So John, what's your plan...Re: [Peace-discussion] Must read.

[John Walsh]

I might point out that the same "pwog" Dems like UFPJ have worked hard
to keep Greens, Libertarians and Ralph Nader out of the peace
movement.  We already have the  same enemies.

Now you ask how an alliance with Libertarians is possible?  To do so
at the national level is something that needs work.  It will not
happen if we do not discuss it.
BUT I think of two things:
First, see FilibusterForPeace.org   Kevin Zeese (another Green),
myself and Richard Aucoin, the Libertarian Lt. Gubernatorial candidate
here in MA, started it.  In fact we fondly hope that GPAX will push
this - it shows that the Dems HAVE the power to end the war in a
veto-proof way to end the war.  They have the power but they favor the
war.  That is a great help in getting at the "left" wing of the
duopoly.
Let's discuss it in our next conference call.
Second, Kevin Zeese ran a Senatorial campaign in which he got the
endorsement of Libertarians AND Greens in MD.  That is a model for the
future.

Right now Paul is much to be preferred over any of the candidates
running a real national campaign.

john walsh (MA delegate)

p.s. I stopped talking of sins when I abandoned my plans for the
seminary at age 17.  Or as Jesse Jackson said once, "This is politics
not theology."  Principles are essential and no one is speaking of
abandoning them BUT on the Left there is often a smugness about having
all the answers.  We do not.  Too often this smugness is a triumph of
ideology over fact - to paraphrase Ralph Nader in another context.

On 12/15/07, a.gronowicz@att.net <a.gronowicz@att.net> wrote:
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> Correct.  Tony
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> -------------- Original message from David Strand <mncivil@yahoo.com>:
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>
> > Seven Deadly Social Sins
> >
> > Gandhi
> >
> > 1] politics without principle
> >
> > 2] wealth without work
> >
> > 3] commerce without morality
> >
> > 4] pleasure without conscience
> >
> > 5] education without character
> >
> > 6] science without humanity
> >
> > 7] worship without sacrifice
> >
> > John, I am willing to make alliances to end the war
> > but as far as your statements about "purity" I think
> > what you are calling "purity" is what many of us we
> > call "principles" and I don't believe in doing
> > politics without principles.
> >
> > Can we still form strategic alliances to achieve
> > common goals such as ending the war?
> >
> > Abso lutely.
> >
> > Do I think liberterians are gulity of several of
> > Ghandi's so called Deadly Social Sins?
> >
> > Yes!
> >
> > But I'm still willing to work with them towards common
> > ends.
> >
> > So, what is your proposal and how would it work?
> >
> > No one has said we can't do such alliances for
> > strategic purposes we are simply saying why we don't
> > support Ron Paul. Now a strategy to end the war
> > together with Ron Paul supporters, that is obviously
> > open to discussion, what does it look like?
> >
> > After all, even the nonviolent theologian and theorist
> > Bonhoffer found that sometimes actions he would have
> > thought unthinkable were right under given
> > circumstances.
> >
> > David Strand
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> >
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