[Peace-discussion] Re: [GPUS-PAX] Re: [G-C-F] VIDEO: Global Green 2008 - Ross Mirkarimi - Withdrawals Support 4 McKinney To Obama

[Drew Johnson]

Absolutely its a strong accusation v Henry, and sure one could term it
violent.  As you like to point out Aimee, we Greens *do* reserve the right
to act violently in self-defense and that is how I see this situation.

Henry is facing a censure resolution in the GPCA delegation.  You like to
talk about accountability Aimee, and now you're going to get to see an
attempt to hold Henry to accountability.

You are misinterpreting my point of view to say I am putting Henry in the
'evil box'.  No, not at all.  That does not accurately represent my point
of view towards him in any way.  Personally I have enjoyed talking with
Henry and I share many of his interests, issues and concerns.  I am simply
objecting to his over-the-top posting behavior that is destructive of the
GPCA and the GP-US.  IMO it is perfectly acceptable for an organization,
including a Green organization to have behavioral standards that it
enforces.

As for the staff, I do agree with you that there seems to be a lack of
guidance and direction from the NC and SC towards staff and there is a
lack of accountability structure.  When I say that I am not making *any*
statement one way or the other about any specific situation, I'm merely
observing a lack of structure.  I also observe that along with that lack
of structure there is also no contracts for the staff (if I'm
understanding that correctly) and I think that is reprehensible.  So I do
think we NCers need to get on the ball and create some sound structure for
the staff.

The Brown/McMillan affair is a whole thing unto itself that I will refrain
from making assessments on at this time.


Green is Reality-based!

Drew Johnson
GPCA delegate



On Thu, May 15, 2008 22:46, Aimee Smith wrote:
> Saboteur?
>
> That sounds like a strong accusation.  Maybe some
> would even call it violent.
>
> Are you sure this might not be as complicated as the
> Brown affair?
>
> It seems to me you have put Duke in the evil box, and
> thus no holds barred on him.  Yet you expect people who
> mistrust people like Brent to hold to a higher standard of
> discourse.
>
> And I would like to add that much of my distrust for Brent is
> really structural and not personal.  I think there is no meaningful
> accountability for staff in orgs structured as ours is.  That isn't
> his fault, other than what he does to further the pattern, but he
> should be held accountable for speaking in such a way on
> behalf of our party and apologies should have been made
> asap.
>
> In any case, do you see the double standard here?
>
> Sincerely,
> Aimee
>
>
> On May 12, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>
>> For the Green Party their's no benefit to supporting people who are
>> not
>> our candidates, whether they be Obama OR Nader.  They are NOT GP-US
>> candidates!!!  Go work on Nader's campaign constructively Henry,
>> and leave
>> the Greens to do our tough work pulling ourselves together.  We have a
>> hard enough time without saboteurs like yourself.
>>
>>
>> Green is GREEN!
>>
>> Drew Johnson
>> GPCA delegate
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 11, 2008 08:52, Henry D. wrote:
>>> What are the benefits to the Green Party to supporting long term
>>> democrats
>>> McKinney or Obama as Ross has done?
>>>
>>> What are the benefits to the green party to supporting non-long term
>>> democrats like Nader and former Green Party leader Matt Gonzalez?
>>>
>>> Mike Feinstein <mfeinstein@feinstein.org> wrote:           VIDEO:
>>> Global
>>> Greens 2008 - Ross Mirkarimi (USA) (English)
>>>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyT1q2ebHlo
>>>  12:25
>>>
>>>  Ross Mirkarimi, San Francisco Board of Supervisors, speaks about
>>> actions
>>>  he's taken on the municipal level to deal with climate change.
>>>  Global Greens Second Congress 2008. May 1-4, 2008.
>>>  Fundacao Memorial da America Latina. São Paulo, Brazil.
>>>  www.sfgov.org/mirkarimi www.rossmirkarimi.com
>>>  www.cagreens.org www.gp.org www.globalgreens.org
>>>
>>>  For videos of each individual speaker at the entire Congress, see
>>>  www.globalgreens.org/brazil2008/videos
>>>
>>>  For streaming video of the Congress as a whole, see
>>>  www.proempresa.inf.br/sites/600/657/00000311.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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