[Peace-discussion] Re: Coalition with Libertarians Unless they Are Openly Racist or White Nationalists

[John Walsh]

Could you please show me the quote where I say that.  If you cannot, I
think you owe me an apology.
Have you ever been attacked physically by the KKK?  I have.  And when
I read this ugly comment, it makes me sick.
If  you cannot apologize, please do not communicate with me any more.
john walsh (MA delegate)

On 12/16/07, a.gronowicz@att.net <a.gronowicz@att.net> wrote:
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> You are.
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> On December 15 at 2:05 PM you wrote:
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> Now you ask how an alliance with Libertarians is possible? To do so
> > > > at the national level is something that needs work. It will not
> > > > happen if we do not discuss it.
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> -------------- Original message from "John Walsh" <jvwalshmd@gmail.com>:
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> > Well of course no one would want such an alliance. But who is talking
> > about such a thing?
> > john walsh (MA delegate)
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> > On 12/15/07, a.gronowicz@att.net wrote:
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> > > Couldn't agree more. Tony
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message from "henry duke" :
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> > >
> > > > The nazi's, KKK, or radical libertarians in the minutemen; Me and mine
> > > shall
> > > > have no coalition with.
> > > >
> > > > Being against the war because you want the National Guard back in the
> USA
> > > to
> > > > build the wall against Mexicans, is a position I will not make
> coalition
> > > > with, as these chauvinists are the growing righwing violent militias
> which
> > > I
> > > > will positively peacefully oppose.
> > > >
> > > > I can make coalition with uneducated, unprincipled opportunists, or
> even
> > > > evil cynical fools like the Democrats, Libertarians, Greens, or
> > > Republicans
> > > > who think Iraq is wrong because the real war should be in Afghanistan.
> > > >
> > > > And for the European Colonialist types who justify White or European
> > > > "democracies" like Israe l or South Africa as legitimate, yes, like
> the
> > >
> > > > European conquests of the so called new world, they may be legitimate,
> but
> > > > it is a legitimacy based on terrorism, violence, and war, and
> specifically
> > > > White / European terrorism, violence, and genocide.
> > > >
> > > > Having blabbed that I can work in coalition with anti-war types, but
> when
> > > it
> > > > comes to openly chauvinist folks, I draw a line, refuse, and IMO - and
> > > very
> > > > stubborn opinion -- we all should and I think we should exclude people
> > > from
> > > > any peace action committee who are not committed to anti-racism or
> against
> > > > womyn rights.
> > > >
> > > > For action,
> > > > Henry
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org
> > > > [mailto:peace-discussion-admin@lists.gp-us.org] On
> Behalf
> > > Of Aimee Smith
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:15 AM
> > > > To: John Walsh
> > > > Cc: a.gronowicz@att.net; David Strand ; Nick Schmader; GPAX Discussion
> > > List
> > > > Subject: Re: So John , what's your plan...Re: [Peace-discussion] Must
> read.
> > > >
> > > > on fillibuster -
> > > > There is someone in town very excited to join this campaign
> > > > Will let you know what we come up with. In particular, he wants
> > > > to expose the democratic officials enabling war.
> > > >
> > > > On coaltion with Libertarians:
> > > > in MI we have a third parties coalition with the libertarians (who
> > > > have ballot status), socialists (who don't have ballot status), and
> > > > US Taxpayers party (who like us have ballot status.) It is mostly
> > > > geared toward electoral reforms, but as far as I am aware, the
> > > > alliance is cordial and productive.
> > > >
> > > > Aimee
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 2:05 PM, John Walsh wrote:
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> > > > > I might point out th at the same "pwog" Dems like UFPJ have worked
> hard
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> > > > > to keep Greens, Libertarians and Ralph Nader out of the peace
> > > > > movement. We already have the same enemies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now you ask how an alliance with Libertarians is possible? To do so
> > > > > at the national level is something that needs work. It will not
> > > > > happen if we do not discuss it.
> > > > > BUT I think of two things:
> > > > > First, see FilibusterForPeace.org Kevin Zeese (another Green),
> > > > > myself and Richard Aucoin, the Libertarian Lt. Gubernatorial
> candidate
> > > > > here in MA, started it. In fact we fondly hope that GPAX will push
> > > > > this - it shows that the Dems HAVE the power to end the war in a
> > > > > veto-proof way to end the war. They have the power but they favor
> the
> > > > > war. That is a great help in getting at the "left" wing of the
> > > > > duopoly.
> > > > > Let's discuss it in our next conference call.
> > > > > Second, Kevin Zeese ran a Senatorial campaign in which he got the
> > > > > end orsement of Libertarians AND Greens in MD. That is a model for
> the
> > > > > future.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right now Paul is much to be preferred over any of the candidates
> > > > > running a real national campaign.
> > > > >
> > > > > john walsh (MA delegate)
> > > > >
> > > > > p.s. I stopped talking of sins when I abandoned my plans for the
> > > > > seminary at age 17. Or as Jesse Jackson said once, "This is politics
> > > > > not theology." Principles are essential and no one is speaking of
> > > > > abandoning them BUT on the Left there is often a smugness about
> having
> > > > > all the answers. We do not. Too often this smugness is a triumph of
> > > > > ideology over fact - to paraphrase Ralph Nader in another context.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/15/07, a.gronowicz@att.net wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Correct. Tony
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -------------- Original message from David Strand
> > > > >> :
> > > > >> --------------
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Seven Deadly Social Sins
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Gandhi
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 1] politics without principle
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 2] wealth without work
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 3] commerce without morality
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 4] pleasure without conscience
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 5] education without character
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 6] science without humanity
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> 7] worship without sacrifice
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> John, I am willing to make alliances to end the war
> > > > >>> but as far as your statements about "purity" I think
> > > > >>> what you are calling "purity" is wh at many of us we
> > > > >>> call "principles" and I don't believe in doing
> > > > >>> politics without principles.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Can we still form strategic alliances to achieve
> > > > &g t;>> common goals such as ending the war?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Abso lutely.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Do I think liberterians are gulity of several of
> > > > >>> Ghandi's so called Deadly Social Sins?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Yes!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> But I'm still willing to work with them towards common
> > > > >>> ends.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So, what is your proposal and how would it work?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> No one has said we can't do such alliances for
> > > > >>> strategic purposes we are simply saying why we don't
> > > > >>> support Ron Paul. Now a strategy to end the war
> > > > >>> together with Ron Paul supporters, that is obviously
> > > > >>> open to discussion, what does it look like?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> After all, even the nonviolent theologian and theorist
> > > > >>> Bonhoffer found that sometimes actions he would have
> > > > >>> thought unthinkable were right under given
> > > > >>> circumstances.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> David Strand
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
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> > > > >>
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