[Peace-discussion] Re: Coalition with Libertarians Unless they Are Openly Racist or White Nationalists
Aimee Smith
alsmith@hvgreens.org
Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:19:11 -0500
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There is a difference between the libertarians and
the KKK. And as I already stated, we in MI have been
working on election reform in MI with Libertarians and
others. And David pointed out that there has already been
a coalition effort in the Ohio recount.
Tony, I sent out an article, but your email always bounces,
so I am going to send it via another email. But the point
is to think about moving coalitions depending on the issue.
Just think about it - I think we need to be willing to work
with people who think very differently in an effort to both
*encourage* them to think differently (in a respectful manner)
as we win campaigns against shared harms. In other words,
win people over to our values by action instead of words.
Sincerely,
Aimee
On Dec 16, 2007, at 9:46 AM, a.gronowicz@att.net wrote:
> I just excerpted from your quote. You said and now I paraphrase
> since you can't seem to recognize your own quote that an alliance
> with the Libertarians is possible needs work.
>
>
> Why bother? And why bother to push REPUBLICAN Ron Paul on us?
>
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:05 PM, John Walsh wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I might point out th at the same "pwog" Dems like UFPJ
> have worked
> > hard
> >
> > > > > > to keep Greens, Libertarians and Ralph Nader out of the
> peace
> > > > > > movement. We already have the same enemies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now you ask how an alliance with Libertarians is
> possible? To do so
> > > > > > at the national level is something that needs work. It
> will not
> > > > > > happen if we do not discuss it.
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "John Walsh"
> <jvwalshmd@gmail.com>: --------------
>
>
> > Could you please show me the quote where I say that. If you
> cannot, I
> > think you owe me an apology.
> > Have you ever been attacked physically by the KKK? I have. And when
> > I read this ugly comment, it makes me sick.
> > If you cannot apologize, please do not communicate with me any more.
> > john walsh (MA delegate)
> >
> > On 12/16/07, a.gronowicz@att.net wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You are.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On December 15 at 2:05 PM you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now you ask how an alliance with Libertarians is possible? To
> do so
> > > > > > at the national level is something th at nee ds work. It
> will not
> > > > > > happen if we do not discuss it.
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message from "John Walsh" :
> > > --------------
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well of course no one would want such an alliance. But who is
> talking
> > > > about such a thing?
> > > > john walsh (MA delegate)
> > > >
> > > > On 12/15/07, a.gronowicz@att.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Couldn't agree more. Tony
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------- Original message from "henry duke" :
> > > > > --------------
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The nazi's, KKK, or radical libertarians in the
> minutemen; Me and mine
> > > > > shall
> > > > > > have no coalition with.
> > & gt; > > >
> > > > > > Being against the war because you want the National Guard
> back in the
> > > USA
> > > > > to
> > > > > > build the wall against Mexicans, is a position I will not
> make
> > > coalition
> > > > > > with, as these chauvinists are the growing righwing
> violent militias
> > > which
> > > > > I
> > > > > > will positively peacefully oppose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can make coalition with uneducated, unprincipled
> opportunists, or
> > > even
> > > > > > evil cynical fools like the Democrats, Libertarians,
> Greens, or
> > > > > Republicans
> > > > > > who think Iraq is wrong because the real war should be in
> Afghanistan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And for the European Colonialist types who justify White
> or European > > > > > "democracies" like Israe l or South Africa as
> legitimate, yes, like
> > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > European conquests of the so called new world, they may
> be legitimate,
> > > but
> > > > > > it is a legitimacy based on terrorism, violence, and war,
> and
> > > specifically
> > > > > > White / European terrorism, violence, and genocide.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Having blabbed that I can work in coalition with anti-war
> types, but
> > > when
> > > > > it
> > > > > > comes to openly chauvinist folks, I draw a line, refuse,
> and IMO - and
> > > > > very
> > > > > > stubborn opinion -- we all should and I think we should
> exclude people
> > > > > from
> > > > > > any peace action committee who are not committed to anti-
> racism or
> > > a gainst
> > > > > > womyn rights.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For action,
> > > > > > Henry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org
> > > > > > [mailto:peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > > Of Aimee Smith
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:15 AM
> > > > > > To: John Walsh
> > > > > > Cc: a.gronowicz@att.net; David Strand ; Nick Schmader;
> GPAX Discussion
> > > > > List
> > > > > > Subject: Re: So John , what's your plan...Re: [Peace-
> discussion] Must
> > > read.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > on fillibuster -
> > > > > > There is someone in town very excited to join this campaign
> > > > & gt; > Will let you know what we come up with. In
> particular, he wants
> > > > > > to expose the democratic officials enabling war.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On coaltion with Libertarians:
> > > > > > in MI we have a third parties coalition with the
> libertarians (who
> > > > > > have ballot status), socialists (who don't have ballot
> status), and
> > > > > > US Taxpayers party (who like us have ballot status.) It
> is mostly
> > > > > > geared toward electoral reforms, but as far as I am
> aware, the
> > > > > > alliance is cordial and productive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aimee
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:05 PM, John Walsh wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I might point out th at the same "pwog" Dems like UFPJ
> have worked
> &g t; > ; hard
> > >
> > > > > > > to keep Greens, Libertarians and Ralph Nader out of the
> peace
> > > > > > > movement. We already have the same enemies.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now you ask how an alliance with Libertarians is
> possible? To do so
> > > > > > > at the national level is something that needs work. It
> will not
> > > > > > > happen if we do not discuss it.
> > > > > > > BUT I think of two things:
> > > > > > > First, see FilibusterForPeace.org Kevin Zeese (another
> Green),
> > > > > > > myself and Richard Aucoin, the Libertarian Lt.
> Gubernatorial
> > > candidate
> > > > > > > here in MA, started it. In fact we fondly hope that
> GPAX will push
> > > > > > > this - it shows that the Dems HAVE the power to end the
> war in a
> > > > > > > veto-proof way to end the war. They have the power but
> they favor
> > > the
> > > > > > > war. That is a great help in getting at the "left" wing
> of the
> > > > > > > duopoly.
> > > > > > > Let's discuss it in our next conference call.
> > > > > > > Second, Kevin Zeese ran a Senatorial campaign in which
> he got the
> > > > > > > end orsement of Libertarians AND Greens in MD. That is
> a model for
> > > the
> > > > > > > future.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Right now Paul is much to be preferred over any of the
> candidates
> > > > > > > running a real national campaign.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > john walsh (MA delegate)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > p.s. I stopped talking of sins when I abandoned my p
> lans f or the
> > > > > > > seminary at age 17. Or as Jesse Jackson said once,
> "This is politics
> > > > > > > not theology." Principles are essential and no one is
> speaking of
> > > > > > > abandoning them BUT on the Left there is often a
> smugness about
> > > having
> > > > > > > all the answers. We do not. Too often this smugness is
> a triumph of
> > > > > > > ideology over fact - to paraphrase Ralph Nader in
> another context.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 12/15/07, a.gronowicz@att.net wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Correct. Tony
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -------------- Original message from David Strand
> > > > > > >> :
> > > > > > >> --------------
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Seven Deadly Social Sins
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Gandhi
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> 1] politics without principle
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> 2] wealth without work
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> 3] commerce without morality
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> 4] pleasure without conscience
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> 5] education without character
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> 6] science without humanity
> > > > > > >>>
> > > & gt; > > >>> 7] worship without sacrifice
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> John, I am willing to make alliances to end the war
> > > > > > >>> but as far as your statements about "purity" I think
> > > > > > >>> what you are calling "purity" is wh at many of us we
> > > > > > >>> call "principles" and I don't believe in doing
> > > > > > >>> politics without principles.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Can we still form strategic alliances to achieve
> > > > > > &g t;>> common goals such as ending the war?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Abso lutely.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Do I think liberterians are gulity of several of <
> BR>> ; > > > > >>> Ghandi's so called Deadly Social Sins?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Yes!
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> But I'm still willing to work with them towards common
> > > > > > >>> ends.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> So, what is your proposal and how would it work?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> No one has said we can't do such alliances for
> > > > > > >>> strategic purposes we are simply saying why we don't
> > > > > > >>> support Ron Paul. Now a strategy to end the war
> > > > > > >>> together with Ron Paul supporters, that is obviously
> > > > > > >>> open to discussion, what does it look like?
> > & gt; &g t; > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> After all, even the nonviolent theologian and theorist
> > > > > > >>> Bonhoffer found that sometimes actions he would have
> > > > > > >>> thought unthinkable were right under given
> > > > > > >>> circumstances.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> David Strand
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > >
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">There is a difference between =
the libertarians and<div>the KKK. =A0And as I already stated, we in MI =
have been</div><div>working on election reform in MI with Libertarians =
and</div><div>others. =A0And David pointed out that there has already =
been</div><div>a coalition effort in the Ohio recount.</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Tony, I sent out an =
article, but your email always bounces,</div><div>so I am going to send =
it via another email. =A0But the point</div><div>is to think about =
moving coalitions depending on the issue.</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Just think about it - I =
think we need to be willing to work</div><div>with people who think very =
differently in an effort to both</div><div>*encourage* them to think =
differently (in a respectful manner)</div><div>as we win =
campaigns=A0against shared harms. =A0In other words,</div><div>win =
people over to our values by action instead of words.</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div>Aimee</=
div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 16, 2007, at 9:46 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:a.gronowicz@att.net">a.gronowicz@att.net</a> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
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noneset --> <div></div><p>I just excerpted from your quote.=A0 You said =
and now I paraphrase since you can't seem to recognize your own quote =
that an alliance with the Libertarians is possible needs =
work.</p><div>=A0<br class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div><p>Why =
bother? And why bother to push REPUBLICAN Ron Paul on us?</p><div>=A0<br =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div><p>Tony</p><div>=A0<br =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div><p>=A0On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:05 =
PM, John Walsh wrote:<br>> > > ><br>> > > > > =
I might point out th at the same "pwog" Dems like UFPJ have =
worked<br>> hard<br>><br>> > > > > to keep Greens, =
Libertarians and Ralph Nader out of the peace<br>> > > > =
> movement. We already have the same enemies.<br>> > > > =
><br>> > > > > Now you ask how an alliance with =
Libertarians is possible? To do so<br>> > > > > at the =
national level is something that needs work. It will not<br>> > =
> > > happen if we do not discuss it.<br><br></p> <blockquote =
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px =
solid">-------------- Original message from "John Walsh" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jvwalshmd@gmail.com">jvwalshmd@gmail.com</a>>: =
-------------- <br><br><br>> Could you please show me the quote where =
I say that. If you cannot, I <br>> think you owe me an apology. =
<br>> Have you ever been attacked physically by the KKK? I have. And =
when <br>> I read this ugly comment, it makes me sick. <br>> If =
you cannot apologize, please do not communicate with me any more. =
<br>> john walsh (MA delegate) <br>> <br>> On 12/16/07, <a =
href=3D"mailto:a.gronowicz@att.net">a.gronowicz@att.net</a> =
<a.gronowicz@att.net>wrote: <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > =
<br>> > <br>> > You are. <br>> > <br>> > =
<br>> > <br>> > On December 15 at 2:05 PM you wrote: =
<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > Now you ask how =
an alliance with Libertarians is possible? To do so <br>> > > =
> > at the national level is something th at nee ds work. It will =
not <br>> > > > > happen if we do not discuss it. =
<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > -------------- Original =
message from "John Walsh" <jvwalshmd@gmail.com>: <br>> > =
-------------- <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > > Well of =
course no one would want such an alliance. But who is talking <br>> =
> > about such a thing? <br>> > > john walsh (MA =
delegate) <br>> > > <br>> > > On 12/15/07, <a =
href=3D"mailto:a.gronowicz@att.net">a.gronowicz@att.net</a> wrote: =
<br>> > > > <br>> > > > <br>> > > > =
Couldn't agree more. Tony <br>> > > > <br>> > > =
> -------------- Original message from "henry duke" : <br>> > =
> > -------------- <br>> > <br>> > > > <br>> =
> > > <br>> > > > > The nazi's, KKK, or radical =
libertarians in the minutemen; Me and mine <br>> > > > shall =
<br>> > > > > have no coalition with. <br> > & gt; =
> > > <br>> > > > > Being against the war =
because you want the National Guard back in the <br>> > USA =
<br>> > > > to <br>> > > > > build the wall =
against Mexicans, is a position I will not make <br>> > coalition =
<br>> > > > > with, as these chauvinists are the growing =
righwing violent militias <br>> > which <br>> > > > I =
<br>> > > > > will positively peacefully oppose. <br>> =
> > > > <br>> > > > > I can make coalition =
with uneducated, unprincipled opportunists, or <br>> > even =
<br>> > > > > evil cynical fools like the Democrats, =
Libertarians, Greens, or <br>> > > > Republicans <br>> =
> > > > who think Iraq is wrong because the real war should =
be in Afghanistan. <br>> > > > > <br>> > > > =
> And for the European Colonialist types who justify White or =
European <b r=3D"">> > > > > "democracies" like Israe l =
or South Africa as legitimate, yes, like <br>> > the <br>> > =
> > <br>> > > > > European conquests of the so =
called new world, they may be legitimate, <br>> > but <br>> =
> > > > it is a legitimacy based on terrorism, violence, and =
war, and <br>> > specifically <br>> > > > > White / =
European terrorism, violence, and genocide. <br>> > > > > =
<br>> > > > > Having blabbed that I can work in coalition =
with anti-war types, but <br>> > when <br>> > > > it =
<br>> > > > > comes to openly chauvinist folks, I draw a =
line, refuse, and IMO - and <br>> > > > very <br>> > =
> > > stubborn opinion -- we all should and I think we should =
exclude people <br>> > > > from <br>> > > > > =
any peace action committee who are not committed to anti-racism or =
<br>> > a gainst <br>> > > > > womyn rights. =
<br>> > > > > <br>> > > > > For action, =
<br>> > > > > Henry <br>> > > > > <br>> =
> > > > -----Original Message----- <br>> > > > =
> From: <a =
href=3D"mailto:peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org">peace-discussion-ad=
min@lists.gp-us.org</a> <br>> > > > > [<a =
href=3D"mailto:peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org">mailto:peace-discus=
sion-admin@lists.gp-us.org</a>] On <br>> > Behalf <br>> > =
> > Of Aimee Smith <br>> > > > > Sent: Saturday, =
December 15, 2007 11:15 AM <br>> > > > > To: John Walsh =
<br>> > > > > Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:a.gronowicz@att.net">a.gronowicz@att.net</a>; David =
Strand ; Nick Schmader; GPAX Discussion <br>> > > > List =
<br>> > > > > Subject: Re: So John , what's your =
plan...Re: [Peace-discussion] Must <br>> > read. <br>> > =
> > > <br>> > > > > on fillibuster - <br>> =
> > > > There is someone in town very excited to join this =
campaign <br>> > > & gt; > Will let you know what we =
come up with. In particular, he wants <br>> > > > > to =
expose the democratic officials enabling war. <br>> > > > =
> <br>> > > > > On coaltion with Libertarians: =
<br>> > > > > in MI we have a third parties coalition =
with the libertarians (who <br>> > > > > have ballot =
status), socialists (who don't have ballot status), and <br>> > =
> > > US Taxpayers party (who like us have ballot status.) It =
is mostly <br>> > > > > geared toward electoral reforms, =
but as far as I am aware, the <br>> > > > > alliance is =
cordial and productive. <br>> > > > > <br>> > > =
> > Aimee <br>> > > > > <br>> > > > =
> On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:05 PM, John Walsh wrote: <br>> > > =
> > <br>> > > > > > I might point out th at the =
same "pwog" Dems like UFPJ have worked <br>&g t; > ; hard =
<br>> > <br>> > > > > > to keep Greens, =
Libertarians and Ralph Nader out of the peace <br>> > > > =
> > movement. We already have the same enemies. <br>> > > =
> > > <br>> > > > > > Now you ask how an =
alliance with Libertarians is possible? To do so <br>> > > > =
> > at the national level is something that needs work. It will =
not <br>> > > > > > happen if we do not discuss it. =
<br>> > > > > > BUT I think of two things: <br>> =
> > > > > First, see FilibusterForPeace.org Kevin Zeese =
(another Green), <br>> > > > > > myself and Richard =
Aucoin, the Libertarian Lt. Gubernatorial <br>> > candidate =
<br>> > > > > > here in MA, started it. In fact we =
fondly hope that GPAX will push <br>> > > > > > this - =
it shows that the Dems HAVE the power to end the war in a <br>> > =
> > > > veto-proof way to end the war. They have the power =
but they favor <br>> > the <br>> > > > > > war. =
That is a great help in getting at the "left" wing of the <br>> > =
> > > > duopoly. <br>> > > > > > Let's =
discuss it in our next conference call. <br>> > > > > =
> Second, Kevin Zeese ran a Senatorial campaign in which he got the =
<br>> > > > > > end orsement of Libertarians AND =
Greens in MD. That is a model for <br>> > the <br>> > > =
> > > future. <br>> > > > > > <br>> > =
> > > > Right now Paul is much to be preferred over any of =
the candidates <br>> > > > > > running a real national =
campaign. <br>> > > > > > <br>> > > > > =
> john walsh (MA delegate) <br>> > > > > > <br>> =
> > > > > p.s. I stopped talking of sins when I abandoned =
my p lans f or the <br>> > > > > > seminary at age 17. =
Or as Jesse Jackson said once, "This is politics <br>> > > > =
> > not theology." Principles are essential and no one is speaking =
of <br>> > > > > > abandoning them BUT on the Left =
there is often a smugness about <br>> > having <br>> > > =
> > > all the answers. We do not. Too often this smugness is a =
triumph of <br>> > > > > > ideology over fact - to =
paraphrase Ralph Nader in another context. <br>> > > > > =
> <br>> > > > > > On 12/15/07, <a =
href=3D"mailto:a.gronowicz@att.net">a.gronowicz@att.net</a> wrote: =
<br>> > > > > >> <br>> > > > > =
>> <br>> > > > > >> Correct. Tony <br>> =
> > > > >> <br>> > > > > >> =
-------------- Original message from David Strand <br>> > > =
> > >> : <br>> > > > > >> =
-------------- <br>> > > > > >> <br>> > > =
> > >> <br>> > > > > >> <br>> > =
> > > >>> Seven Deadly Social Sins <br>> > > =
> > >>> <br>> > > > > >>> Gandhi =
<br>> > > > > >>> <br>> > > > > =
>>> 1] politics without principle <br>> > > > > =
>>> <br>> > > > > >>> 2] wealth without =
work <br>> > > > > >>> <br>> > > > =
> >>> 3] commerce without morality <br>> > > > =
> >>> <br>> > > > > >>> 4] pleasure =
without conscience <br>> > > > > >>> <br>> =
> > > > >>> 5] education without character <br>> =
> > > > >>> <br>> > > > > =
>>> 6] science without humanity <br>> > > > > =
>>> <br>> > & gt; > > >>> 7] worship =
without sacrifice <br>> > > > > >>> <br>> =
> > > > >>> John, I am willing to make alliances to =
end the war <br>> > > > > >>> but as far as your =
statements about "purity" I think <br>> > > > > =
>>> what you are calling "purity" is wh at many of us we =
<br>> > > > > >>> call "principles" and I don't =
believe in doing <br>> > > > > >>> politics =
without principles. <br>> > > > > >>> <br>> =
> > > > >>> Can we still form strategic alliances =
to achieve <br>> > > > > &g t;>> common goals =
such as ending the war? <br>> > > > > >>> =
<br>> > > > > >>> Abso lutely. <br>> > =
> > > >>> <br>> > > > > >>> Do =
I think liberterians are gulity of several of < BR>> ; > =
> > > >>> Ghandi's so called Deadly Social Sins? =
<br>> > > > > >>> <br>> > > > > =
>>> Yes! <br>> > > > > >>> <br>> =
> > > > >>> But I'm still willing to work with them =
towards common <br>> > > > > >>> ends. <br>> =
> > > > >>> <br>> > > > > =
>>> So, what is your proposal and how would it work? <br>> =
> > > > >>> <br>> > > > > =
>>> No one has said we can't do such alliances for <br>> =
> > > > >>> strategic purposes we are simply saying =
why we don't <br>> > > > > >>> support Ron Paul. =
Now a strategy to end the war <br>> > > > > >>> =
together with Ron Paul supporters, that is obviously <br>> > > =
> > >>> open to discussion, what does it look like? =
<br>> & gt; &g t; > > >>> <br>> > > =
> > >>> After all, even the nonviolent theologian and =
theorist <br>> > > > > >>> Bonhoffer found that =
sometimes actions he would have <br>> > > > > =
>>> thought unthinkable were right under given <br>> > =
> > > >>> circumstances. <br>> > > > > =
>>> <br>> > > > > >>> David Strand =
<br>> > > > > >>> <br>> > > > > =
>>> <br>> > > > > >>> <br>> > =
> > > >>> <br>> > > > > >>> =
<br>> > > > > >>> <br>> > > > > =
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