[Peace-discussion] Must read.
a.gronowicz@att.net
a.gronowicz@att.net
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Pat Buchanan was/is against the war. Ron Paul is just more politically effective.
Tony
-------------- Original message from David Strand <mncivil@yahoo.com>: --------------
> John, I am neither a socialist nor a Dem nor a
> Republican nor a libertarian but a Green and have been
> since the late 1980's. I believe my objections to Ron
> Paul are neither left(socialist) nor right(cato
> institute libertarian or socially conservative right).
>
> I believe my objections are Green and backed by what
> the Greens have stood for in this country ever since
> the Green meeting of Correspondence in St. Paul which
> was the first national gathering of Greens in the U.S.
> in 1984.
>
> Call them left, call them right, I call them neither
> right nor left but forward!
>
> AND FUTURE FOCUSED!
>
> If you want to campaign for Ron Paul have at it, but I
> plan on voting for a Green candidate for president and
> right now don't believe that I would be uncomfortable
> voting for any of the six of seven potential
> candidates I've meet so far(I've not meet Elaine Brown
> but have had no objections to what I've seen of her so
> far or what I've read in her books).
>
> Why are you seeking support for a milesian Libertarian
> running for the Republican nomination on a Green Party
> list? Beyond him being against the war and for
> reasons other than our own against some forms of
> imperialism(though I would argue not all particularly
> in the form of corporate imperialism) and aside from
> his peculiar brand of populism which we might learn
> from if we can motivate such reaction for our own
> candidates from distinctly different motivations for
> the most part, why would you want us to support
> someone endorsed by nearly every white supremacist
> website endorsing a presidential candidate in the
> U.S.?
>
> I just don't get it. Why do you think his popularity
> is a good thing? Because he's opposed to the war?
>
> Why would you try to promote him here of all places on
> a listserve of partisans who are partisan enough to be
> involved with the Greens at the national level? Don't
> you think if these are your true feelings your energy
> would be better spent trying to convince people who
> aren't attatched to a political party such as the
> Greens?
>
> I doubt most of his own supporters know what he
> actually stands for and that is too bad. I've seen
> how many people have been yanked out of apolitical
> stances into supporting his campaign but most of them
> have no coherent idea of what his actual agenda is and
> have latched on to one or another of his positions
> whether it be abolishing all income taxes, opposing
> the war, or ending all civil rights laws. Most seem
> to be seeing and projecting their outrage with various
> parts of our government and our government's policies
> without realizing that we have a government for a
> reason and government and in of itself is not bad.
>
> I acknowledge Greens have significant anarchist roots
> and support bioregionalism and local community
> economics and decentralization, but these are a far
> different ball game than Ron Paul's "any government
> but defense of country and private property from
> aggression is bad" stance.
>
> David Strand
> > > > John Walsh wrote:
> > > > Actually Nader has spoken approvingly of Paul -
> > and vice versa. Neither is
> > > > a socialist in the old 19th century sense of the
> > word - but neither am I and
> > > > neither is the GP.
>
>
>
>
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<P>Pat Buchanan was/is against the war. Ron Paul is just more politically effective.</P>
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<P>Tony<BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message from David Strand <mncivil@yahoo.com>: -------------- <BR><BR><BR>> John, I am neither a socialist nor a Dem nor a <BR>> Republican nor a libertarian but a Green and have been <BR>> since the late 1980's. I believe my objections to Ron <BR>> Paul are neither left(socialist) nor right(cato <BR>> institute libertarian or socially conservative right). <BR>> <BR>> I believe my objections are Green and backed by what <BR>> the Greens have stood for in this country ever since <BR>> the Green meeting of Correspondence in St. Paul which <BR>> was the first national gathering of Greens in the U.S. <BR>> in 1984. <BR>> <BR>> Call them left, call them right, I call them neither <BR>> right nor left but forward! <BR>> <BR>> AND FUTURE FOCUSED! <BR>> <BR>> If you want to campaign for Ron Paul have at it, but I <BR>>
; plan on voting for a Green candidate for president and <BR>> right now don't believe that I would be uncomfortable <BR>> voting for any of the six of seven potential <BR>> candidates I've meet so far(I've not meet Elaine Brown <BR>> but have had no objections to what I've seen of her so <BR>> far or what I've read in her books). <BR>> <BR>> Why are you seeking support for a milesian Libertarian <BR>> running for the Republican nomination on a Green Party <BR>> list? Beyond him being against the war and for <BR>> reasons other than our own against some forms of <BR>> imperialism(though I would argue not all particularly <BR>> in the form of corporate imperialism) and aside from <BR>> his peculiar brand of populism which we might learn <BR>> from if we can motivate such reaction for our own <BR>> candidates from distinctly different motivations for <BR>> the most part, why would you want us to support <BR>> someone endorsed by near
ly every white supremacist <BR>> website endorsing a presidential candidate in the <BR>> U.S.? <BR>> <BR>> I just don't get it. Why do you think his popularity <BR>> is a good thing? Because he's opposed to the war? <BR>> <BR>> Why would you try to promote him here of all places on <BR>> a listserve of partisans who are partisan enough to be <BR>> involved with the Greens at the national level? Don't <BR>> you think if these are your true feelings your energy <BR>> would be better spent trying to convince people who <BR>> aren't attatched to a political party such as the <BR>> Greens? <BR>> <BR>> I doubt most of his own supporters know what he <BR>> actually stands for and that is too bad. I've seen <BR>> how many people have been yanked out of apolitical <BR>> stances into supporting his campaign but most of them <BR>> have no coherent idea of what his actual agenda is and <BR>> have latched on to one or another of his po
sitions <BR>> whether it be abolishing all income taxes, opposing <BR>> the war, or ending all civil rights laws. Most seem <BR>> to be seeing and projecting their outrage with various <BR>> parts of our government and our government's policies <BR>> without realizing that we have a government for a <BR>> reason and government and in of itself is not bad. <BR>> <BR>> I acknowledge Greens have significant anarchist roots <BR>> and support bioregionalism and local community <BR>> economics and decentralization, but these are a far <BR>> different ball game than Ron Paul's "any government <BR>> but defense of country and private property from <BR>> aggression is bad" stance. <BR>> <BR>> David Strand <BR>> > > > John Walsh wrote: <BR>> > > > Actually Nader has spoken approvingly of Paul - <BR>> > and vice versa. Neither is <BR>> > > > a socialist in the old 19th century sense of the <BR>> > wor
d - but neither am I and <BR>> > > > neither is the GP. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ________________________________________________________________________________ <BR>> ____ <BR>> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. <BR>> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs <BR>> _______________________________________________ <BR>> Peace-discussion mailing list <BR>> Peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org <BR>> http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/peace-discussion </BLOCKQUOTE>
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