[Peace-discussion] Fwd: [usgp-coo] ID 238- A No Vote to Correct Language in Resolution
Owen Broadhurst
owen.broadhurst@gmail.com
Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:16:35 -0400
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From: Owen Broadhurst <owen.broadhurst@gmail.com>
Date: Aug 1, 2006 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [usgp-coo] ID 238- A No Vote to Correct Language in Resolution
To: natlcomvotes@green.gpus.org
On 8/1/06, Mato Ska <m_zehr@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I suggest that we establish something as a guideline BEFORE making GPAX a
> standing committee. There is way too much cat-herding going on not
> to establish consistent policies and procedures starting RIGHT NOW.
I am uncertain if Mato Ska proposes a uniform set of rules for standing
committees. I favor the wisdom of the BRPP SCOC report, and prefer that
report's sage recommendation.
http://gp.org/committees/brpp/overview.shtml
Further comments follow:
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Why vote on making GPAX a standing committee before we can even agree on
> what a standing committee is and how it will function? I would make the case
> that the existing committee structure and internal guidelines have made such
> a mess of things that we need to establish what their purposes are within
> the party.
I have no knowledge of any bases for the suggestion that our working and
standing committees are such abject failures.
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No one seems to know and everyone wants to decide for him or her/self what
> the committee can do. These are working committees. Their job is to
> accomplish certain defined tasks in a way that support state parties and the
>
> national campaigns.
The Policies and Procedures document defines their task.
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Removal is needed in any organizational structure to provide a mechanism
> that addresses carrying out the responsibilities of the committees and
> enable the committees to function effectively.
Convince me.
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States have their own bodies and representatives which they have authority
> over.
This includes their representatives to the standing committees. The
Green-Rainbow Party maintains that it alone appoints its representatives,
and it alone removes them. The Green-Rainbow Party did approve of Resolution
41 only having been assured that committees do NOT self-select.
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A standing committee needs to be a working committee, not a debating
> society.
Which standing committees are now debating societies?
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A working committee needs to recognize its obligations, such as filing
> reports, requesting a budget, defining its mission and yearly goals and
> objectives.
I believe GPAX would agree.
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It also needs to work with all levels of the party organization and
> effectively assist candidates, not create conflicts with them.
What committees are creating conflicts with them?
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It needs to function as an integral component of the GPUS and the state
> party and not as an advocacy group with its own agenda.
I believe GPAX would agree.
--
Owen R. Broadhurst
Candidate for State Representative
Third Hampden District
http://www.owenbroadhurst.org
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br><span class="gmail_quote">From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Owen Broadhurst</b> <<a href="mailto:owen.broadhurst@gmail.com">owen.broadhurst@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Aug 1, 2006 11:08 PM
<br>Subject: Re: [usgp-coo] ID 238- A No Vote to Correct Language in Resolution<br>To: <a href="mailto:natlcomvotes@green.gpus.org">natlcomvotes@green.gpus.org</a><br><br></span>
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<div><span class="q"><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/1/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mato Ska</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:m_zehr@hotmail.com" target="_blank">m_zehr@hotmail.com
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<div><span class="q">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I suggest that we establish something as a guideline BEFORE making GPAX a standing committee. There is way too much cat-herding going on not to establish consistent policies and procedures starting RIGHT NOW.
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<div>I am uncertain if Mato Ska proposes a uniform set of rules for standing committees. I favor the wisdom of the BRPP SCOC report, and prefer that report's sage recommendation.</div>
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<div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://gp.org/committees/brpp/overview.shtml" target="_blank">http://gp.org/committees/brpp/overview.shtml</a></div>
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<div>Further comments follow:</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Why vote on making GPAX a standing committee before we can even agree on what a standing committee is and how it will function? I would make the case that the existing committee structure and internal guidelines have made such a mess of things that we need to establish what their purposes are within the party.
</blockquote>
<div> </div>
<div> </div></span></div>
<div>
<div>I have no knowledge of any bases for the suggestion that our working and standing committees are such abject failures.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>=========</div></div>
<div><span class="q"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">No one seems to know and everyone wants to decide for him or her/self what the committee can do. These are working committees. Their job is to accomplish certain defined tasks in a way that support state parties and the
<br>national campaigns.</blockquote>
<div> </div></span></div>
<div>
<div>The Policies and Procedures document defines their task.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div><span class="q"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Removal is needed in any organizational structure to provide a mechanism that addresses carrying out the responsibilities of the committees and enable the committees to function effectively.
</blockquote>
<div> </div></span></div>
<div>
<div>Convince me.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>=========</div></div>
<div><span class="q"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">States have their own bodies and representatives which they have authority over. </blockquote>
<div> </div></span></div>
<div>
<div>This includes their representatives to the standing committees. The Green-Rainbow Party maintains that it alone appoints its representatives, and it alone removes them. The Green-Rainbow Party did approve of Resolution 41 only having been assured that committees do NOT self-select.
</div>
<div> </div>
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<div><span class="q">
<div> </div>
<div> </div><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">A standing committee needs to be a working committee, not a debating society.</blockquote>
<div> </div>
<div> </div></span></div>
<div>
<div>Which standing committees are now debating societies?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>=========</div></div>
<div><span class="q"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">A working committee needs to recognize its obligations, such as filing reports, requesting a budget, defining its mission and yearly goals and objectives.
</blockquote>
<div> </div></span></div>
<div>
<div>I believe GPAX would agree.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div><span class="q"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">It also needs to work with all levels of the party organization and effectively assist candidates, not create conflicts with them.
</blockquote>
<div> </div></span></div>
<div>
<div>What committees are creating conflicts with them?</div></div>
<div><span class="q">
<div> </div>
<div>========</div><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">It needs to function as an integral component of the GPUS and the state party and not as an advocacy group with its own agenda.
</blockquote>
<div> </div></span></div>
<div>
<div>I believe GPAX would agree.</div>
<div><span class="q"><br><br clear="all"><br></span></div>
<div></div></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Owen R. Broadhurst<br>Candidate for State Representative <br>Third Hampden District<br><a href="http://www.owenbroadhurst.org">http://www.owenbroadhurst.org</a>
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