1) Stop the killing!2)Support the troops, bring them home now! and, 3) Money for human needs, not for war! Friends of Pax Christi, Birmingham , and UPJC member the Alabama Green Party ask specifically for Birminham Peace Project, Alabama PDA, Tuscaloosa Peace Project, the North Alabama Peace Network, Alabama PeaceFirst!, Military Families Speak Out Alabama and Veterans for Peace Alabama to endorse and support our planned response to the pentagon announced US escalation of 20-30,000 more troops in Afghanistan and Iraq in September. We now add the demand: No escalation, end the occupations! The time, date, and place are 5pm, August 27th, Five Points Birmingham. Guidelines for the pax christi gathering are: "we will show respect for others listen to others, be present to others, be open to others. We commit ourselves to act out of our own non-violence and our own beliefs. We act out of a centered place of prayer as we understand it in our own way." Monitors/peace keepers are encouraged to volunteer in advance: call or email henry at 714 235 6083 cell or above email. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif --- From dbmcdonald@comcast.net Wed Aug 17 21:21:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 9915 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 21:21:12 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (63.240.76.49) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 21:21:12 -0000 Received: from David (c-24-17-110-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.17.110.33]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005081721204001400k4kn2e>; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:20:40 +0000 From: "David McDonald" To: "Tom Barnard" , "GPAX-Discussion" , "KL Shannon" , "snow- news" Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:20:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Subject: [Peace-discussion] FW: [Marxism] Statement From Lawyers Of Brazilian Killed By Police OnLondon Tube Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Original Message----- From: marxism-bounces@lists.econ.utah.edu [mailto:marxism-bounces@lists.econ.utah.edu]On Behalf Of Jscotlive@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:52 AM To: marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism] Statement From Lawyers Of Brazilian Killed By Police OnLondon Tube In the British news yesterday and today, it has emerged that London Met = lied=20 about circumstances surrounding the execution of Jean Charles de Menezes = =20 recently on a London tube train. The police claimed that they attempted = to =20 apprehend de Menezes but that he ran and jumped over the barrier. This = is false. =20 Eyewitness accounts have revealed that at no point was he aware he was = being =20 followed. A decision was made early on in surveillance operation to kill = him.=20 =20 ----------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------ =20 Press Statement #2 Jean Charles de Menezes Response to the evidence made public during the last 24 hours as to the = true=20 circumstances of the death of Jean Charles de Menezes. Yesterday the family of Jean Charles de Menezes and we, their lawyers,=20 became aware through the press that virtually the entire body of = information=20 either placed, or allowed to remain, in the public domain since Jean = Charles=20 de Menezes was killed on July 22nd 2005, has been false. Insofar as the claim of the existence of an official inquiry has = contributed=20 to or provided for a situation in which a blanket of secrecy has = covered the=20 true facts, and lies and scenarios have been allowed to hold good, we = on=20 behalf of the family suggest that claim has constituted a grave public=20 disservice. In consequence, we ask now that the nature and pace and ultimate = objectives=20 of any investigation change. The de Menezes family ask for only one = outcome=20 and that that be swift, that is that the entire truth surrounding Jean=20 Charles death be made public now as a matter of urgency. The public interest coincides completely with the interests of the = family.=20 >From the beginning the most senior of police officers and government=20 ministers including the Prime Minister, claimed the death of Jean = Charles to=20 be an unfortunate accident occurring in the context of an entirely=20 legitimate, justifiable, lawful and necessary policy. In the context of = the=20 lies now revealed, that claim has become even less sustainable and even = more=20 alarming. It is inconceivable that the true facts as revealed = yesterday,=20 were not made known to senior police and ministers immediately; for any = to=20 have made comments publicly without first informing themselves of the = true=20 facts would have been entirely reckless and wrong. >From the outset the family have raised a number of obvious questions 1. How was Jean Charles de Menezes first identified as a suspect and = on=20 what=20 basis? 2. Why was he allowed to board a bus without challenge if he was = indeed a =20 suspect? 3. Why was he allowed to continue his journey unchallenged if he was = a=20 suspect? 4. Why was he allowed to board an underground train if he was a = suspect? 5. When did police identify themselves to him and how? 6. What opportunities were afforded for alternative action other = than =20 execution? 7. What alternative means of incapacitating a suspect were available = on=20 that=20 day; if alternative means were not available why not, and if they were = why=20 were they not used? 8. Where did a =E2=80=9Cshoot to kill=E2=80=9D policy emanate from = and on what claimed=20 legal =20 basis? What public debate and democratic accountability surrounded the =20 coming into being of that policy? 9. Why was the suggestion that five bullets were fired allowed to=20 continue=20 as a public assertion, uncorrected, when there were eight (seven to the = =20 head)? 10. Why were members of the de Menezes family in the UK, having = been=20 made=20 homeless by the securing of Jean Charles=E2=80=99 residence, placed = inaccessibly in=20 a hotel by the police and the telephones in their rooms ordered to be = cut=20 off by the police so that they could not contact Brazil. 11. Why did police officers actively lobby Brazilian officials here = to=20 dissuade Jean Charles=E2=80=99 parents (without a telephone in Brazil) = from=20 obtaining a second post mortem? 12. Why was the pathologist at the post mortem conducted on July = 27th,=20 (at=20 which senior investigating police officers were present) told the = following: =E2=80=9CThis man=E2=80=99s death occurred as part of the emergency = relating to the=20 planting=20 of bombs on public transport in London. On the morning of the 22nd July = 2005=20 he was pursued by armed police officers as a result of surveillance. He = was=20 followed into Stockwell Tube Station where he vaulted over the ticket=20 barrier. He ran downstairs and onto a tube train where it appears that = he=20 stumbled. The officers then immobilised him and a number of shots were=20 fired. At the present time I am not sure as to any further = details.=E2=80=9D 13. Why was he not told of the true facts which clearly by then = must=20 have=20 been available. 14. What CCTV footage from the outside and inside of Stockwell=20 underground=20 station and from within the underground train exists? If there is none, = why=20 is there none? In the light of many of the questions above having been answered during = the=20 last 24 hours by information clearly already in the possession of the=20 police, we emphasise that we are unable to have confidence in any of the = =20 investigative processes that are now on offer in this case. We point in = particular to the failure of the police, in breach of their statutory = duty, =20 to invite the IPPC to commence its investigations from the first moment = of =20 the shootings on July 22nd. A fatal delay of several days, we = understand, =20 occurred thereafter during which time we are unaware that the IPPC = itself =20 proactively attempted to intervene. We have the gravest of concerns. 1. First that evidence may not have been appropriately retrieved by=20 independent investigators and may now have permanently disappeared. We = point=20 in particular to the unresolved question as to whether any CCTV footage = of=20 the station or the train does in fact exist and was retrieved. 2. We observe that a number of written statements by police officers = in=20 direct contradiction to what was previously understood are being = revealed=20 through the press; one in particular points to the fact that Jean = Charles de=20 Menezes was never in fact, appropriately identified as a suspect from = the=20 time of his leaving the house. 3. We do not know whether police officers who appear already to have = made=20 statements in this inquiry have made statements under caution and are = being=20 treated as suspects in relation to a proper investigation of an = unlawful=20 killing, or are being treated instead as only witnesses and not = suspected of=20 any level of involvement in what at its lowest must be gross negligence = (a=20 potential ground for an accusation of unlawful killing). 4. We do not know at what levels police officers, including senior = police=20 officers, are being interviewed and whether under caution or not. We do = not=20 know who is being interviewed and by whom? 5. We do not know whether these include senior police, past and = present=20 who=20 appeared to believe, wrongly, that they were entitled to order a = blanket=20 =E2=80=9Cshoot to kill=E2=80=9D practice. In these circumstances, on behalf of the family, we suggest that a=20 different, urgent, and open inquiry and public debate take place. It is = neither sane nor responsible to have issues of such enormous public=20 importance, as well as of such pain to the family concerned, to be = allowed=20 to drift towards an unspecified date at an unspecified and perhaps=20 inappropriate hearing in the future which may too late consider itself = to be=20 too limited in any event to consider the important issues that have to = be=20 raised here and now. We underline as a reminder, that immense public debate took place=20 immediately after the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes. All of that=20 debate took place and was allowed to take place on entirely wrong = factual=20 assumptions. We are now in a very different situation. Someone with = official=20 access has, it appears, been sufficiently disturbed by that dangerous = position, to make internal documents public. In these circumstances, we = and=20 the family of Jean Charles de Menezes regard the action of revealing = those=20 documents as a true public service and ask that that initiative not now = be=20 undermined by renewed secrecy, delay and inactivity on the part of = those=20 with responsibility for investigation. ________________________________________________ YOU MUST clip all extraneous text before replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 22:23:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 14143 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2005 22:23:29 -0000 Received: from s2.cableone.net (24.116.0.228) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 17 Aug 2005 22:23:29 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 27648560 for multiple; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:21:24 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:18:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <145.4b9e994a.30350a6d@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcWjdYImaQbOrDydSkWRc5w/teMK1gAA6cFg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <1124320884_81745@S2.cableone.net> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 132, in=286, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Yahoo News photo of Green Andrea Garland at Camp Casey & many more of camp Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Leenie Halbert is another fire-brand green from the so-called South making a difference! hank And, for those interested in seeing pictures of Camp Casey in Crawford, this site has almost 200 pictures posted. In a message dated 8/15/05 9:25:58 PM, squehee@ucla.edu writes: > >Yahoo News photo of Louisiana Green Party member > >Andrea Garland at Camp Casey in Crawford, sent by > >Leenie Halbert.... > > > >http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story &u=/050812/480/txtg12008120327 > > > >Forward widely! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From chicoverde@cox.net Thu Aug 18 18:12:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 21901 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 18:12:26 -0000 Received: from centrmmtao05vip.cox.net (HELO centrmmtao05.cox.net) (68.1.16.143) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 18:12:26 -0000 Received: from cox.net ([68.101.88.147]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050818181158.CMHX4806.centrmmtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:11:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4304CF6C.3020908@cox.net> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:11:56 -0400 From: Michael Canney Reply-To: chicoverde@cox.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: [Peace-discussion] Pastors for Peace Caravan update Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: PASTORS FOR PEACE UPDATE AND ACTION ALERT: WE'RE HEADED TO WASHINGTON! FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACTS: IFCO/PASTORS FOR PEACE IN THE ROAD: FR. LUIS BARRIOS: 646/319-5902 (cellular) IN NEW YORK: Lucia Bruno 212/926-5757 (office) Greetings from Dallas, Texas! Since we headed north from Hidalgo, we have visited Corpus Christi (where we had three TV interviews), San Antonio (more TV and print interviews), and Austin, where we had a wonderful hospitality from a gracious member of our network and did radio interviews for KOOP community radio. Over this past weekend, we paid an extended visit to Crawford, Texas, where George W. Bush has his ranch. We spent a long time making the decision to go to Crawford. August is not the best month to be doing outreach to Washington, because Congress is in recess and most elected officials tend to be in their home offices or on vacation. But the national media is always present at the "summer White House" in Crawford; and we wanted to bring national attention to our cause. So we decided that we would head north toward Crawford, as one of the first stops on our way to Washington, as part of a longer tour to raise awareness about our campaign. One week ago last Sunday, on the night that we had made the decision to go to Crawford, we learned that Cindy Sheehan had just set up her anti-war vigil there. This did not change the purpose of our visit, but it added a new component. We clearly wanted to give support to the urgent campaign to end the war in Iraq, bring the troops home, and bring peace to the Iraqi people, which at the moment Cindy and her late son Casey are symbolizing. We also wanted to draw the connections with the Cuba issues that are at the center of our campaign. As you know, we are not only working for the release of the seized computer aid, and the right to take all our aid to Cuba. We are also doing everything we can to bring attention to the Bush administration's stepped-up efforts to crush Cuba. We are talking about the appointment of a US "administrator" (a la Paul Bremer) for Cuba's supposed transition to a market economy that can be controlled by the US. We are sounding the alert about the always-imminent threat of a US attack or invasion of Cuba. We want to prevent Cuba from being one of Bush's next targets. As we see it, these issues are all part of the same Bush agenda of domination and imperialism. We were pleased to make a key contribution to the Sunday morning ecumenical service at the "Camp Casey" site where 500 crosses are set in the ground to represent the more than 1800 US soldiers killed in Iraq. Revs. Lucius Walker, Luis Barrios, and Diane Baker all took leadership in the worship service, which was attended by 100 people and covered by the national media. We also took part in a fellowship luncheon that reminded us of Pentecost because of its diversity. Brothers and sisters from Iraq, who now live in Texas, prepared a delicious lunch of typical Iraqi foods, which was shared with families of US troops, and veterans, and clergy, and other supporters. We want to acknowledge the wonderful work of the Crawford Peace House, which hosted our caravan on our way to Cuba, and which now has been the anchor for the ongoing campaign around Cindy Sheehan. We were pleased and honored to have our yellow schoolbus parked over the weekend at the Crawford Peace House and Camp Casey. Many, many people at the vigil - and many journalists -- came to talk with us when they saw the bus, and asked about our campaign. We were delighted that people were so receptive and so welcoming to us. Looking at what is going on now in Crawford, we could feel the spirit of a new movement emerging. We were glad to have the chance to express our emotional, social, political and spiritual support, and also to educate people about the interconnections with other issues we care about. Now we are in Dallas, networking with local churches and peace and justice networks, and doing media outreach. Last night we held a 6:30pm vigil in front of Dallas City Hall, along with representatives of the Dallas Peace Center, Pax Christi, and the homeless veteran population. Then we had the honor of receiving a two-hour visit from Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX), former chair of the Congressional Black Caucus. Rep. Johnson has visited Cuba twice, and pledged to increase her advocacy for the release of the computers for Cuba. Our plan from here? WE ARE HEADING TO WASHINGTON! Along the way we will be visiting more cities in our network, to gather up support for our campaign. We want to meet with local Pastors for Peace committees. We also want to do a concerted push for media attention. And we REALLY need your help with fundraising. We are planning a visit to Beaumont, Texas, where Ramon Labañino, one of the five Cubans unjustly imprisoned for defending Cuba against terrorism, remains in prison. We are celebrating the fact that the Atlanta appeals court just overturned the convictions of the Five. We visited the Beaumont prison with the bus dedicated to Ramon when our caravan was on its way south to Cuba. Now we want to visit again to draw more attention to the injustice of the long imprisonment of the Five, and the urgency of bringing the self-confessed terrorist Luis Posada Carriles to justice. Over these next few days, there is another important event to report and to celebrate. On Wednesday, fifteen new students will be joining the student body of the Latin American School of Medicine. Lucius and Ellen will be with the students to accompany them - and we will have the honor of being present for the first graduation of the Latin American School of Medicine. One of the 1500 new doctors in the graduating class is from the US - Cedric Edwards from Slidell, LA. Cedric will be headed home to prepare his application for a residency in a US hospital. We will be so proud to attend the graduation ceremony; and we will also use the time in Cuba to spread the word about our campaign to free the computers. While that visit is going on, the Pastors for Peace team will continue on the road! Fr. Luis Barrios and Bill Hill will be traveling through Texas, working alongside our supporters from Houston, Texas; Beaumont, Texas; and Atlanta, Georgia, to get the word out to the media and build support for the campaign to free the computers. We are expecting that this coming Sunday all of us (Lucius, Ellen, Bill & Luis) will be back together in Atlanta; we expect to hold a big educational event that will include the celebration of the overturning of the convictions of the Five Cubans. THEN: WE HEAD FOR WASHINGTON! Like we did in 1996, we plan to get right in the faces of the people who make policy decisions. We will be spreading the word, not just about the need to release the computers, but about the need to end the blockade. SO WHAT DO WE NEED YOU TO DO (AND DO AGAIN!)? Hold vigils! Four weeks ago, we started holding Wednesday prayer vigils on the Hidalgo/Reynosa International Bridge. The effort quickly grew; last week there were 20 vigils for the release of the computers held around the US. Today we learned that Wednesday vigils will also be held in support of Cindy Sheehan's vigil to end the war in Iraq. We will continue organizing vigils every Wednesday. We will incorporate the issue of peace in Iraq, and bringing the US troops home, in our weekly vigils; and we are requesting that other organizers include the issue of peace with Cuba, and freeing the seized humanitarian aid, in new vigils that are being organized. Get signatures for the pastoral letter and the Cuban American letter. Our website, www.pastorsforpeace.org , has the link to Petitions On Line. Keep making calls to Commerce, Customs, State, and Congress. Jayson Ahern, Assistant Commissioner of Customs: 202/344-1620 Cuba Desk, State Department: 202/647/9273 Michael Turner, Director of Export Enforcement, Commerce Department: 202/482-1208,ext. 3 Visit your senators' and representative's offices during the August recess. Show them how much you care about US/Cuba policy! Help us raise funds to keep this campaign on the road to Washington! Send your tax-deductible donation to IFCO/Pastors for Peace, 402 W. 145th Street, New York, NY 10031. THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONTINUING SUPPORT! This is an issue that we can win! "Una religión que te dice que sólo hay que mirar hacia arriba y que en la vida terrenal todo es bajeza y ruindad que no debe ser mirado con atención es la mejor garantía para que tropieces a cada paso y te rompas los dientes y el alma contra las piedras rotundamente terrenales". Roque Dalton "A religion that tells you there's only pie in the sky and all earthly life is lousy and vicious and that you shouldn't be too concerned is the best guarantee you'll stumble at every step and break your teeth and soul against absolutely earthly rocks." Roque Dalton --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 19:31:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 28871 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2005 19:31:12 -0000 Received: from s2.cableone.net (24.116.0.228) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 18 Aug 2005 19:31:12 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 27736234 for multiple; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:23:13 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , Cc: "'leenie'" , "'Sarah'" , "'nannette garrett'" Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:20:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcWkCL5XXPGUDUNeRxi5cQIzxAMSbAAHm8sQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <1124396593_98070@S2.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: *: 1.249000 Subject Unsubscribe=1.0,From: ends in numbers=1.0,Aspam=-0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 133, in=290, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Largest Anti-war vigil since after Invasion of Iraq Last Night in Birmingham; Seven hundred People Vigil in Atlanta Last Night Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The September 24th Coalition Committee distributed over 200 September 24th flyers to the media and participants at last night's Pax Christi, Birmingham Rally. The details on the flyer were: Saturday Sept 24th 2-5pm Rally at Civil Rights Park (kelly ingram) Birmingham, Al The Alabama Green Party and Southern Greens are calling for increased vigilance from Brunswick to Birmingham to protest the pentagon plans to ramp up troop levels by 20-30,000 this September in Iraq and Afghanistan. Saturday August 27th, 5 pm Five Points Fountain Birmingham Sunday August 28th, 2pm Next September 24th Coalition Meeting Birmingham Quaker House The tide is turning! FROM ATLANTA: Subject: [GA Street Actions] Last Night Vigil,Today Rally at CNN 5-6 pm We had a great vigil last night at the intersection of N.Decatur Rd and Scott Blvd. We started at 7:00 and were there until 10:00. Between 700 to 800 people participated in our last night vigil, among them were some military families and veterans of the Iraq war. All the TV channels were there, the AJC, John Sugg with Creative Loafing and some local news papers were there. Overall, we had a GREAT media coverage. People who participated in the vigil last night were telling us that we should organize more events like this . I think people are ready to get out and openly express their opposition to the continuation of the war in Iraq. I would like to hear about other rallies on other locations . Today we have our weekly anti-war rally at CNN between 5:00 to 6:00. Please join us and bring your signs. We have three new banners: US OUT OF IRAQ SUPPORT OUR TROOPS -BRING THEM HOME ALIVE. MILITARY RECRUITERS OUT OF OUR SCHOOLS. This Friday is the third anniversary of the anti -war rally at Colony Square between 12-1 please join in if you can. Here is the article from AJC on line about the last night vigil: Anti-war vigil draws 700-plus By SAEED AHMED The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 08/18/05 They stood shoulder to shoulder, mothers all. One was the first in Georgia to lose her son to the ongoing violence in Iraq. Another worried daily that her active duty daughters could be sent to war any day. A third pleaded for an end to the fighting to spare more parents heartbreak. They were among more than 700 people who lined a busy Decatur intersection Wednesday night - some waving signs with the names of fallen soldiers, others holding aloft paper crosses identifying themselves as friends or neighbors of those who have died. The vigil was one of several hundred nationwide Wednesday as a show of support for Cindy Sheehan, who lost her son to the war in Iraq last year and has been holding her own vigil outside President Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch since Aug. 6. Other vigils in metro Atlanta included ones in Marietta, Little Five Points and Midtown, Jonesboro and Douglasville, said Susan Keith of Georgia for Democracy, one of the organizers. Randy Aronov, who along with his 14-year-old son stopped by Sheehan's Texas camp during a road trip from New Mexico to Atlanta last week, said Wednesday night's numbers stunned him. "She [Sheehan] is the Rosa Parks of this movement," said Aronov, who lives in Atlanta. "I think the pendulum is swinging and we've reached a point where people see the fallacy of this war and are fed up with it." Critics of Sheehan say she is exploiting her son's death and vigils such as the ones Wednesday promote a left-wing agenda. They say many Americans who have lost family members in Iraq support the president and his plans to keep troops there. In Decatur, participants lined alongside Scott Boulevard and North Decatur Road for more than three hours, urging passing cars to honk or waving signs such as "War is Full-Birth Abortion." Next to a sidewalk, someone arranged into a peace sign paper cups that held candles and bore the faces of all the Georgia soldiers who have died. One name was missing - that of Spc. Jamaal Addison, killed in March 2003. Addison's 4-year-old son and namesake cradled that cup lovingly in his hands while his grandmother discussed her planned trip to Texas on Friday. "When my son died, I grieved for him. These days, it seems I am grieving for more and more sons everyday," said Patricia Roberts, Addison's mother. Barely a couple of feet away from her, Cassaundra Cain of Decatur fretted about her two active duty daughters being called up. "Every day the phone doesn't ring is a good day," she said. http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/dekalb/0805/18vigil.html ___________________________________________________________________________ POST messages or SEND e-mails at gastreetactions@yahoogroups.com PLEASE INVITE others to join Georgia Street Actions Yahoo group as well. 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Terms of Service . _____ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 01:07:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 31280 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 01:07:03 -0000 Received: from s4.cableone.net (24.116.0.230) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 01:07:03 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 28505477 for multiple; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:12:13 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , Cc: , , Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:02:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcWkNwCXO4fFSCmgTQW3CW/NtNVIFgAINAaA In-Reply-To: <20050818205326.3899.qmail@web34407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <1124413933_119516@S4.cableone.net> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 134, in=303, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Two full time student organizers wanted! Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anyone know any really on-fire green party folk that could do a more than full time job for 2,000 a month and 750 a month for benefits? They'd need to plan two regional student peace conferences late october / early november setting up a national student peace meeting for late april early may, and have a strong background in community/student organizing. We can get the money, and it is really important now to grow the anti-war movement and its analysis into a greener one. Leenie or Echo if they had time would be great. What about Elena just back from revolutionary venezuela? hank From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 14:40:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 10615 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 14:40:35 -0000 Received: from s1.cableone.net (24.116.0.227) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 14:40:35 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 28814118 for multiple; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:39:53 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , Cc: "'Scott McLarty'" , "'Starlene Rankin'" Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:35:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcWkcjkIcNVboE/ST8CdmUBt1l7ANQASvWRg In-Reply-To: <20050819035654.42993.qmail@web33711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <1124462393_113653@S1.cableone.net> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 130, in=314, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Peace-discussion] sense of the national gpax list Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: the reuters article is below... When the pentagon announces their "ramping up" or escalating troop levels in iraq like they did last week, how should we respond? Perhaps we need to wait for more specifics, more evidence... Perhaps we should at least note it and oppose it via a media advisory... Perhaps we should do something else... hank WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States expects to raise its troop levels in Iraq this fall to bolster security for the planned October constitutional referendum and December elections for a new government, the Pentagon said on Monday. The increase in troops also coincides with a spike in the number of Americans killed fighting the insurgency after a U.S.-led invasion toppled President Saddam Hussein in 2003. Since July 30, at least 41 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq, including 18 on Aug. 3 alone. A Pentagon tally released on Monday listed 1,829 U.S. military deaths since the start of the war in March 2003. Another 13,700 troops have been wounded in action. Chief Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said the Defense Department may delay the scheduled departure of an unspecified number of the 139,000 U.S. troops currently in Iraq, achieving a short-term increase in the size of the force as more troops flow into the country as previously planned. Di Rita did not say how big an increase was envisioned. The Pentagon temporarily raised U.S. troop levels by about 20,000 to roughly 160,000 ahead of the historic Jan. 30 elections. Asked if the size of the U.S. force this fall would reach 160,000 again, Di Rita said, "It could be more. It could be less." "We'll have a lot of flexibility to be able to let the forces stack on top of one another during the rotation (of troops in and out of Iraq) so that we can have a greater capability during key points," Di Rita said. "We altered the rotations of units during the January election. And I think it's perfectly plausible to assume we'll do the same thing for this election," said Di Rita, who said final decisions had not been made. The military previously announced it was augmenting the U.S. force in Afghanistan ahead of Sept. 18 parliamentary elections by sending an airborne battalion of 700 to 800 82nd Airborne Division paratroopers from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, to join the 17,600 American troops already in the country. Di Rita did not rule out the possibility of dispatching a similar unit from the United States to Iraq but said it was more likely an increase in troop levels would come about as a result of delaying the scheduled departure of soldiers already serving there while new ones arrived as planned. U.S. Army soldiers generally serve tours of no more than a year on the ground in Iraq at a time, with Marines serving seven-month stints. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 22:00:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 9768 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from s1.cableone.net (24.116.0.227) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 28862194 for multiple; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:00:42 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , , Cc: "'Scott McLarty'" Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:56:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcWkzml9Pk0QWMxrRiyrZFYdERJ2MwAJGHsgAAUlhmA= Message-ID: <1124488842_121435@S1.cableone.net> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 131, in=315, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] RE: [GPUS-PAX] sense of the national gpax list Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Byron, Echo, fellow greens: We should respond and point out: Bush is sending more not less, ramping up not phasing back, increasing and augmenting US troops in September. Soundbyte: Stop the escalation, end the occupation! Cindy Sheehan supporters talking in the media PAW-LEEZE point out what the king is doing nakedly! For peace and troops home today, trials tomorrow! hank -----Original Message----- From: peace-admin@lists.gp-us.org [mailto:peace-admin@lists.gp-us.org] On Behalf Of Byron De Lear Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:30 PM To: peace@lists.gp-us.org Subject: RE: [GPUS-PAX] sense of the national gpax list Good message Echo -- Let's get people to look at how the Green party is the "one stop shop for peace" -- This is the vulnerability of the two-party position. Nearly the whole legislative branch rolled over to the executive in this war, and now they're racing to save face. We have them on the ropes -- it's time to move in with the message exposing the costs of this war -- the human costs (Camp Casey) -- the emergency spending costs -- the costs to American integrity and our poor troops -- and why the people have been saddled with these costs: because our corridors of power are populated with oil men. It's a money and land grab. Yours, Byron -----Original Message----- From: peace-admin@lists.gp-us.org [mailto:peace-admin@lists.gp-us.org] On Behalf Of ecostar@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 7:56 AM To: peace@lists.gp-us.org Subject: Re: [GPUS-PAX] sense of the national gpax list Perhaps we replicate the message. Perhaps we announce what we are doing. Ramping up the peace movement. A counter ramp up. Whaddya think. Get several Greens to write pieces and submit to Common Dreams, etc.. Encourage Web bloggers to pick up message. Contact Green media producers. The formula is before our eyes. We watch the DLC, RNC, MoveOn, Dean, etc.. do it. We replicate. Get our folks on message. Create mantras (mini soundbights) and get them to say it over and over. Greens are ramping up in Response. Greens are ramping up the peace movement. Greens are ramping up for Sept 24th. Peace, Peace, Peace. Ramping up this, Ramping up that. We can work with the media committee to help organize this. We connect the dots. They ramped up. We ramped up. Sept 24th will be the largest anti war rally this country ever saw. The Peace movement is ramping up, the greens are a driving force in it, and the movement will be bigger than ever for sept 24th. We must make the event sexy if folks think it is big, they will come. If they come it will be big. Ramp it up folks. peace, echo > From: "h duke" > Date: 2005/08/19 Fri AM 10:35:30 EDT > To: , > > CC: "'Scott McLarty'" , > "'Starlene Rankin'" > Subject: [GPUS-PAX] sense of the national gpax list > > the reuters article is below... > > When the pentagon announces their "ramping up" or escalating troop > levels in > iraq like they did last week, how should we respond? > > Perhaps we need to wait for more specifics, more evidence... > > Perhaps we should at least note it and oppose it via a media advisory... > > Perhaps we should do something else... > hank > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States expects to raise its troop > levels in Iraq this fall to bolster security for the planned October constitutional > referendum and December elections for a new government, the Pentagon > said on > Monday. > > The increase in troops also coincides with a spike in the number of > Americans killed fighting the insurgency after a U.S.-led invasion > toppled President Saddam Hussein in 2003. Since July 30, at least 41 > U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq, including 18 on Aug. 3 alone. > > A Pentagon tally released on Monday listed 1,829 U.S. military deaths since > the start of the war in March 2003. Another 13,700 troops have been wounded > in action. > > Chief Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said the Defense Department > may delay the scheduled departure of an unspecified number of the 139,000 U.S. > troops currently in Iraq, achieving a short-term increase in the size > of the > force as more troops flow into the country as previously planned. > > Di Rita did not say how big an increase was envisioned. The Pentagon > temporarily raised U.S. troop levels by about 20,000 to roughly > 160,000 ahead of the historic Jan. 30 elections. > > Asked if the size of the U.S. force this fall would reach 160,000 > again, Di > Rita said, "It could be more. It could be less." > > "We'll have a lot of flexibility to be able to let the forces stack on > top of one another during the rotation (of troops in and out of Iraq) > so that we > can have a greater capability during key points," Di Rita said. > > "We altered the rotations of units during the January election. And I think > it's perfectly plausible to assume we'll do the same thing for this > election," said Di Rita, who said final decisions had not been made. > > The military previously announced it was augmenting the U.S. force in > Afghanistan ahead of Sept. 18 parliamentary elections by sending an airborne > battalion of 700 to 800 82nd Airborne Division paratroopers from Fort Bragg, > North Carolina, to join the 17,600 American troops already in the country. > > Di Rita did not rule out the possibility of dispatching a similar unit from > the United States to Iraq but said it was more likely an increase in > troop levels would come about as a result of delaying the scheduled > departure of soldiers already serving there while new ones arrived as planned. > > U.S. Army soldiers generally serve tours of no more than a year on the > ground in Iraq at a time, with Marines serving seven-month stints. > > > > _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace@lists.gp-us.org http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace@lists.gp-us.org http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/peace From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 13:29:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 4904 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 13:29:35 -0000 Received: from s4.cableone.net (24.116.0.230) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 13:29:35 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 28538124 for multiple; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 06:34:15 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , , , , , , , , , , Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:23:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcWkwTlEhSPl7TUQQWG4SCi99nezHA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <1124458455_124514@S4.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.799000 From: ends in numbers=1.0,Gifs in urls=0.8,Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 134, in=305, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Peace-discussion] U.S. to raise Iraq troop level before any cuts Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: If reached for comment, I think Cindy Sheehan would have a few words to say. Priscilla from MFSO Alabama definitely has some things to say about this. We too can respond to this, carefully and deliberately, to help build sept 24th, and I hereby request that the sept 24th coalition or apjc listserve place it on next sunday's agenda.(Aug 28th the day after the b'ham 5pm vigil) -hank Military wants extra security ahead of October referendum, December vote Updated: 7:44 p.m. ET Aug. 8, 2005Updated: 7:44 p.m. ET Aug. 8, 2005 WASHINGTON - Before the Defense Department begins reducing troop levels in Iraq next year it probably will increase them this fall to provide extra security for a planned October referendum and a December election, a Pentagon official said Monday. Lawrence Di Rita, spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, noted that troop levels were raised last January during Iraq's first elections, and then returned to the current level of about 138,000 several weeks later. "It's perfectly plausible to assume we'll do the same thing for this election," he said, while stressing that no decisions have been made, Di Rita said he did not know how many extra troops might be needed during the referendum and election period. Troops may have to stay longer than they expected Last January the U.S. troop level rose as high as 160,000. This was accomplished mainly by overlapping some of the units arriving in Iraq to begin a one-year tour with those who were finishing up their yearlong tours. In one case an Army brigade was kept a little longer than its scheduled 12 months in Iraq, and Di Rita said he could not rule out that this could happen again this fall, although the intention is to avoid tours longer than 12 months. "The units that are there have been told to expect that: that it's possible that your planned rotation dates back to the U.S. will be affected by the need to keep a higher level for a longer period of time. They understand that," he said. U.S. commanders see a likely need for extra troops this fall because the insurgents have tended to intensify their attacks as key political milestones approached. If a draft constitution is ready by Aug. 15, as intended, then a national referendum on the charter is to be held Oct. 15, followed by December elections based on the constitution. Di Rita said the number of extra U.S. troops needed for the fall voting would depend in part on the readiness of newly trained Iraqi security forces. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/gif --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 21:38:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 8279 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 21:38:01 -0000 Received: from s4.cableone.net (24.116.0.230) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 21:38:01 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 28589249 for multiple; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:43:18 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , , , , , Cc: Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:33:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWlBaDyMiEEm56iSEaK6v/gi8A1fw== Message-ID: <1124487798_132910@S4.cableone.net> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 134, in=307, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] While Bush escalates troops in Iraq, Republican senators call occupation "more and more bogged down" and for withdrawal Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Amy Goodman and DemocracyNow! are highlighting the below five points. They will be in Huntsville and Birmingham the week before September 24th. Yeah! hank Republicans Join Calls for Iraq Withdrawal Even as the protest continues in Texas, there are new developments in the antiwar effort on Capitol Hill. North Carolina Republican Congressman Walter Jones says he has about 50 co-sponsors on a joint resolution that calls on President Bush to announce a plan for withdrawal from Iraq by the end of this year. This is the latest twist in the dramatic shift in position by Jones who was the politician behind the move to change the name of French fries to "Freedom Fries" in the Congressional cafeteria. The resolution was introduced in June by Jones, Republican Ron Paul of Texas, as well as Democrat Dennis Kucinich. It calls on the president to begin the withdrawal by Oct. 1, 2006, but it does not set an end date. Jones said the new supporters include five Republicans. Sen. Hagel: US 'More and More Bogged Down' in Iraq Meanwhile, Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska said Thursday that the United States is getting "more and more bogged down" in Iraq and stood by his comments that the White House is disconnected from reality and losing the war. Hagel mocked Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion in June that the resistance in Iraq was in its "last throes," saying, "Maybe the vice president can explain the increase in casualties we're taking. If that's winning, then he's got a different definition of winning than I do." Putin Calls for Iraq Withdrawal Timetable Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin is also calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of foreign military forces from Iraq, saying they were considered "occupying forces" by many Iraqis. Putin also called for an international conference on Iraq to be held by the end of the year. US Building New Prison in Iraq The Pentagon is sending some 700 paratroopers to Iraq to guard US-operated prisons as it prepares to open a fourth major prison and leave Abu Ghraib, the site of its worst prisoner torture scandal to date. The prison population in Iraq has doubled in the past six months amid a series of US-led offensives. Next month, the US military is expected to complete a new detention center called Fort Suse to hold 2000 prisoners in northern Iraq. The Pentagon says there are currently about 12,000 prisoners in US military detention facilities in Iraq. Tariq Aziz May Be Released Meanwhile, one of the highest profile prisoners held by the US in Iraq may soon be released. The lawyer for former Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz says he expects his client to be released from jail soon without being put on trial. He did not elaborate on when Aziz may be freed. No charges have yet been brought publicly against Aziz, whose lawyer said had been questioned by the U.S. military exhaustively in more than 150 sessions. Aziz' lawyer says his client will not testify against Saddam Hussein, adding that he was asked to appear as a witness for the prosecution. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 22:40:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 11877 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 22:40:24 -0000 Received: from s4.cableone.net (24.116.0.230) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 22:40:24 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 28594611 for multiple; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:45:58 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , , Cc: , , Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:36:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <43060818.2060309@nsstc.uah.edu> Thread-Index: AcWk2t5XenIFaNbwRxaxFKeVR2dAwAAL6PLA Message-ID: <1124491558_133800@S4.cableone.net> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 134, in=308, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] RE: [AlabamaProgressives] [Fwd: Terror's Greatest Recruitment Tool - by Naomi Klein] Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Naomi Klein: Your intentions and some effects of your words may be good but there are hidden costs and violence to what is concealed. Your projection onto oppressed people as terrorists is quite typical of the so-called left and pseudo-liberals. You project terror onto the Other and build so-called civilization on their land, with their labor, bones, and blood. In the decades since Israel's 68 war and occupation your label "terrorist" has been deployed mainly on Islamicists or supporters of Palestinian self-determination. Klein says some Europeans or their policies are racist and that, she claims, is the main recruiting tool of terror. A color-blind person asks what is invasion and occupation if not the primary terrorism? How can one argue that european colonialism from Canada, to Cuzcatlan (modern day central america) to Canaan is not terrorism, and the response of people who begin to reject and hate the invaders not racism. In general and to be rigorously honest we should be more careful using the buzzword terrorism. Only then will be achieve social justice, human rights, and enduring peace. Henry H Duke North Alabama _____ From: AlabamaProgressives@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlabamaProgressives@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Noor Gillani Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:26 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [AlabamaProgressives] [Fwd: Terror's Greatest Recruitment Tool - by Naomi Klein] This article can be found on the web at http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050829 &s=klein _____ lookout by Naomi Klein Terror's Greatest Recruitment Tool [from The Nation, August 29, 2005 issue] Hussain Osman, one of the men alleged to have participated in London's failed bombings on July 21, recently told Italian investigators that they prepared for the attacks by watching "films on the war in Iraq," La Repubblica reported. "Especially those where women and children were being killed and exterminated by British and American soldiers...of widows, mothers and daughters that cry." It has become an article of faith that Britain was vulnerable to terror because of its politically correct antiracism. Yet Osman's comments suggest that what propelled at least some of the bombers was rage at what they saw as extreme racism. And what else can we call the belief--so prevalent we barely notice it--that American and European lives are worth more than the lives of Arabs and Muslims, so much more that their deaths in Iraq are not even counted? It's not the first time that this kind of raw inequality has bred extremism. Sayyid Qutb, the Egyptian writer generally viewed as the intellectual architect of radical political Islam, had his ideological epiphany while studying in the United States. The puritanical scholar was shocked by Colorado's licentious women, it's true, but more significant was Qutb's encounter with what he later described as America's "evil and fanatic racial discrimination." By coincidence, Qutb arrived in the United States in 1948, the year of the creation of the State of Israel. He witnessed an America blind to the thousands of Palestinians being made permanent refugees by the Zionist project. For Qutb, it wasn't politics, it was an assault on his identity: Clearly Americans believed that Arab lives were worth far less than those of European Jews. According to Yvonne Haddad, a professor of history at Georgetown University, this experience "left Qutb with a bitterness he was never able to shake." When Qutb returned to Egypt he joined the Muslim Brotherhood, leading to his next life-changing event: He was arrested, severely tortured and convicted of antigovernment conspiracy in an absurd show trial. Qutb's political theory was profoundly shaped by torture. Not only did he regard his torturers as sub-human, he stretched that categorization to include the entire state that ordered this brutality, including the practicing Muslims who passively lent their support to Nasser's regime. Qutb's vast category of subhumans allowed his disciples to justify the killing of "infidels"--now practically everyone--in the name of Islam. A movement for an Islamic state was transformed into a violent ideology that would lay the intellectual groundwork for Al Qaeda. In other words, so-called Islamist terrorism was "home grown" in the West long before the July 7 attacks--from its inception it was the quintessentially modern progeny of Colorado's casual racism and Cairo's concentration camps. Why is it worth digging up this history now? Because the twin sparks that ignited Qutb's world-changing rage are currently being doused with gasoline: Arabs and Muslims are being debased in torture chambers around the world and their deaths are being discounted in simultaneous colonial wars, at the same time that graphic digital evidence of these losses and humiliations is available to anyone with a computer. And once again, this lethal cocktail of racism and torture is burning through the veins of angry young men. As Qutb's past and Osman's present reveal, it's not our tolerance for multiculturalism that fuels terrorism; it's our tolerance for the barbarism committed in our name. Into this explosive environment has stepped Tony Blair, determined to sell two of the main causes of terror as its cure. He intends to deport more Muslims to countries where they will likely face torture. And he will keep fighting wars in which soldiers don't know the names of the towns they are leveling. (According to an August 5 Knight Ridder report, a Marine sergeant in Iraq recently pumped up his squad by telling them that "these will be the good old days, when you brought...death and destruction to--what the fuck is this place called?" Someone piped in helpfully, "Haqlaniyah.") Meanwhile, in Britain, there is no shortage of the "evil and fanatic racial discrimination" that Qutb denounced. "Of course too there have been isolated and unacceptable acts of a racial or religious hatred," Blair said before unveiling his terror-fighting plan. "But they have been isolated." Isolated? The Islamic Human Rights Commission received 320 complaints of racist attacks in the wake of the bombings; the Monitoring Group has received eighty-three emergency calls; Scotland Yard says hate crimes are up 600 percent from this time last year. Not that pre-July 7 was anything to brag about: "One in five of Britain's ethnic minority voters say that they considered leaving Britain because of racial intolerance," according to a Guardian poll in March. This last statistic shows that the brand of multiculturalism practiced in Britain (and France, Germany, Canada...) has little to do with genuine equality. It is instead a Faustian bargain, struck between vote-seeking politicians and self-appointed community leaders, one that keeps ethnic minorities tucked away in state-funded peripheral ghettos while the centers of public life remain largely unaffected by the seismic shifts in the national ethnic makeup. Nothing exposes the shallowness of this alleged tolerance more than the speed with which Muslim communities are now being told to "get out" (to quote Tory MP Gerald Howarth) in the name of core national values. The real problem is not too much multiculturalism but too little. If the diversity now ghettoized on the margins of Western societies--geographically and psychologically--were truly allowed to migrate to the centers, it might infuse public life in the West with a powerful new humanism. If we had deeply multi-ethnic societies, rather than shallow multicultural ones, it would be much more difficult for politicians to sign deportation orders sending Algerian asylum-seekers to torture, or to wage wars in which only the invaders' dead are counted. A society that truly lived its values of equality and human rights, at home and abroad, would have another benefit too. It would rob terrorists of what has always been their greatest recruitment tool: our racism. -- NOOR V. GILLANI, D.Sc. Principal Research Scientist Adjunct Professor Nat'l Space Science & Technol Ctr. Atmospheric Science Department (NSSTC, NASA-AL) U. of AL in Huntsville (UAH) Tel. 256 961-7942 email: gillani@nsstc.uah.edu Fax. 256 961-7755 Shipping Address Mailing Address NSSTC Atmospheric Science Department 320 Sparkman Dr U. of Alabama in Huntsville Huntsville AL 35805 Huntsville AL 35899 _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "AlabamaProgressives " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AlabamaProgressives-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . _____ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 21:42:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 8585 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 21:42:44 -0000 Received: from s3.cableone.net (24.116.0.229) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 21:42:44 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 28768454 for multiple; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:04:55 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , , , , , Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:38:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWk0IwQ2ZOfbhZ3RoWlRVGdxWKZ4gANXBrQ Message-ID: <1124489095_127965@S3.cableone.net> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 131, in=318, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] that national green party media guy... Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The Washington Post Letters to the Editor To the Editor The real challenge behind Cindy Sheehan's vigil at 'Camp Casey' in Crawford, Texas, isn't to the Bush Administration, which will surely continue to ignore her pleas. It's to Democrats in office who continue to support the war while criticizing President Bush on strategic grounds, and to all Americans disgusted by the war who continue to vote Democrat in the illusion that the Democratic Party represents the opposition. The problem with the Iraq War isn't only the Bush Administration's military miscalculations. The problem is that the invasion and occupation are themselves crimes, based on deception about the motivations for the invasion, a radical ideology that embraces 'preventive war' (outlawed by international law after World War II), and an oil grab. This abuse of power was inevitable after most Democrats in October 2002 voted with Republicans to surrender Congress's constitutionally mandated power to declare war to the White House. Groups like MoveOn will have wasted their time if their only political solution following their support for Ms. Sheehan is to endorse more prowar Democratic candidates. In fact, MoveOn itself, unlike the Camp Casey protesters, does not favor an immediate end to the occupation. The Democrats' abdication of their role as opposition party has made the emergence of the Green Party, which criticized the invasion from the very beginning, an imperative. Scott McLarty Media Coordinator Green Party of the United States Washington, DC --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 02:43:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 7309 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 02:43:06 -0000 Received: from s2.cableone.net (24.116.0.228) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 02:43:06 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 27934474 for multiple; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 20:41:55 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:37:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWl54Nfi9rieAKMQ5OcQjPZCQciJAAEUWyw Message-ID: <1124595715_131371@S2.cableone.net> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 135, in=302, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] RE: [GPUS-PAX] GLOBALIZING our GPAX PETITION IN SUPPORT OF CINDY SHEEEHAN AND AGAINST THE ESCALATION Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dean, Rebecca, Bill: How 'bout generating some global PR and demonstrating global green leadership by denouncing the announced escalation in troop levels. Just because Camp Casey, ANSWER, the pentagon, and the media are avoiding talking about it doesn't mean we shouldnt. Lets respond GPAX! No escalation, end the occupation! Troops home today, trials tomorrow, Henry H Duke 714 235 6083 _____ From: peace-admin@lists.gp-us.org [mailto:peace-admin@lists.gp-us.org] On Behalf Of D Alexander Murville Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:29 PM To: peace@lists.gp-us.org Subject: Re: [GPUS-PAX] GLOBALIZING our GPAX PETITION IN SUPPORT OF CINDY SHEEEHAN Bill: THANKS very much for your comments................Let's make it happened before the window of opportunity closes! This would give GPAX great global PR and demonstrate Global Green Leadership! In addition we should get our fellow Global Green Parties to be the first to initiate Camp Casey support vigils in their respective countries in front of as many American Embassies and corporate offices as possible. Please brainstorm this. Thanks again, Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Holloway To: peace@lists.gp-us.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [GPUS-PAX] GLOBALIZING our GPAX PETITION IN SUPPORT OF CINDY SHEEEHAN AWESOME idea. Bill On 8/20/05, D Alexander Murville wrote: I would like to GLOBALIZE our GPAX Petition in Support of Cindy Sheehan since it is already operational on our website. Another additional reason is that we are promoting the Veterans for Peace's Petition (vfp) on our website. Both of these have merit to be publicized internationally to generate global solidarity. Could those of us who are both on the IC and GPAX committees respectively lobby the IC to contact the Global Green Network and ask them to get the Green Parties the different countries to promote (and/or hyperlink them to ours which ever is easier for them) the petitions on their websites. Also those who are not on the IC but know (or have friends on it) people on it would great if you could contact them and discuss the value of promoting these Petitions globally. Thanks very much. Dean --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From alsmith@alum.mit.edu Mon Aug 22 19:33:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 3100 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 19:33:11 -0000 Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (68.142.229.103) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 19:33:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 13473 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 19:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tecschange) (smith.aimee@sbcglobal.net@69.221.32.215 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 19:32:39 -0000 Message-ID: <007001c5a74f$c445f060$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Reply-To: "Aimee Smith" From: "Aimee Smith" To: , , Cc: References: <1124631136_144626@S3.cableone.net> <43089B25.8070204@nsstc.uah.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:29:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Re: [GPUS-PAX] Re: {Spam?} RE: Right wing pundits repeatedly cite Hillary Clinton demanding more US troops into the qugmire occupation Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Noor, The writer did not claim that Kucinich or Benjamin called for increased = troops. The writer claims that they *got behind* candidates who called for = increase in troop levels - aka John Kerry. My understadning is that each of = these folks did in their own way knuckle under and advocate voting for Kerry, = a pro-war candidate who voted for war in the Senate. There are a few principled arguments that one could make for supporting Kerry, such as throw the person who started the war out of office, etc., = but as a third party, we need to keep strong and clear in our vision of = building a party that is not beholden to "masters of war" and other = corporate/elite/ imperialist interests. That is what I hear the writer calling for - a = more insistent strategy for people in our party and otherwise who oppose war. The Kerry/Bush case was difficult because Kerry himself overrode the will of some 200,000 MA residents who bothered to write to him by voting for the war. I myself find the strategy of being a meek follow-on to the democratic party to be the kiss of death for both popular movements against war and for the Green Party. Sincerely, Aimee Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Noor Gillani=20 To: henryduke2004@yahoo.com=20 Cc: Alabama_PeaceFirst@yahoogroups.com ; AlaGreensLIST@yahoogroups.com = ; AlabamaProgressives@yahoogroups.com ; PeaceTalkBham@yahoogroups.com ; = peace-discussion@gp-us.org ; peace@gp-us.org ; = tuscapeace@yahoogroups.com ; gpoc_discuss@yahoogroups.com ; = gastreetactions@yahoogroups.com ; 'T. Moss' ; salsaman-jr@yahoo.com ; = roylech@yahoo.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: [GPUS-PAX] Re: {Spam?} RE: Right wing pundits repeatedly cite = Hillary Clinton demanding more US troops into the qugmire occupation Henry, Re- your statement: "When you support candidates calling for more = troops into Iraq, as Kucinich and the former Green and founder of Code = Pink did", you are totally wrong about Kucinich, at least. As far as I = know, he called for total and immediate US withdrawal from the beginning = of the war (and indeed, he was a strong opponent of the war even before = it was started), AND he also called for restitution by the US of the = costs of rebuilding Iraq. So, I don't know where you got your info as = you state it. It is just plain wrong. As for the "founder of Code = Pink", who are you referring to? I thought (and I may be wrong about = this) that Medea Benjamin was the founder, in which case, she too has = been, from the first, a very strong proponent of total and immediate = withdrawal from Iraq. Noor h duke wrote:=20 "E", fellow greens, members of PDA/Kucinich supporters, friends, and = anyone for peace and justice: The key question for peace and justice folks is to not do what = former green party leader and founder of Code Pink did and not to do = what Dennis Kucinich did. Go for it, support Dennis or Russ Feingold now, but let them know = you will leave the democratic party or vote somewhere else if Hillary, = John Kerry, Dianne Feinstein, Senator Simon, Lieberman et al are = nominated. You can request Dennis Kucinich to join the Green Party or to leave = the democratic party if one of the above is nominated at = http://www.kucinich.us/contact/=20 The former green party leader and founder of Code Pink, while I = admire her a great deal, exemplifies how Hillary Clinton gets away = calling for more murder.=20 As long as people agree and vote "lesser evil," the lesser evil = party will cater and pander to their main corporate/war industry = supporter. When you assert your independence as Ralph Nader did and a majority = of the Green Party did, Hillary Clinton and the proverbial "masters of = war," will attack you in every way but start catering to your peace = demands. When you support candidates calling for more troops into Iraq, as = Kucinich and the former Green and founder of Code Pink did, you will not = bring peace or win the war of occupation, you will mereley cause more = suffering and more loss of life for americans and Iraqis; ultimately you = will delay the date of Iraqi's destiny of self-determination, for = someday Iraq will be free of occupation. Return the troops today, reparation and war crimes trials tomorrow, hd=20 In a message dated 8/20/2005 10:21:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, = JFdttcom writes: "It might work, a Gore/Dean ticket would just excite the crazies." Heh heh, yeah it would definitely do that -- although I've = committed to Feingold only because he's actually spoken up now. = Gore/Dean is a great idea, but based on many contingencies may not come = to pass. Were it to, however, it would give me serious pause in my = Feingold support. It just feels good to have a real live unambiguous (in = his position) candidate to through my thoughts behind for now. Very = cathartic.=20 I saw that it wasn't a petition for Hillary, but her contact = page. Here's what I sent her: I think, morally, it would be best if you didn't call for more = troops in Iraq. Since there is now a peace candidate in the Democratic = Party, however, in Russ Feingold, I don't think it matters anymore in = terms of election politics if you do or not. He will win the nomination = and the general election, since he is representing the view of most = Americans, and not of the military/corporate complex. Thanks for your = other contributions, though, and sorry you ended up on the wrong side of = this issue.=20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: h duke [mailto:henryduke2004@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:34 AM To: 'Alabama_PeaceFirst@yahoogroups.com'; = 'AlaGreensLIST@yahoogroups.com'; 'AlabamaProgressives@yahoogroups.com'; = 'PeaceTalkBham@yahoogroups.com'; 'peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org'; = 'peace@lists.gp-us.org'; 'tuscapeace@yahoogroups.com'; = 'gpoc_discuss@yahoogroups.com'; 'tuscapeace@yahoogroups.com'; = 'gastreetactions@yahoogroups.com' Subject: Right wing pundits repeatedly cite Hillary Clinton = demanding more US troops into the qugmire occupation Sickening to watch the Bill Maher show last night and hear his two = right wing guests keep citing and praising Hillary for calling for more = US troops there and the democratic party for not sending any democratic = party leaders to Camp Casey. Could Kucinich go? On the war issue, lesser evil voting may demand = voting for a republican. (or vote your consience) If you click below remind Hillary that each day in Iraq prolongs the = inevitable civil war there and does not solve the fundamental problem: = an illegal, immoral, and unwinnable -short of genocide- = invasion/occupation/war.=20 Click on this link to ask Hillary Clinton to stop calling for more = US troops to Iraq and Afganistan http://clinton.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm Troops out today, trials tomorrow hank www.gp.org alabama CONTACT=20 SENATOR CLINTON =20 =20 Comment on an Issue=20 =20 Request Help with Federal Agencies=20 =20 Request a Flag=20 =20 Request a Tour=20 =20 Invitations/Meeting/Scheduling Requests=20 =20 Website Comments & Help=20 =20 Comment on an Issue =20 Personal Information=20 Prefix: Please Select One Mr. Mrs. Ms. Mr. and = Mrs. Miss Dr. Hon. Rev. Rabbi Admiral Commander Colonel General = Lieutenant Lt. Col. 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Atmospheric Science = Department (NSSTC, NASA-AL) U. of AL in Huntsville (UAH) Tel. 256 961-7942 email: gillani@nsstc.uah.edu = Fax. 256 961-7755 Shipping Address Mailing Address NSSTC Atmospheric Science Department 320 Sparkman Dr U. of Alabama in Huntsville Huntsville AL 35805 Huntsville AL 35899 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 01:45:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 2583 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 01:45:10 -0000 Received: from s1.cableone.net (24.116.0.227) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 01:45:10 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 29155495 for multiple; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:45:14 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , , , Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:40:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWnVn5sSUX0fDO0SHSNLigLWHmmvAAD8IDwAAGNuYAABEgp4A== Message-ID: <1124761514_216847@S1.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: *: 1.249000 Subject Unsubscribe=1.0,From: ends in numbers=1.0,Aspam=-0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 134, in=331, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Trials and Reparations, troops home now: the duty of the US people and their government Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: David, I'm not sure if you're arguing that there is not a basis for calling for war crimes tribunals and for US individual and collective damages to Iraq [there is], or that it is currently not feasible at this point. [thats what myself and others in the peace movement are working to do.] As to your digs at the green party: many more people who mow their own lawns and who shop or work at walmart and don't have health insurance are joining the green party or working to reform the democratic party, mainly the latter but we are still the fastest growing electoral party, and welcome anyone who supports our ten key values. In fact, we are gonna be the pivotal party in defeating Hillary Clinton, should she be nominated while still calling for victory at any cost in Iraq. Analyze things honestly D Lowe, and you will understand how the Green Party will play this role. We are right now frightening Kerry and Clinton away from their more troops to iraq stance. In that sense we will be helping Kucinich, Feingold, or any other PDA democrat. You may support the democratic party if they nominate clinton, feinstein, leiderman, or any of the hawks, right wing pundits are now so frightenly citing. If you do that; know though David that you will be joining lots of people who use poor mexicans or other immigrants to mow their lawns, prepare their food and clean up after them, or take care of their elderly. Meanwhile, many, many democrats for peace and justice will leave the convention for the green party, some other non-corporate party, or merely give up on elections. You say, "the Green Party will never amount to anything..." and despite the dig at me and all the greens building the peace movement and the green party I was glad to know you don't think the green party candidate Ralph Nader affected Bush's stealing the 2000 election. [He obviously did, but not in the anti-right-to-vote-my conscience that the green party and Ralph Nader is usually attacked.] For Troops home today, trials and reparations tomorrow! hank _____ From: tuscapeace@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tuscapeace@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Lowe Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:01 PM To: tuscapeace@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [PeaceTalkBham] Re: [tuscapeace] RE: [AlabamaProgressives] Right wing pun... > To wit: war crimes tribunals and individual and collective reparations. You seem to want to be absolutely certain to take a position that anyone who shops at Walmart and mows his/her own lawn will never support. This is whythe Green Party will never amount to anything . David L. _____ From: tuscapeace@yahoogroups.com on behalf of h duke Sent: Mon 8/22/2005 5:23 PM To: PeaceTalkBham@yahoogroups.com; tuscapeace@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [PeaceTalkBham] Re: [tuscapeace] RE: [AlabamaProgressives] Right wing pun... Diane: You agree we made the mess. We're saying that the first thing when you're digging a hole is to quit digging. (pardon the sophmoric cliche) Furthermore we are demanding that you, us, and the US government be forced to accept legal, moral consequences of their crimes. To wit: war crimes tribunals and individual and collective reparations. Extreme violence and terror aka shock and awe is the primary cause and problem of the current civil war in Iraq. Each minute that these criminals use violence to prevent the necessary and terrible equiibrium from coming back the prolong and make worse the inevitable curses which are the heirs of this primary crime. The US could have kept troops in Vietnam longer supporting brutal dictatorship after dictatorship, but they eventually were gonna be defeated by patriotic Vietnamese who suffered so long, patiently, and greatly. If the US would have stayed ten more years, Vietnam would have been even worse off post US invasion; The International community should have instituted effective tribunals to force reparation to Vietnam. That is our duty now. Hopefully more and more expatriates will grow in their demands for US reparations to Vietnam. It is our responsibility to make this politically feasible. troops home now, tribunals and reparations tomorrow! hank _____ From: PeaceTalkBham@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PeaceTalkBham@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DianeMcAteerB@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:16 PM To: PeaceTalkBham@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [PeaceTalkBham] Re: [tuscapeace] RE: [AlabamaProgressives] Right wing pun... In a message dated 8/22/2005 1:05:13 PM Central Standard Time, jzylman@bellsouth.net writes: But they do not in anyway justify anything we did, or might have done. I never came close to even implying it was justified. But we made the mess, and then we ran away with out tail between our legs, leaving it for someone else to wallow in. Where are the studies to find out how we could have exited with less harm? Studies that could help us exit from Iraq? Jack, I hope you don't mind that my Vietnamese friends have read your email and one of their children will write a response. They are eager to tell their side. It will take a few days. The original boat people can't write well in English, but have many stories to share. I think we can learn so much from them if we will listen. They saw us as the lesser of two evils, at first between France and US and then between North Viets and US. SPONSORED LINKS Politics Government Peace Activism Especially Tuscaloosa _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "tuscapeace " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: tuscapeace-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . _____ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 12:38:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 25632 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 12:38:43 -0000 Received: from s4.cableone.net (24.116.0.230) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 12:38:43 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 28625174 for multiple; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:44:01 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , , , , , , , , , Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:33:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWlg2iEj9P/xPGMR+OXdEJAe/r+GQ== Message-ID: <1124541841_139274@S4.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.009000 Adult words=0.2,From: ends in numbers=1.0,Gifs in urls=0.8,Jpegs in urls=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 135, in=310, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Right wing pundits repeatedly cite Hillary Clinton demanding more US troops into the qugmire occupation Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sickening to watch the Bill Maher show last night and hear his two right wing guests keep citing and praising Hillary for calling for more US troops there and the democratic party for not sending any democratic party leaders to Camp Casey. Could Kucinich go? On the war issue, lesser evil voting may demand voting for a republican. (or vote your consience) If you click below remind Hillary that each day in Iraq prolongs the inevitable civil war there and does not solve the fundamental problem: an illegal, immoral, and unwinnable -short of genocide- invasion/occupation/war. Click on this link to ask Hillary Clinton to stop calling for more US troops to Iraq and Afganistan http://clinton.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm Troops out today, trials tomorrow hank www.gp.org alabama CONTACT SENATOR CLINTON Comment on an Issue Request Help with Federal Agencies Request a Flag Request a Tour Invitations/Meeting/Scheduling Requests Website Comments & Help Comment on an Issue Personal Information Prefix: Please Select One Mr. Mrs. Ms. Mr. and Mrs. Miss Dr. Hon. Rev. Rabbi Admiral Commander Colonel General Lieutenant Lt. Col. 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Comments --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg image/gif image/gif --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 12:27:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 30978 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 12:27:13 -0000 Received: from s2.cableone.net (24.116.0.228) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 12:27:13 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S2) with ESMTP id 27946738 for multiple; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:26:06 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , , , , , , , Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 07:22:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWmE34Xg0BAqxDfTn2cIU8QKTtb2gANf+IA Message-ID: <1124630766_133919@S2.cableone.net> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 136, in=303, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] Cindy Sheehan blasts media, pro-war 'hypocrites & liars' (Common Dreams) Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Now that the pentagon announced their gonna ramp up troop levels towards 160,000 from 136,000 in Iraq and increase levels in Afganistan by sending an 82nd Airborne contingent of nearly 1,000; and as Hillary Clinton and John Kerry are calling for far more increases quoted as supporting some military commanders demands for 400- 500,000 boots on the ground there, peace folk can and should address "no escalation" Hypocrites and Liars by Cindy Sheehan Common Dreams, August 20, 2005 http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0820-30.htm The media are wrong. The people who have come out to Camp Casey to help coordinate the press and events with me are not putting words in my mouth, they are taking words out of my mouth. I have been known for sometime as a person who speaks the truth and speaks it strongly. I have always called a liar a liar and a hypocrite a hypocrite. Now I am urged to use softer language to appeal to a wider audience. Why do my friends at Camp Casey think they are there? Why did such a big movement occur from such a small action on August 6, 2005? I haven't had much time to analyze the Camp Casey phenomena. I just read that I gave 250 interviews in less than a weeks time. I believe it. I would go to bed with a raw throat every night. I got pretty tired of answering some questions, like: 'What do you want to say to the President?' and 'Do you really think he will meet with you?' However, since my mom has been sick I have had a chance to step back and ponder the flood gates that I opened in Crawford, TX. I just read an article posted today on LewRockwell.com by artist Robert Shetterly who painted my portrait. The article reminded me of something I said at the Veteran's for Peace Convention the night before I set out to Bush's ranch in my probable futile quest for the truth. This is what I said: "I got an e-mail the other day and it said, 'Cindy if you didn't use so much profanity '. There's people on the fence that get offended.' And you know what I said? 'You know what? You know what, god damn it? How in the world is anybody still sitting on that fence?' "If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home. And if you fall on the side that is against this war and against George Bush, stand up and speak out." This is what the Camp Casey miracle is all about. American citizens who oppose the war but never had a conduit for their disgust and dismay are dropping everything and traveling to Crawford to stand in solidarity with us who have made a commitment to sit outside of George's ranch for the duration of the miserable Texan August. If they can't come to Texas, they are attending vigils, writing letters to their elected officials and to their local newspapers; they are setting up Camp Casey branches in their hometowns; they are sending flowers, cards, letters, gifts, and donations here to us at Camp Casey. We are so grateful for all of the support, but I think pro-peace Americans are grateful for something to do, finally. One thing I haven't noticed or become aware of though is an increased number of pro-war, pro-Bush people on the other side of the fence enlisting to go and fight George Bush's war for imperialism and insatiable greed. The pro-peace side has gotten off their apathetic butts to be warriors for peace and justice. Where are the pro-war people? Everyday at Camp Casey we have a couple of anti-peace people on the other side of the road holding up signs that remind me that 'Freedom isn't Free' but I don't see them putting their money where their mouths are. I don't think they are willing to pay even a small down payment for freedom by sacrificing their own blood or the flesh of their children. I still challenge them to go to Iraq and let another soldier come home. Perhaps a soldier that is on his/her third tour of duty, or one that has been stop-lossed after serving his/her country nobly and selflessly, only to be held hostage in Iraq by power mad hypocrites who have a long history of avoiding putting their own skin in the game. Contrary to what the mainstream media thinks, I did not just fall off a pumpkin truck in Crawford, TX. on that scorchingly hot day two weeks ago. I have been writing, speaking, testifying in front of Congressional committees, lobbying Congress, and doing interviews for over a year now. I have been pretty well known in the progressive, peace community and I had many, many supporters before I left even left California. The people who supported me did so because they know that I uncompromisingly tell the truth about this war. I have stood up and said: 'My son died for NOTHING, and George Bush and his evil cabal and their reckless policies killed him. My son was sent to fight in a war that had no basis in reality and was killed for it.' I have never said 'pretty please' or 'thank you.' I have never said anything wishy-washy like he uses 'Patriotic Rhetoric.' I say my son died for LIES. George Bush LIED to us and he knew he was LYING. The Downing Street Memos dated 23 July, 2002 prove that he knew that Saddam didn't have WMD's or any ties to Al Qaeda. I believe that George lied and he knew he was lying. He didn't use patriotic rhetoric. He lied and made us afraid of ghosts that weren't there. Now he is using patriotic rhetoric to keep the U.S. military presence in Iraq: Patriotic rhetoric that is based on greed and nothing else. Now I am being vilified and dragged through the mud by the righties and so-called 'fair and balanced' mainstream media who are afraid of the truth and can't face someone who tells it by telling any truth of their own. Now they have to twist, distort, lie, and scrutinize anything I have ever said when they never scrutinize anything that George Bush said or is saying. Instead of asking George or Scotty McClellan if he will meet with me, why aren't they asking the questions they should have been asking all along: 'Why are our young people fighting, dying, and killing in Iraq? What is this noble cause you are sending our young people to Iraq for? What do you hope to accomplish there? Why did you tell us there were WMD's and ties to Al Qaeda when you knew there weren't? Why did you lie to us? Why did you lie to the American people? Why did you lie to the world? Why are our nation's children still in harm's way and dying everyday when we all know you lied? Why do you continually say we have to 'complete the mission' when you know damn well you have no idea what that mission is and you can change it at will like you change your cowboy shirts?' Camp Casey has grown and prospered and survived all attacks and challenges because America is sick and tired of liars and hypocrites and we want the answers to the tough questions that I was the first to dare ask. THIS is George Bush's accountability moment and he is failing miserably. George Bush and his advisers seriously 'misunderestimated' me when they thought they could intimidate me into leaving before I had the answers, or before the end of August. I can take anything they throw at me, or Camp Casey. If it shortens the war by a minute or saves one life, it is worth it. I think they seriously 'misunderestimated' all mothers. I wonder if any of them had authentic mother-child relationships and if they are surprised that there are so many mothers in this country who are bear-like when it comes to wanting the truth and who want to make meaning of their child's needless and seemingly meaningless deaths? The Camp Casey movement will not die until we have a genuine accounting of the truth and until our troops are brought home. Get used to it George, we are not going away. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From henryduke2004@yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 13:11:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 951 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 13:11:27 -0000 Received: from s3.cableone.net (24.116.0.229) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 13:11:27 -0000 Received: from LIFEBOOK (unverified [69.92.152.16]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 28858861 for multiple; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 06:32:16 -0700 Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "h duke" To: , , , , , , , , Cc: "'T. Moss'" , "'Noor Gillani'" , , Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:05:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWlg2iEj9P/xPGMR+OXdEJAe/r+GQAyTcrA Message-ID: <1124631136_144626@S3.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.009000 Adult words=0.2,From: ends in numbers=1.0,Gifs in urls=0.8,Jpegs in urls=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 132, in=328, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.152.16 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Subject: [Peace-discussion] RE: Right wing pundits repeatedly cite Hillary Clinton demanding more US troops into the qugmire occupation Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: "E", fellow greens, members of PDA/Kucinich supporters, friends, and anyone for peace and justice: The key question for peace and justice folks is to not do what former green party leader and founder of Code Pink did and not to do what Dennis Kucinich did. Go for it, support Dennis or Russ Feingold now, but let them know you will leave the democratic party or vote somewhere else if Hillary, John Kerry, Dianne Feinstein, Senator Simon, Lieberman et al are nominated. You can request Dennis Kucinich to join the Green Party or to leave the democratic party if one of the above is nominated at http://www.kucinich.us/contact/ The former green party leader and founder of Code Pink, while I admire her a great deal, exemplifies how Hillary Clinton gets away calling for more murder. As long as people agree and vote "lesser evil," the lesser evil party will cater and pander to their main corporate/war industry supporter. When you assert your independence as Ralph Nader did and a majority of the Green Party did, Hillary Clinton and the proverbial "masters of war," will attack you in every way but start catering to your peace demands. When you support candidates calling for more troops into Iraq, as Kucinich and the former Green and founder of Code Pink did, you will not bring peace or win the war of occupation, you will mereley cause more suffering and more loss of life for americans and Iraqis; ultimately you will delay the date of Iraqi's destiny of self-determination, for someday Iraq will be free of occupation. Return the troops today, reparation and war crimes trials tomorrow, hd In a message dated 8/20/2005 10:21:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JFdttcom writes: "It might work, a Gore/Dean ticket would just excite the crazies." Heh heh, yeah it would definitely do that -- although I've committed to Feingold only because he's actually spoken up now. Gore/Dean is a great idea, but based on many contingencies may not come to pass. Were it to, however, it would give me serious pause in my Feingold support. It just feels good to have a real live unambiguous (in his position) candidate to through my thoughts behind for now. Very cathartic. I saw that it wasn't a petition for Hillary, but her contact page. Here's what I sent her: I think, morally, it would be best if you didn't call for more troops in Iraq. Since there is now a peace candidate in the Democratic Party, however, in Russ Feingold, I don't think it matters anymore in terms of election politics if you do or not. He will win the nomination and the general election, since he is representing the view of most Americans, and not of the military/corporate complex. Thanks for your other contributions, though, and sorry you ended up on the wrong side of this issue. _____ From: h duke [mailto:henryduke2004@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:34 AM To: 'Alabama_PeaceFirst@yahoogroups.com'; 'AlaGreensLIST@yahoogroups.com'; 'AlabamaProgressives@yahoogroups.com'; 'PeaceTalkBham@yahoogroups.com'; 'peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org'; 'peace@lists.gp-us.org'; 'tuscapeace@yahoogroups.com'; 'gpoc_discuss@yahoogroups.com'; 'tuscapeace@yahoogroups.com'; 'gastreetactions@yahoogroups.com' Subject: Right wing pundits repeatedly cite Hillary Clinton demanding more US troops into the qugmire occupation Sickening to watch the Bill Maher show last night and hear his two right wing guests keep citing and praising Hillary for calling for more US troops there and the democratic party for not sending any democratic party leaders to Camp Casey. Could Kucinich go? On the war issue, lesser evil voting may demand voting for a republican. 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Comments --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg image/gif image/gif --- From gillani@nsstc.uah.edu Sun Aug 21 15:17:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 7206 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 15:17:45 -0000 Received: from mail.nsstc.uah.edu (192.67.107.3) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 15:17:45 -0000 Received: from [192.168.251.76] (vpn-gillani.nsstc.uah.edu [192.168.251.76]) by mail.nsstc.uah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570C2AF2E7; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:17:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43089B25.8070204@nsstc.uah.edu> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:17:57 -0500 From: Noor Gillani User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: henryduke2004@yahoo.com Cc: Alabama_PeaceFirst@yahoogroups.com, AlaGreensLIST@yahoogroups.com, AlabamaProgressives@yahoogroups.com, PeaceTalkBham@yahoogroups.com, peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org, peace@lists.gp-us.org, tuscapeace@yahoogroups.com, gpoc_discuss@yahoogroups.com, gastreetactions@yahoogroups.com, "'T. Moss'" , salsaman-jr@yahoo.com, roylech@yahoo.com References: <1124631136_144626@S3.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <1124631136_144626@S3.cableone.net> X-NSSTC-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NSSTC-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.2, required 5, BAYES_01 -5.40, CLICK_BELOW 0.00, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, HOT_NASTY 0.51, IN_REP_TO -0.37, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR 0.68, MIME_MISSING_BOUNDARY 1.33, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) X-MailScanner-From: gillani@nsstc.uah.edu X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: [Peace-discussion] Re: {Spam?} RE: Right wing pundits repeatedly cite Hillary Clinton demanding more US troops into the qugmire occupation Sender: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Henry, Re- your statement: "When you support candidates calling for more troops into Iraq, as Kucinich and the former Green and founder of Code Pink did", you are totally wrong about Kucinich, at least. As far as I know, he called for total and immediate US withdrawal from the beginning of the war (and indeed, he was a strong opponent of the war even before it was started), AND he also called for restitution by the US of the costs of rebuilding Iraq. So, I don't know where you got your info as you state it. It is just plain wrong. As for the "founder of Code Pink", who are you referring to? I thought (and I may be wrong about this) that Medea Benjamin was the founder, in which case, she too has been, from the first, a very strong proponent of total and immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Noor h duke wrote: > "E", fellow greens, members of PDA/Kucinich supporters, friends, and > anyone for peace and justice: > > The key question for peace and justice folks is to not do what former > green party leader and founder of Code Pink did and not to do what > Dennis Kucinich did. > > Go for it, support Dennis or Russ Feingold now, but let them know you > will leave the democratic party or vote somewhere else if Hillary, > John Kerry, Dianne Feinstein, Senator Simon, Lieberman et al are > nominated. > > You can request Dennis Kucinich to join the Green Party or to leave > the democratic party if one of the above is nominated at > http://www.kucinich.us/contact/ > > The former green party leader and founder of Code Pi