[Pnp-wg] Outline of options

[Steve Greenfield]

You really need a warm whirlpool and a good night's rest, dude.

Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Swaney" <mswaney@engr.uark.edu>
To: "'Steve Greenfield'" <bicyclesax@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 3:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Pnp-wg] Outline of options


> Steve G and WG,
>
> > > = Decor of the hall
>
>
> >Whoa.
>
> OK.
>
> >Are we getting into flag-waving questions here?
>
> No, we are not.
>
> It was my simple request that there be a standard American Flag on the
> podium to represent *my* country - are you voting in Canada?  Or have you
> renounced your citizenship?  Or do you think that the IDEALS of the Green
> Party are somehow incompatible with our being an *American* political
party?
> No? No? No?
>
> Then aside from your wanting to counter me (I'm flattered!) what's your
> point?
>
> >My sense is that I
> >hope we can make our patriotism evident without using the same symbol
> >stenciled onto bombs that drop on civilians in nations that did not
provoke
> >us. I'm anti-pandering. Anyone who doesn't vote for our candidate on
> >Election Day because there weren't enough flags visible at the convention
> >is
> >someone who was never going to vote for us anyway.
>
> How do you propose to "make our patriotism evident"?  By surrendering the
> flag to the Right Wingers?  Let's make this clear - I AM AN AMERICAN - AND
I
> AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY - AND I WILL NOT GIVE IT OVER TO FASCISTS!  That
flag
> DOES NOT BELONG TO THE REPUBLICANS OR THE DEMOCRATS - it belongs to
*every*
> American citizen and I will not give it up!
>
> *You* can strike your colors if you want - but I never will.
>
> You think simply having an American Flag on the stage is "pandering"?  Hey
> buddy - that flag BELONGS TO US! Don't slander it.
>
> >I don't reject the idea
> >of having an American flag in the room or on the stage or even right
> >alongside the podium,
>
> Well gee, thanks!
>
> That was all I asked for in the first place.
>
> But since you like to fight so much let's have a debate on the American
Flag
> by all means.
>
> And the next time you stand for political office in this country I will be
> handy with all kinds of quotes from your e-mails on how you think the
> American Flag is a symbol of aggression and to show it is "pandering".
I'm
> sure that will really help you to get elected and put into practice your
> ideas about democracy and fairness.
>
> Mark
>
>