[Peace-discussion] RE: [GPUS-PAX] Democrats lack the guts- Expose of the Dems by one of our own
Joni LeViness
myths16@cox.net
Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:31:35 -0500
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Tony,
Why would you use a Peace Action List to smear one of our best Greens?
If i haven't given you a welcome i do so now:
WELCOME to GPAX Tony,
You are now a member of one of the most active Green Party Committees that
help to keep the Greens not only on top of all of the important issues, but
in the media eye with our actions.
We have two lists we do our work on. The
<blocked::blocked::mailto:peace@lists.gp-org> peace@lists.gp-org is the one
we do our every day correspondence on.
For general discussion/brainstorming/ report backs we have our Wonderful
Discussion list peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org
<blocked::blocked::mailto:peace-discussion@lists.gp-us.org> This allows
those Really short on time to designate their e mails by lists rather than
people.
What we try to do as an action committee is to keep fwds to the absolute
minimum, tho we recognize that there are times when you're just Itching to
bring something through to this group...so it's not a ban per se. Usually
what we ask ourselves is: "Is this something I'd like GPAX as a group to
take action on or to endorse, or even to counsel some of our candidates on?"
If the answer is yes go ahead and propose it to the action list.
<blocked::blocked::mailto:list.peace@lists.gp-us.org> peace@lists.gp-us.org
The better envisioning of what we as a committee can do, the clearer the
proposal, the better the chance we'll do it!
Please introduce yourself, to:peace@lists.gp-us.org
<blocked::blocked::mailto:peace@lists.gp-us.org> and spread your wings with
some of the most Vibrant peace activists within the Green Party and
beyond...
Peace and Civility,
GPAX current secretary
Joni LeViness
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From: peace-admin@lists.gp-us.org [mailto:peace-admin@lists.gp-us.org] On
Behalf Of a.gronowicz@att.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:54 PM
To: peace@lists.gp-us.org
Subject: Re: [GPUS-PAX] Democrats lack the guts- Expose of the Dems by one
of our own
An excerpt from my U.S. history with citations (that reached thousands of
readers as well)with respect to LaMarche's role in 2004:
She openly supported Kerry, while unequivocally denying that she had done
so. <http://webmail.att.net/wm/toolbar/notheme.html#_ftn1> [1] Nine days
before the presidential election, in a D artmouth College address, LaMarche
stated. "I do not say vote for Kerry, I do not say the K word. So he's not
the perfect solution, he's the only one we have."
<http://webmail.att.net/wm/toolbar/notheme.html#_ftn2> [2] In an April 24,
2005, e-mail to the author, she denied ever having supported Kerry, stating
unequivocally, "I have never made a pro-Kerry comment."
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<http://webmail.att.net/wm/toolbar/notheme.html#_ftnref1> [1] Portland
Press Herald, June 30, 2004; Kennebec Journal/Central Morning Sentinel, June
30, 2004; New Haven Advocate, August 5, 2004; Associated Press, Lincoln,
Nebraska, August 3, 4, 2004; Brunswick (ME) Times Record, September 20,
2004; Associated Press, Clark Canfield, October 7, 2004; "Greetings from
Green Vice Presidential Candidate Pat LaMarche to the Greens, October 30,
2004; Michael Reagan@Times Record.com. Novemb er 12, 2004
<http://webmail.att.net/wm/toolbar/notheme.html#_ftnref2> [2] The
Dartmouth, October 25, 2004.
http://www.thedartmouth.com/article.php?aid=2004102501020
-------------- Original message from "John Atkeison" <john@atkeison.org>:
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I write with sorrow, not anger.
(The link got trimmed since the first email somehow- here it is:
<http://www.bangordailynews.com/news/t/viewpoints.aspx?articleid=151193&zone
id=35>)
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Is that like our Green Party? -- Not a single clearly non-negative remark
about a column that probably reaches thousands of non-Greens on a weekly
basis, written by a Green leader who some presumably uninformed Greens
accuse of being pro-Democrat.
What might have been non-negative comments? Things like
- discussing which of these logical gambits have worked for us in talking
with people or get us published in our local papers,
- what any of us might have emphasized within the confines of the brutal
700-word op-ed limit (which seems to be pretty universal, btw). Give real
examples, which would be a real positive contribution to more of us
communicating effectively with more non-Greens.
- what is a good way to remind rank-and-file Dems of their responsibility to
clean up "their party" or to do something else to repair the damage they are
doing?
- "hey, if LaMarche was responsible for a pro-Democrat campaign as our veep
candidate in '04, how come she's rippin'em a new one so vigorously?"
IMHO, any initiative can be improved, but this atmosphere wh ere no effort
is good enough can make a person wonder why someone would bother to be
associated with this crowd.
Remember the word solidarity? Or the phrase An Injury To One Is An Injury To
All?
There are a lot of people who give much of their life to the things we
believe in, but have you noticed how few stick with the Green Party? I would
suggest that the reasons most often have to do with the Party whose
activists behave in destructive ways, not with the constructive people who
leave.
Thanks for listening
and thinking
John
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John Atkeison
TMobile (302) 345-0607
Cingular Only (302) 753-0720
john@atkeison.org http://Atkeison.org/
302 River Road, Building B #10, Wilmington, DE 19809
On Wed, June 20, 2007 1:37 pm, a.gronowicz@att.net wrote:
> It does, unfortunately, allow for the mention of John Wayne who se
> pro-Vietnam War stance put him to the right of John McCain.
>
> Tony
>
> -------------- Original message from "Nancy Allen" :
> --------------
>
>
>> Hey Zool!
>> The Bangor Daily News probably has a policy that does not allow Pat to
>> mention
>> the Green Party in her columns. When I mention it in letters to the
>> editor it is
>> censored out or they ignore the letter completely.
>> nancy
>>
>>
>> > Pat, John et al--
>> >
>> > Interesting to read back-to-back quotes from Confucius and John Wayne
>> on
>> > courage.
>> >
>> > Speaking of courage: many folks are saying that the Democrats have no
>> guts
>> > (including many Democrats).
>> >
>> > But no mention here about who has "the guts" and how to re place the
>> guys who
>> > don't.
>> >
> > --zool
> >
> >
> > >From: "John Atkeison"
> > >Reply-To: peace@lists.gp-us.org
> > >To: "GPAX"
> > >Subject: [GPUS-PAX] Democrats lack the guts- Expose of the Dems by
> one of
> > >our own
> > >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:48:58 -0400 (EDT)
> > >
> > >Comments on the web site, especially by folks from New England, would
> > >probably be a really good thing. Hopefully CommonDreams.org will pick
> this
> > >one up like they did last week.
> > >
> >
> >> 35>
> > >Pat
> > >LaMarche:
> > >Democrats lacking the guts to lead the
> > >nation
> > >Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - Bangor Daily
> > >News
> > >
> > >U.S.-led airstrike kills s even Afghan children,"
> > >"Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states," "36
> > >killed in southern Iraq." This week's headlines - who can stand them
> > >anymore?
> > >
> > >Every morning, before my feet even hit the floor, I
> > >try to think of something for which I am grateful. It's pretty easy
> for
> > >me. I just think of my kids. Lately I don't even get there anymore.
> > >Lately, I'm opening my eyes thinking how dang grateful I am that I'm
> not a
> > >member of the Democratic Party.
> > >
> > >"Clinton's in double
> > >digits over Obama." Does that party have any guts left at all? All
> > >that headline tells us is that the woman who voted to give her
> authority
> > >as a member of Congress to the worst president in the history of the
> > >United States is beating th e guy who wants to give insurance
> companies
> > >even more control over our health care system. Appalling!
> > >
> > >What
> > >in heaven's name does it take to be a Democratic front runner? It
> appears
> > >to require that someone is too afraid to use the power the American
> people
> > >gave them. Monday a Reuter's news story titled "Newly empowered
> > >Democrats draw wrath of voters," explains how, in 2006, the
> > >electorate instructed the Democratic Party to end the war and how
> this
> > >party failed miserably at every turn. The story then goes on to
> relate the
> > >whining and whimpering performed by party leadership as they describe
> > >their frustration because they can't get the job done.
> > >
> > >Senate
> > >Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada explained, "We rais ed the bar
> > >too high." Too high? Does that mean that they promised to do the will
> > >of the American people but forgot that they lacked the necessary guts
> and
> > >gristle? Does that mean that they deluded themselves into thinking
> that
> > >they could lead? Does that mean that the ever-increasing gap between
> the
> > >haves and have-nots, the skyrocketing gas prices, escalation of
> violent
> > >crime on our streets, the daily increasing death toll in Iraq and the
> > >corruption in the Justice Department just aren't enough to get them
> off
> > >their duffs and moving the country in the right direction?
> > >
> > >Does
> > >that mean that as leaders they haven't 1/100 the courage of the
> military
> > >men and women whom they send to their deaths in Iraq? Is it OK with
> the
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D640082822-20062007><FONT =
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</B>a.gronowicz@att.net<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 20, 2007 2:54=20
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<P>An excerpt from my U.S. history with citations (that reached =
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readers as well)with respect to LaMarche's role in 2004:</P>
<P> </P>
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openly supported Kerry, while unequivocally denying that she had done =
so.<A=20
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style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Nine days before the =
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address, LaMarche stated.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>“I do not=20
say vote for Kerry, I do not say the K word. So he’s not the =
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he’s the only one we have.”</SPAN><A title=3D"" =
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In an April 24, 2005, e-mail to the author, she denied ever having =
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size=3D2> <U>Portland Press Herald</U>, June 30, 2004; <U>Kennebec =
Journal/Central=20
Morning Sentinel</U>, June 30, 2004; <U>New</U> <U>Haven Advocate</U>, =
August 5,=20
2004; <U>Associated Press</U>, Lincoln, Nebraska, August 3, 4, 2004;=20
<U>Brunswick</U> <U>(ME) Times Record</U>, September 20, 2004; =
<U>Associated=20
Press</U>, Clark Canfield, October 7, 2004; “Greetings from Green =
Vice=20
Presidential Candidate Pat LaMarche to the Greens, October 30, 2004; =
Michael=20
Reagan@Times Record.com. Novemb er 12, 2004<SPAN=20
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Original message from "John Atkeison" <john@atkeison.org>:=20
-------------- <BR><BR><FONT style=3D"COLOR: rgb(0,204,0)" =
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got trimmed=20
since the first email somehow- here it is:</SPAN><BR=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><http://www.bangordailynews.com/ne=
ws/t/viewpoints.aspx?articleid=3D151193&zoneid=3D35>)</SPAN></FONT=
><FONT=20
size=3D4><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold"></SPAN></FONT><BR>*^*^*^*^**^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^<BR>Is=20
that like our Green Party? -- Not a single clearly non-negative remark =
about a=20
column that probably reaches thousands of non-Greens on a weekly =
basis,=20
written by a Green leader who some<SPAN style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic">=20
</SPAN>presumably uninformed Greens accuse of being pro-Democrat. =
<BR><BR>What=20
might have been non-negative comments? Things like <BR>- discussing =
which of=20
these logical gambits <SPAN style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic">have worked =
for=20
us</SPAN> in talking with people or get us published in our local =
papers,<BR>-=20
what any of <SPAN style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic">us might have</SPAN> =
emphasized=20
within the confines of the brutal 700-word op-ed limit (which seems to =
be=20
pretty universal, btw). Give real examples, which would be a real =
positive=20
contribution to more of us communicating effectively with more=20
non-Greens.<BR>- what is a good way to remind rank-and-file Dems of =
their=20
responsibility to clean up "their party" or to do something else to =
repair the=20
damage they are doing?<BR>- "hey, if LaMarche was responsible for a=20
pro-Democrat campaign as our veep candidate in '04, how come she's =
rippin'em a=20
new one so vigorously?"<BR><BR>IMHO, any initiative can be improved, =
but this=20
atmosphere wh ere<SPAN style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic"> no </SPAN>effort =
is good=20
enough can make a person wonder why someone would bother to be =
associated with=20
this crowd.<BR><BR>Remember the word <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic">solidarity?</SPAN> Or the phrase <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic">An Injury To One Is An Injury To =
All?</SPAN>=20
<BR><BR>There are a lot of people who give much of their life to the =
things we=20
believe in, but have you noticed how few stick with the Green Party? I =
would=20
suggest that the reasons most often have to do with the Party whose =
activists=20
behave in destructive ways, not with the constructive people who=20
leave.<BR><BR>Thanks for listening<BR>and =
thinking<BR>John<BR>-*-<BR>John=20
Atkeison<BR>TMobile (302) 345-0607<BR>Cingular Only (302)=20
753-0720<BR>john@atkeison.org http://Atkeison.org/<BR>302 River Road, =
Building=20
B #10, Wilmington, DE 19809<BR><BR>On Wed, June 20, 2007 1:37 pm,=20
a.gronowicz@att.net wrote:<BR>> It does, unfortunately, allow for =
the=20
mention of John Wayne who se<BR>> pro-Vietnam War stance put him to =
the=20
right of John McCain.<BR>> <BR>> Tony<BR>> <BR>> =
--------------=20
Original message from "Nancy Allen" <NALLEN@PREXAR.COM>:<BR>>=20
--------------<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Hey Zool!<BR>>> The =
Bangor=20
Daily News probably has a policy that does not allow Pat =
to<BR>>>=20
mention<BR>>> the Green Party in her columns. When I mention it =
in=20
letters to the<BR>>> editor it is<BR>>> censored out or =
they=20
ignore the letter completely.<BR>>>=20
nancy<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> > Pat, John et =
al--<BR>>>=20
><BR>>> > Interesting to read back-to-back quotes from =
Confucius=20
and John Wayne<BR>>> on<BR>>> > courage.<BR>>>=20
><BR>>> > Speaking of courage: many folks are saying that =
the=20
Democrats have no<BR>>> guts<BR>>> > (including many=20
Democrats).<BR>>> ><BR>>> > But no mention here =
about who=20
has "the guts" and how to re place the<BR>>> guys =
who<BR>>> >=20
don't.<BR>>> ><BR>> > --zool<BR>> ><BR>> =
><BR>>=20
> >From: "John Atkeison"<BR>> > >Reply-To:=20
peace@lists.gp-us.org<BR>> > >To: "GPAX"<BR>> > =
>Subject:=20
[GPUS-PAX] Democrats lack the guts- Expose of the Dems by<BR>> one=20
of<BR>> > >our own<BR>> > >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 =
11:48:58=20
-0400 (EDT)<BR>> > ><BR>> > >Comments on the web =
site,=20
especially by folks from New England, would<BR>> > >probably =
be a=20
really good thing. Hopefully CommonDreams.org will pick<BR>> =
this<BR>>=20
> >one up like they did last week.<BR>> > ><BR>>=20
><BR>> >> 35><BR>> > >Pat<BR>> >=20
>LaMarche:<BR>> > >Democrats lacking the guts to lead =
the<BR>>=20
> >nation<BR>> > >Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - Bangor=20
Daily<BR>> > >News<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
>U.S.-led=20
airstrike kills s even Afghan children,"<BR>> > >"Iraq now =
ranked=20
second among world's failed states," "36<BR>> > >killed in =
southern=20
Iraq." This week's headlines - who can stand them<BR>> >=20
>anymore?<BR>> > ><BR>> > >Every morning, before =
my feet=20
even hit the floor, I<BR>> > >try to think of something for =
which I=20
am grateful. It's pretty easy<BR>> for<BR>> > >me. I just =
think of=20
my kids. Lately I don't even get there anymore.<BR>> > =
>Lately, I'm=20
opening my eyes thinking how dang grateful I am that I'm<BR>> not =
a<BR>>=20
> >member of the Democratic Party.<BR>> > ><BR>> =
>=20
>"Clinton's in double<BR>> > >digits over Obama." Does =
that party=20
have any guts left at all? All<BR>> > >that headline tells us =
is that=20
the woman who voted to give her<BR>> authority<BR>> > >as =
a member=20
of Congress to the worst president in the history of the<BR>> >=20
>United States is beating th e guy who wants to give =
insurance<BR>>=20
companies<BR>> > >even more control over our health care =
system.=20
Appalling!<BR>> > ><BR>> > >What<BR>> > >in =
heaven's name does it take to be a Democratic front runner? It<BR>> =
appears<BR>> > >to require that someone is too afraid to use =
the=20
power the American<BR>> people<BR>> > >gave them. Monday a =
Reuter's news story titled "Newly empowered<BR>> > >Democrats =
draw=20
wrath of voters," explains how, in 2006, the<BR>> > =
>electorate=20
instructed the Democratic Party to end the war and how<BR>> =
this<BR>>=20
> >party failed miserably at every turn. The story then goes on=20
to<BR>> relate the<BR>> > >whining and whimpering =
performed by=20
party leadership as they describe<BR>> > >their frustration =
because=20
they can't get the job done.<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
>Senate<BR>>=20
> >Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada explained, "We rais ed =
the=20
bar<BR>> > >too high." Too high? Does that mean that they =
promised to=20
do the will<BR>> > >of the American people but forgot that =
they=20
lacked the necessary guts<BR>> and<BR>> > >gristle? Does =
that mean=20
that they deluded themselves into thinking<BR>> that<BR>> > =
>they=20
could lead? Does that mean that the ever-increasing gap =
between<BR>>=20
the<BR>> > >haves and have-nots, the skyrocketing gas prices, =
escalation of<BR>> violent<BR>> > >crime on our streets, =
the daily=20
increasing death toll in Iraq and the<BR>> > >corruption in =
the=20
Justice Department just aren't enough to get them<BR>> off<BR>> =
>=20
>their duffs and moving the country in the right direction?<BR>> =
>=20
><BR>> > >Does<BR>> > >that mean that as leaders =
they=20
haven't 1/100 the courage of the<BR>> military<BR>> > >men =
and=20
women whom they send to their deaths in Iraq? Is it OK with<BR>>=20
the<BR></NALLEN@ =
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