So John, what's your plan...Re: [Peace-discussion] Must read.

[Aimee Smith]

on fillibuster -
There is someone in town very excited to join this campaign
Will let you know what we come up with.  In particular, he wants
to expose the democratic officials enabling war.

On coaltion with Libertarians:
in MI we have a third parties coalition with the libertarians (who
have ballot status), socialists (who don't have ballot status), and
US Taxpayers party (who like us have ballot status.)  It is mostly
geared toward electoral reforms, but as far as I am aware, the
alliance is cordial and productive.

Aimee

On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:05 PM, John Walsh wrote:

> I might point out that the same "pwog" Dems like UFPJ have worked hard
> to keep Greens, Libertarians and Ralph Nader out of the peace
> movement.  We already have the  same enemies.
>
> Now you ask how an alliance with Libertarians is possible?  To do so
> at the national level is something that needs work.  It will not
> happen if we do not discuss it.
> BUT I think of two things:
> First, see FilibusterForPeace.org   Kevin Zeese (another Green),
> myself and Richard Aucoin, the Libertarian Lt. Gubernatorial candidate
> here in MA, started it.  In fact we fondly hope that GPAX will push
> this - it shows that the Dems HAVE the power to end the war in a
> veto-proof way to end the war.  They have the power but they favor the
> war.  That is a great help in getting at the "left" wing of the
> duopoly.
> Let's discuss it in our next conference call.
> Second, Kevin Zeese ran a Senatorial campaign in which he got the
> endorsement of Libertarians AND Greens in MD.  That is a model for the
> future.
>
> Right now Paul is much to be preferred over any of the candidates
> running a real national campaign.
>
> john walsh (MA delegate)
>
> p.s. I stopped talking of sins when I abandoned my plans for the
> seminary at age 17.  Or as Jesse Jackson said once, "This is politics
> not theology."  Principles are essential and no one is speaking of
> abandoning them BUT on the Left there is often a smugness about having
> all the answers.  We do not.  Too often this smugness is a triumph of
> ideology over fact - to paraphrase Ralph Nader in another context.
>
> On 12/15/07, a.gronowicz@att.net <a.gronowicz@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Correct.  Tony
>>
>> -------------- Original message from David Strand  
>> <mncivil@yahoo.com>:
>> --------------
>>
>>
>>
>>> Seven Deadly Social Sins
>>>
>>> Gandhi
>>>
>>> 1] politics without principle
>>>
>>> 2] wealth without work
>>>
>>> 3] commerce without morality
>>>
>>> 4] pleasure without conscience
>>>
>>> 5] education without character
>>>
>>> 6] science without humanity
>>>
>>> 7] worship without sacrifice
>>>
>>> John, I am willing to make alliances to end the war
>>> but as far as your statements about "purity" I think
>>> what you are calling "purity" is what many of us we
>>> call "principles" and I don't believe in doing
>>> politics without principles.
>>>
>>> Can we still form strategic alliances to achieve
>>> common goals such as ending the war?
>>>
>>> Abso lutely.
>>>
>>> Do I think liberterians are gulity of several of
>>> Ghandi's so called Deadly Social Sins?
>>>
>>> Yes!
>>>
>>> But I'm still willing to work with them towards common
>>> ends.
>>>
>>> So, what is your proposal and how would it work?
>>>
>>> No one has said we can't do such alliances for
>>> strategic purposes we are simply saying why we don't
>>> support Ron Paul. Now a strategy to end the war
>>> together with Ron Paul supporters, that is obviously
>>> open to discussion, what does it look like?
>>>
>>> After all, even the nonviolent theologian and theorist
>>> Bonhoffer found that sometimes actions he would have
>>> thought unthinkable were right under given
>>> circumstances.
>>>
>>> David Strand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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