[Peace-discussion] David Duke and Stormfront endorse Ron Paul
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But he did oppose the 1964 civil rights act on the grounds that it violated private property rights. In the Green Party, human rights trump property rights.
Tony
-------------- Original message from "John Walsh" <jvwalshmd@gmail.com>: --------------
Just to follow up, the NYT had to retract their story on Ron Paul's alleged "Nazi" connections. See Below. Since the same allegations crept in here, I wanted to set the record straight.
Best,
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http://themedium.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/editors-note-the-ron-paul-vid-lash/t .
December 26, 2007, 8:24 pm
Editors' Note: The Ron Paul Vid-Lash
By THE NEW YORK TIMES
A post in The Medium that appeared on Monday about the Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul and his purported adoption by white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups contained several errors. Stormfront, which describes itself as a "white nationalist" Internet community, did not give money to Ron Paul's presidential campaign; according to Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Paul's campaign, it was Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, who donated $500 to Paul. The original post also repeated a string of assertions by Bill White, the commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, including the allegation that Paul meets regularly "with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review and others" at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. Paul never attended these dinners, according to Benton, who also says that Paul has never knowingly met Bill White. Norman Singleton, a congressional aide in Paul's office, says that he met Bill White at a dinner
gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner. The original post should not have been published with these unverified assertions and without any response from Paul.
On Dec 24, 2007 4:32 PM, <a.gronowicz@att.net> wrote:
John,
Don't get me wrong. I think he's the best Republican candidate.
Tony
-------------- Original message from "John Walsh" < jvwalshmd@gmail.com>: --------------
Hi Tony,
Here is a well documented piece on attempts to smear Ron Paul. The interesting thing is that the same kinds of attacks are coming at him from Left and Right. It is quite amazing - and I think you will see some familiar pictures on one of the links.
Please look - the link is below.
john walsh (MA delegate)
p.s. Again I call for an alliance with Paul and his supporters on the questions of war, empire, corporate welfare, the MIICC and liberty. On the rest we can differ when the time comes. This would be a new constellation in American Politics - a badly needed one.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12102
December 24, 2007
Ron Paul vs. the Dirty Tricksters
Paul-haters on the Right and the Left unite in a common cause
On Dec 23, 2007 12:12 PM, <a.gronowicz@att.net> wrote:
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours.
Tony
-------------- Original message from "John Walsh" < jvwalshmd@gmail.com >: --------------
I never said that he agrees with us on everything. As far as social safety nets, that would obviously not be the point of any alliance with him.
Political alliances are not made with those who agree with us on everything - otherwise we are identical not allies.
And by the way although he disagrees with Medicare for example, he is not for abolishing it because too many people depend on it. BUT he is for immediate abolition of the CIA and our foreign military bases. Not perfect - but not bad.
In any event Merry Xmas and Happy New Year.
john walsh (MA delegate)
On Dec 22, 2007 11:01 PM, <a.gronowicz@att.net> wrote:
Look John, his support for the death penalty and attack on many social safety net programs make him a non-starter for Greens.
Tony
-------------- Original message from "John Walsh" < jvwalshmd@gmail.com>: --------------
David Duke has praised Noam Chomsky. Is it not possible to "do the right thing for the wrong reason"? I think Duke has praise Cockburn and others - anyone who might disagree with Israel, as I suspect you do Tony.
Given that he might even have kind words for you, Tony, but unlike Chomsky and Paul you might have to solicit them. ;-)
The sutblety of your thought continues to amaze me.
john walsh (MA delegate)
p.s. Why do you not comment on that YouTube video where Paul bowls over the Fox News Gang. Those Fox fascists do not seem to like Paul. Hmmmm.
On Dec 22, 2007 1:19 PM, < a.gronowicz@att.net> wrote:
Please explain their endorsement of Paul. Tony
-------------- Original message from "John Walsh" < jvwalshmd@gmail.com >: --------------
Pretty definitive if you ask me. I conclude Paul is a Nazi - by the most direct and powerful proof possible, guilt by association. Zowie.
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p.s. I have have been photographed with lots of people after giving talks and I had no idea who most of them were. Paul may have a hidden agenda - but I can only take him on his votes and record. On war, empire and out liberties, there is not a Dem who comes close.
The other day after being shown the now notorious Huckabee commercial with a cross in the background, Paul said he was reminded of Sinclair Lewis's observations (he reads!) that fascism would come to the US wrapped in a flag carrying a cross. The Fox people almost fell out of their chairs. Of course that is what everyone should say about Huckabee - but as usual only Dr. No speaks the truth.
For the video, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrkltetQ0x4
It was the website of the day on that notorious right wing electronic rag, CounterPunch.com on December 18. I wish Tony would inform Alex Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair that they are running Nazi propaganda. ;-)
john walsh (MA delegate)
On Dec 22, 2007 9:49 AM, <a.gronowicz@att.net> wrote:
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David Duke & Stormfront Endorse Ron Paul
Ron Paul's Photo-Op with Stormfront
Dec 20, 2007
This photograph, showing Ron Paul at the Values Voters
Presidential Debate in Fort Lauderdale on
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Immediately to Paul's left: Don Black, the owner of neo-Nazi
site Stormfront. The guy in the hat is Derek Black, Don's
son.
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<P>But he did oppose the 1964 civil rights act on the grounds that it violated private property rights. In the Green Party, human rights trump property rights.</P>
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repeated a string of assertions by Bill White, the commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, including the allegation that Paul meets regularly "with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review and others" at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. Paul never attended these dinners, according to Benton, who also says that Paul has never knowingly met Bill White. Norman Singleton, a congressional aide in Paul's office, says that he met Bill White at a dinner gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner. The original post should not have been published with these unverified assertions and without any response from Paul. </P></DIV></SPAN><BR>
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<P>Don't get me wrong. I think he's the best Republican candidate.</P>
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c>-------------- Original message from "John Walsh" <<A href="mailto:jvwalshmd@gmail.com" target=_blank> jvwalshmd@gmail.com</A>>: -------------- <BR><BR>Hi Tony, </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c>Here is a well documented piece on attempts to smear Ron Paul. The interesting thing is that the same kinds of attacks are coming at him from Left and Right. It is quite amazing - and I think you will see some familiar pictures on one of the links.
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<DIV>p.s. Again I call for an alliance with Paul and his supporters on the questions of war, empire, corporate welfare, the MIICC and liberty. On the rest we can differ when the time comes. This would be a new constellation in American Politics - a badly needed one. </DIV>
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c>-------------- Original message from "John Walsh" <<A href="mailto:jvwalshmd@gmail.com" target=_blank> jvwalshmd@gmail.com</A> >: -------------- <BR><BR>I never said that he agrees with us on everything. As far as social safety nets, that would obviously not be the point of any alliance with him.
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<DIV>And by the way although he disagrees with Medicare for example, he is not for abolishing it because too many people depend on it. BUT he is for immediate abolition of the CIA and our foreign military bases. Not perfect - but not bad. </DIV>
<DIV>In any event Merry Xmas and Happy New Year.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c>On Dec 22, 2007 11:01 PM, <<A href="mailto:a.gronowicz@att.net" target=_blank>a.gronowicz@att.net</A>> wrote: <BR></DIV></DIV>
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<P>Look John, his support for the death penalty and attack on many social safety net programs make him a non-starter for Greens.</P>
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<DIV>-------------- Original message from "John Walsh" <<A href="mailto:jvwalshmd@gmail.com" target=_blank> jvwalshmd@gmail.com</A>>: -------------- <BR><BR>David Duke has praised Noam Chomsky. Is it not possible to "do the right thing for the wrong reason"? I think Duke has praise Cockburn and others - anyone who might disagree with Israel, as I suspect you do Tony.
<DIV>Given that he might even have kind words for you, Tony, but unlike Chomsky and Paul you might have to solicit them. ;-)</DIV>
<DIV>The sutblety of your thought continues to amaze me.</DIV>
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<DIV>p.s. Why do you not comment on that YouTube video where Paul bowls over the Fox News Gang. Those Fox fascists do not seem to like Paul. Hmmmm.<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>Please explain their endorsement of Paul. Tony<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c>-------------- Original message from "John Walsh" <<A href="mailto:jvwalshmd@gmail.com" target=_blank> jvwalshmd@gmail.com</A> >: -------------- <BR><BR>Pretty definitive if you ask me. I conclude Paul is a Nazi - by the most direct and powerful proof possible, guilt by association. Zowie.
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<DIV>p.s. I have have been photographed with lots of people after giving talks and I had no idea who most of them were. Paul may have a hidden agenda - but I can only take him on his votes and record. On war, empire and out liberties, there is not a Dem who comes close. </DIV>
<DIV>The other day after being shown the now notorious Huckabee commercial with a cross in the background, Paul said he was reminded of Sinclair Lewis's observations (he reads!) that fascism would come to the US wrapped in a flag carrying a cross. The Fox people almost fell out of their chairs. Of course that is what everyone should say about Huckabee - but as usual only Dr. No speaks the truth. </DIV>
<DIV>For the video, see: <A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrkltetQ0x4" target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrkltetQ0x4</A></DIV>
<DIV>It was the website of the day on that notorious right wing electronic rag, CounterPunch.com on December 18. I wish Tony would inform Alex Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair that they are running Nazi propaganda. ;-)</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Dec 22, 2007 9:49 AM, <<A href="mailto:a.gronowicz@att.net" target=_blank>a.gronowicz@att.net</A>> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV></DIV>Subject: [change-links] David Duke & Stormfront Endorse Ron Paul<BR><BR>David Duke & Stormfront Endorse Ron Paul<BR><BR>Ron Paul's Photo-Op with Stormfront<BR><BR>Dec 20, 2007 <BR><BR>This photograph, showing Ron Paul at the Values Voters <BR>Presidential Debate in Fort Lauderdale on<BR>September 17, 2007.<BR><BR>Immediately to Paul's left: Don Black, the owner of neo-Nazi<BR>site Stormfront. The guy in the hat is Derek Black, Don's<BR>son.<BR><BR><A href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only" target=_blank>http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only</A><BR><<A href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only" target=_blank> http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&amp;only</A>><BR><BR><A href="http://www.stormfront.org/" target=_blank>http://www.stormfront.org</A><BR><BR><A href="http://www.davidduke.com/" target=_blank>http://www.davidd uke.com</A> <BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><
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