From davidpollard@attbi.com Tue Sep 24 20:14:07 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 21786 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2002 20:14:07 -0000 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (204.127.198.38) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 20:14:07 -0000 Received: from the2ljpf36fqx5 ([12.238.97.172]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020924201340.JASX16629.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@the2ljpf36fqx5> for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:13:40 +0000 From: "David Pollard" To: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:13:46 -0500 Message-ID: <008801c26406$e389b770$ac61ee0c@the2ljpf36fqx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Texgreen] TEXGREEN IS NOW OPEN! 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All the Best, David Pollard From davidpollard@attbi.com Tue Sep 24 20:25:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 22827 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2002 20:25:52 -0000 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (216.148.227.88) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 20:25:52 -0000 Received: from the2ljpf36fqx5 ([12.238.97.172]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020924202525.JLON1160.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@the2ljpf36fqx5> for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:25:25 +0000 From: "David Pollard" To: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:25:31 -0500 Message-ID: <008901c26408$87c55e10$ac61ee0c@the2ljpf36fqx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Texgreen] Interesting Donahue tonight... Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Subject: Tues Sept 24th - Jesse Jackson Jr., George Galloway ------------------------------------------------------ Donahue Daily Update ------------------------------------------------------ Tuesday, September 24th, 2002 ----------------------------------------- -PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO YOUR EMAIL LISTS- ----------------------------------------- The phenomenon of "Disappearing Democrats" in Washington. Why have Democratic leaders gone quiet on issues from Iraq to the tax cut to military spending? Is there an opposition party in Washington today? Jesse Jackson Jr., Bernie Sanders and Democratic Party spokespersons weigh in. ----------------------------------------- Plus, in Parliament today British Prime Minister Tony Blair presented a dossier claiming to prove that Saddam Hussein is an imminent threat. It was denounced as "pulp fiction" by our guest, George Galloway, a member of Parliament, who joins Phil with a reaction from London. ----------------------------------------- Issues that matter. Tonight on Donahue at 8pm and 11pm ET on MSNBC. Donahue on the web: http://www.donahue.msnbc.com Guests and topics subject to change. ========================================= From tacham@realtime.net Tue Sep 24 23:05:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 31274 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2002 23:05:43 -0000 Received: from dragon.realtime.net (205.238.132.78) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 23:05:43 -0000 Received: from realtime.net ([205.238.178.38]) by dragon.realtime.net ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:05:08 -0600 Message-ID: <3D90EFA8.4AEFB25C@realtime.net> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:05:13 -0500 From: Til Chamkis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------77E06B152560607FC103ECE4" Subject: [Texgreen] No more deletes? Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------77E06B152560607FC103ECE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks David, So we don't have to strip everything down anymore!!! --------------77E06B152560607FC103ECE4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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So we don't have to strip everything down anymore!!!

--------------77E06B152560607FC103ECE4-- From jchamkis@bga.com Tue Sep 24 23:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 31279 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2002 23:05:45 -0000 Received: from dragon.realtime.net (205.238.132.78) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 23:05:45 -0000 Received: from bga.com ([66.25.130.5]) by dragon.realtime.net ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:10:09 -0600 Message-ID: <3D90E263.4883F9F0@bga.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:21:22 -0500 From: Jerry Chamkis Reply-To: jchamkis@bga.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "texgreen@envirolink.org" , Donna , "chelbyking@yahoo.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------281D910438C2132CD2379440" Subject: [Texgreen] [Fwd: Still a Few Dots to Connect in Iraq Domino Theory] Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------281D910438C2132CD2379440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Butler Crittenden, Ph.D." wrote: > http://www.latimes.com/la-na-outlook23sep23(0,2724543).story > [latimes.com] > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > WASHINGTON OUTLOOK Still a Few Dots to Connect in Iraq Domino Theory By RONALD BROWNSTEIN TIMES STAFF WRITER September 23 2002 Behind concern about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, there's another force propelling American forces toward combat in Iraq: A new domino theory. This version of the theory inverts the original. During the Cold War, the first domino theory held that if Vietnam fell to the Communists, neighboring nations all the way to the Philippines might fall away from us too—toppling like dominoes. The new domino theorists are arguing that if the United States overthrows Hussein and creates a pro-Western democratic regime in Iraq, the example will increase internal pressure to open closed societies such as Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria. This time the dominoes would fall in our direction. This theory has become a central—perhaps the central—justification for war in conservative circles, especially among the neoconservative foreign policy intellectuals. The Wall Street Journal editorial page, the leading bulletin board for conservatives, summarized the case this year: "If the U.S. removes Saddam in the right way, advocating a democracy instead of replacing him with another thug, the lesson will echo through the Arab world." These arguments have migrated into the administration's own brief for war. The headlines after Bush's United Nations speech focused on his demand that Iraq disarm and comply with a long list of other U.N. resolutions. But Bush also endorsed the neoconservatives' new domino theory, arguing that democracy in Iraq—as well as in Afghanistan and an independent Palestinian state—would inspire "reforms throughout the Muslim world." This goal has implications the administration hasn't fully acknowledged, and may explain some of its recent fuzziness on its ultimate aims in Iraq. For much of the world, an inspection regime that convincingly disarmed Iraq would be enough to end the crisis. But to the extent that President Bush has embraced the new domino theory, that's insufficient. Iraq can't be the first domino unless Hussein is removed and a new, open political system takes root. For the domino theorists, the goal isn't just disarmament but transformation. In the last two weeks, it's been murky whether that's a nonnegotiable goal for the administration. Not only Bush but Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell have lauded the potential benefits of a democratic Iraq. But by declaring their immediate aims to be disarmament and enforcement of U.N. resolutions, they have left it unclear whether the administration would settle for a convincingly disarmed Iraq with Hussein still in charge. What's already clear is that Bush will face significant pressure from domino theorists inside and outside the government not to accept that outcome. The believers see three big benefits to replacing Hussein with a democratic, Western-leaning leader. The first two are utterly hard-headed. Even more than overthrowing the Taliban in Afghanistan, they argue, invading Iraq would send a sobering message to other hostile nations. A new Iraqi government might also pump more oil, reducing America's dependence on Saudi Arabian crude. That would give us more freedom to lean on the Saudis to restrain their own extremists. The third is at the heart of the new domino theory: The belief that establishing what Cheney called a "democratic and pluralistic" Iraq would provide a model that inspires demand for democracy and change in other Arab states. It's difficult to quarrel with the first two elements in this case. U.S. tanks in Baghdad would surely turn heads in Damascus and Tehran. And reduced reliance on Saudi oil could give U.S. presidents more leverage to pressure the kingdom for change. But it's much more questionable that the United States can build a democratic Iraq, or that other nations would be drawn to the model if it did. Iraq isn't exactly fertile soil for democracy. Since it became an independent country in 1932, its political life has been defined by military coups, palace intrigue, assassinations and ethnic strife. Iraq hasn't had any functioning political alternative to Hussein's Baath party for more than three decades. The middle class that provides the basis for democracy has been eroded by the Iraqi dictator's misrule and the impact of economic sanctions. Tensions between Kurds, Sunni Muslims (who have ruled under Hussein) and the majority Shiite Muslims would inevitably erupt if the iron hand is removed. And other nations such as Iran and Turkey would likely poach for influence. "It is going to be incredibly difficult just to achieve a stable, peaceful and friendly Iraq," says Amy Hawthorne, an associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "The prospect of that entity also taking on a democratic character over time is a challenge unlike any the U.S. has attempted before." Nor is it certain that a new Iraqi regime built on the rubble of war would have the magnetic pull that domino theorists hope. Many Arabs may recoil from any regime installed at the point of a U.S. gun. And Hawthorne says reformers in neighboring countries may not see a transformation imposed by war as much of a model for peacefully changing their own societies. These are all reasons to be skeptical about the domino theorists' dreams of exporting democracy to the desert. But they are not necessarily reason to shelve those dreams. The odds of a post-Hussein Iraq becoming the lever to democratize the Middle East are too thin to justify war on that basis alone. But Bush and a majority of Congress still could conclude that an invasion is justified on national security grounds. And if they do, it would be in this country's interest to follow a war with a concerted effort to build an open Iraqi society. Still, if war comes, as seems likely, the demands of the domino theory could make it an odd one. Going in, the United States will know that everything it destroys in Iraq it will have to pay to rebuild—and that it will soon need the allegiance of the society that will feel the brunt of battle. Meanwhile, other Arab nations we are trying to enlist, such as Saudi Arabia, would recognize that one of the invasion's long-term purposes is to erode the legitimacy of their own regimes. Squaring these political riddles with the military imperative of ousting Hussein may prove to be an engineering problem much more complex than toppling dominoes. --------------281D910438C2132CD2379440 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------31810426DF8ED4ADCD574673" --------------31810426DF8ED4ADCD574673 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Butler Crittenden, Ph.D." wrote:
 http://www.latimes.com/la-na-outlook23sep23(0,2724543).story  
latimes.com


WASHINGTON OUTLOOK

Still a Few Dots to Connect in Iraq Domino
Theory

By RONALD BROWNSTEIN
TIMES STAFF WRITER

September 23 2002

Behind concern about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, there's another force
propelling American forces toward combat in Iraq: A new domino theory.

This version of the theory inverts the original. During the Cold War, the first domino theory held
that if Vietnam fell to the Communists, neighboring nations all the way to the Philippines might fall
away from us too—toppling like dominoes.

The new domino theorists are arguing that if the United States overthrows Hussein and creates a
pro-Western democratic regime in Iraq, the example will increase internal pressure to open closed
societies such as Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria. This time the dominoes would fall in our direction.

This theory has become a central—perhaps the central—justification for war in conservative circles,
especially among the neoconservative foreign policy intellectuals. The Wall Street Journal editorial
page, the leading bulletin board for conservatives, summarized the case this year: "If the U.S.
removes Saddam in the right way, advocating a democracy instead of replacing him with another
thug, the lesson will echo through the Arab world."

These arguments have migrated into the administration's own brief for war. The headlines after
Bush's United Nations speech focused on his demand that Iraq disarm and comply with a long list of
other U.N. resolutions. But Bush also endorsed the neoconservatives' new domino theory, arguing
that democracy in Iraq—as well as in Afghanistan and an independent Palestinian state—would
inspire "reforms throughout the Muslim world."

This goal has implications the administration hasn't fully acknowledged, and may explain some of its
recent fuzziness on its ultimate aims in Iraq. For much of the world, an inspection regime that
convincingly disarmed Iraq would be enough to end the crisis. But to the extent that President Bush
has embraced the new domino theory, that's insufficient. Iraq can't be the first domino unless Hussein
is removed and a new, open political system takes root. For the domino theorists, the goal isn't just
disarmament but transformation.

In the last two weeks, it's been murky whether that's a nonnegotiable goal for the administration. Not
only Bush but Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell have lauded the
potential benefits of a democratic Iraq. But by declaring their immediate aims to be disarmament and
enforcement of U.N. resolutions, they have left it unclear whether the administration would settle for
a convincingly disarmed Iraq with Hussein still in charge. What's already clear is that Bush will face
significant pressure from domino theorists inside and outside the government not to accept that
outcome.

The believers see three big benefits to replacing Hussein with a democratic, Western-leaning leader.
The first two are utterly hard-headed. Even more than overthrowing the Taliban in Afghanistan, they
argue, invading Iraq would send a sobering message to other hostile nations. A new Iraqi government
might also pump more oil, reducing America's dependence on Saudi Arabian crude. That would give
us more freedom to lean on the Saudis to restrain their own extremists.

The third is at the heart of the new domino theory: The belief that establishing what Cheney called a
"democratic and pluralistic" Iraq would provide a model that inspires demand for democracy and
change in other Arab states.

It's difficult to quarrel with the first two elements in this case. U.S. tanks in Baghdad would surely
turn heads in Damascus and Tehran. And reduced reliance on Saudi oil could give U.S. presidents
more leverage to pressure the kingdom for change.

But it's much more questionable that the United States can build a democratic Iraq, or that other
nations would be drawn to the model if it did. Iraq isn't exactly fertile soil for democracy. Since it
became an independent country in 1932, its political life has been defined by military coups, palace
intrigue, assassinations and ethnic strife.

Iraq hasn't had any functioning political alternative to Hussein's Baath party for more than three
decades. The middle class that provides the basis for democracy has been eroded by the Iraqi
dictator's misrule and the impact of economic sanctions. Tensions between Kurds, Sunni Muslims
(who have ruled under Hussein) and the majority Shiite Muslims would inevitably erupt if the iron
hand is removed. And other nations such as Iran and Turkey would likely poach for influence.

"It is going to be incredibly difficult just to achieve a stable, peaceful and friendly Iraq," says Amy
Hawthorne, an associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "The prospect of that
entity also taking on a democratic character over time is a challenge unlike any the U.S. has
attempted before."

Nor is it certain that a new Iraqi regime built on the rubble of war would have the magnetic pull that
domino theorists hope. Many Arabs may recoil from any regime installed at the point of a U.S. gun.
And Hawthorne says reformers in neighboring countries may not see a transformation imposed by
war as much of a model for peacefully changing their own societies.

These are all reasons to be skeptical about the domino theorists' dreams of exporting democracy to
the desert. But they are not necessarily reason to shelve those dreams. The odds of a post-Hussein
Iraq becoming the lever to democratize the Middle East are too thin to justify war on that basis alone.
But Bush and a majority of Congress still could conclude that an invasion is justified on national
security grounds. And if they do, it would be in this country's interest to follow a war with a
concerted effort to build an open Iraqi society.

Still, if war comes, as seems likely, the demands of the domino theory could make it an odd one.
Going in, the United States will know that everything it destroys in Iraq it will have to pay to
rebuild—and that it will soon need the allegiance of the society that will feel the brunt of battle.
Meanwhile, other Arab nations we are trying to enlist, such as Saudi Arabia, would recognize that
one of the invasion's long-term purposes is to erode the legitimacy of their own regimes. Squaring
these political riddles with the military imperative of ousting Hussein may prove to be an engineering
problem much more complex than toppling dominoes.
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24 Sep 2002 23:44:58 -0000 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (216.148.227.88) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 23:44:58 -0000 Received: from the2ljpf36fqx5 ([12.238.97.172]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020924234430.QGND1160.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@the2ljpf36fqx5> for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:44:30 +0000 From: "David Pollard" To: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:44:37 -0500 Message-ID: <009201c26424$5817a4e0$ac61ee0c@the2ljpf36fqx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Texgreen] FW: Us and Schroeder/Fischer Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: John Rensenbrink brings up some interesting concerns regarding the German's Green's recent successes. Given that de Groene's tendancy to be more pro-military than other Green Party's (like when they supported American bombing in Yugoslavia that American Greens opposed) is it only a matter of time before Fischer endorses Bush's ambitions in Iraq?? -----Original Message----- From: usgpcoo@greens.org On Behalf Of John Rensenbrink Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:25 PM To: Discussion Group/USGP Cc: USGP-Int@gp-us.org Subject: [USGP-Dx] Us and Schroeder/Fischer Hi, I was (still am) as thrilled as anyone at the 9% showing of the German Groene. But as I look ahead, the sheer logic of the situation makes me cautious. That logic propels Schroeder into a strong accommodation effort with Washington; and the very man who is called upon to lead that effort is none other than his popular Foreign Minister -- Joschka!, as the election billboards proclaimed him in the election campaign. Several weeks ago, Schroeder saw defeat staring him in the face and brilliantly capitalized on the strong sentiment in Germany against a war with Irag. But now, with the critical help of the Green Party, safely established in power once again (though with a very slim majority) he will, and by his lights will have to, it seems to me, bend real hard to make himself and his governing coalition acceptable to the Bush team in Washington. It will take some doing, since the Bush-ites are mad as hell, but "cool heads will prevail" no doubt and there will be a reconciliation. Where does that leave us. I mean by "us", the United States Green Party? Think about it. The implications are not attractive. [And, while we're thinking about that, let's also think about what this election result means for the future trajectory of the Green Party in Germany? Will they get sucked ever deeper into the mire of super-power realpolitik? Or will they be a cautionary force on Schoeder's government so that it will be able to do some standing up in the face of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Perle et al? Or, will they do more than that, will they seek to forge a pathway to peace?] I have my own opinion on where the logic of the situation (and of their critical choice four years ago to join in a coalition with Schroeder,) will take them. But I'd love to hear what others think.] John +-- | from John Rensenbrink via usgp-discussion@gp-us.org | for changes or help, usgp-discussion-request@gp-us.org +-- From davidpollard@attbi.com Tue Sep 24 23:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 1113 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2002 23:49:37 -0000 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (216.148.227.88) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 23:49:37 -0000 Received: from the2ljpf36fqx5 ([12.238.97.172]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020924234910.QKZH1160.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@the2ljpf36fqx5>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:49:10 +0000 From: "David Pollard" To: "'Til Chamkis'" , Subject: RE: [Texgreen] No more deletes? Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:49:17 -0500 Message-ID: <009401c26424$fee42500$ac61ee0c@the2ljpf36fqx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C263FB.160E1D00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <3D90EFA8.4AEFB25C@realtime.net> Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C263FB.160E1D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think so - try it and see. dave -----Original Message----- From: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org [mailto:texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org] On Behalf Of Til Chamkis Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:05 PM To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Subject: [Texgreen] No more deletes? Thanks David, So we don't have to strip everything down anymore!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C263FB.160E1D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don’t think so – try = it and see.

 

dave

 

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Thanks David, =

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------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C263FB.160E1D00-- From rcbaker@eden.infohwy.com Tue Sep 24 23:51:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 1326 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2002 23:51:01 -0000 Received: from lisa.synacor.com (HELO mail1.chek.com) (208.197.227.27) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 23:51:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 24052 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2002 23:50:32 -0000 Received: from 27-pool1.ras10.txdal-u.alerondial.net (HELO eden.infohwy.com) (206.148.212.27) by lisa.synacor.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 23:50:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3D90FA4B.4060507@eden.infohwy.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:50:35 -0500 From: Roger Baker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Texgreen] Test message Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The price of November oil hit $30.77 today, and increases above $30 historically tend to cause recession, which is generically bad for Bush but probably good for Dems and Greens. Stock market is still tanking. Lets hope all this results in a strong increase in Democratic control in the November to reduce the Green blame factor. Gore's questioning of Bush/Iraq war is certainly welcome help in Green and progressive opposition to this super-stupidist of all our wars. Keep calling Congress on the war -- we are making progress!! -- Roger From davidpollard@attbi.com Wed Sep 25 03:40:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 10739 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 03:40:01 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (204.127.202.63) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 03:40:01 -0000 Received: from the2ljpf36fqx5 ([12.238.97.172]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020925033933.EPNG28420.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@the2ljpf36fqx5> for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:39:33 +0000 From: "David Pollard" To: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c26445$2e4a56a0$ac61ee0c@the2ljpf36fqx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Texgreen] Death Penalty Ruled Unconstitutional Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Death Penalty Ruled Unconstitutional The Associated Press Tuesday, September 24, 2002; 3:41 PM MONTPELIER, Vt. -- A federal judge declared the federal death penalty unconstitutional Tuesday in the second such ruling in less than three months. U.S. District Judge William Sessions said the law does not adequately protect defendants' rights. "If the death penalty is to be part of our system of justice, due process of law and the fair trial guarantees of the Sixth Amendment require that standards and safeguards governing the kinds of evidence juries may consider must be rigorous, and constitutional rights and liberties scrupulously protected," he said. On July, U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff in New York City became the first federal judge to declare the 1994 Death Penalty Act unconstitutional. He cited evidence indicating that innocent people have been put to death. The rulings will not affect individual states' death penalty statutes. Thirty-eight states allow capital punishment, though some have not executed anyone for many years. The governors of Illinois and Maryland have placed moratoriums on executions in their states. Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and drug killer Juan Garza have been executed under the federal death penalty law. Tuesday's ruling came in the case of Donald Fell, 22, who is facing the death penalty for allegedly kidnapping and killing a woman in 2000. C 2002 The Associated Press From davidpollard@attbi.com Wed Sep 25 03:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 11824 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 03:58:01 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (204.127.202.63) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 03:58:01 -0000 Received: from the2ljpf36fqx5 ([12.238.97.172]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020925035733.FFTL28420.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@the2ljpf36fqx5>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:57:33 +0000 From: "David Pollard" To: "'Roger Baker'" , Subject: RE: [Texgreen] Test message Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:57:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c26447$b265d930$ac61ee0c@the2ljpf36fqx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3D90FA4B.4060507@eden.infohwy.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The problem with this is the oil shocks travel thru the economy too slowly to have much effect on the economy in time for the 2002 elections. Usually they take about 6 months to work thru the economy. So, what this does is greatly increases the likelihood of a recession starting during the worst part of the winter. I have to admit that I'm disappointed in OPEC at the moment. If they were serious about not wanting Iraq to be invaded, you'd think they'd be making at least *a little* noise about how a war could make them decide to reduce output. Given the degree of our dependence, they don't even have to do a 1973-style boycott, they could just cut back on output by 30-50% and because of war premium and supply/demand dynamics still make as much money as before. dave -----Original Message----- From: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org [mailto:texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org] On Behalf Of Roger Baker Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:51 PM To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Subject: [Texgreen] Test message The price of November oil hit $30.77 today, and increases above $30 historically tend to cause recession, which is generically bad for Bush but probably good for Dems and Greens. Stock market is still tanking. Lets hope all this results in a strong increase in Democratic control in the November to reduce the Green blame factor. Gore's questioning of Bush/Iraq war is certainly welcome help in Green and progressive opposition to this super-stupidist of all our wars. Keep calling Congress on the war -- we are making progress!! -- Roger _______________________________________________ texgreen mailing list texgreen@lists.gp-us.org http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/texgreen From davidpollard@attbi.com Wed Sep 25 04:21:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 13519 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 04:21:04 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (204.127.202.63) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 04:21:04 -0000 Received: from the2ljpf36fqx5 ([12.238.97.172]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020925042036.FZQQ28420.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@the2ljpf36fqx5> for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 04:20:36 +0000 From: "David Pollard" To: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:20:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c2644a$ea8b7240$ac61ee0c@the2ljpf36fqx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Texgreen] Urgent warning [from Israeli academics]: The Israeli government may be contemplating crimes Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Original Message----- From: Scott McLarty Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:06 PM To: dcsgp@yahoogroups.com; USGP-discussion@gp-us.org; usgp-int@greens.org Subject: [USGP-Dx] Urgent warning [from Israeli academics]: The Israeli government may be contemplating crimes Urgent warning: The Israeli government may be contemplating crimes against humanity. We, members of Israeli academe, are horrified by US buildup of aggression towards Iraq and by the Israeli political leadership's enthusiastic support for it. We are deeply worried by indications that he "fog of war" could be exploited by the Israeli government to commit further crimes against the Palestinian people, up to full-fledged ethnic cleansing. The Israeli ruling coalition includes parties that promote "transfer" of the Palestinian population as a solution to what they call "the demographic problem". Politicians are regularly quoted in the media as suggesting forcible expulsion, most recently MKs Michael Kleiner and Benny Elon, as reported on Yediot Ahronot website on September 19, 2002. In a recent interview in Ha'aretz, Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon described the Palestinians as a "cancerous manifestation" and equated the military actions in the Occupied Territories with "chemotherapy", suggesting that more radical "treatment" may be necessary. Prime Minister Sharon has backed this "assessment of reality". Escalating racist demagoguery concerning the Palestinian citizens of Israel may indicate the scope of the crimes that are possibly being contemplated. We call upon the International Community to pay close attention to events that unfold within Israel and in the Occupied Territories, to make it absolutely clear that crimes against humanity will not be tolerated, and to take concrete measures to prevent such crimes from taking place. Signatories, as of the 23 Sept 2002, morning: Prof. Zach Adam, Rehovot Prof. Colman Altman, Haifa Dr. Janina Altman, Haifa Tammy Amiel-Houser, Tel Aviv Chaya Amir, Tel Aviv Dr. Shmuel Amir, Tel Aviv Prof. Daniel Amit, Jerusalem/Rome Yali Amit, Chicago Dr. Meir Amor, Montreal, Canada Dr. Yonathan (Jon) Anson, Beer Sheva Prof. Shalom Baer, Jerusalem Dan Bar-On, Beer Sheva Dr. Avner Ben-Amos, Tel Aviv Prof. Matania Ben-Artzi, Jerusalem Prof. Linda Ben-Zvi, Tel Aviv Avi Berg, Tel Aviv Dr. Louise Bethlehem, Hod Hasharon Prof. Anat Bilezki, Tel Aviv Uri Bitan, Haifa Prof. Daniel Boyarin, Berkeley Prof. Victoria Buch, Jerusalem Smadar Carmon, Toronto Dr. Nicole Cohen-Addad, Tel Aviv Dr. Uri Davis, Sakhnin Athena Elizabeth DeRasmo, Haifa Prof. Aharon Eviatar, Tel Aviv Dr. Ovadia Ezra. Tel Aviv Prof. Emmanuel Farjoun, Jerusalem Pnina Firestone, Jerusalem Elizabeth Freund, Jerusalem Gadi Geiger, Cambridge, MA, USA Dr. Amira Gelblum, Tel Aviv Prof. Rachel Giora, Tel Aviv Dr. Anat Goldrat-First, Netanya Dr. Ofra Goldstein-Gidoni, Tel Aviv Dr. Neve Gordon, Beer Sheva Dr. Yerah Gover, New York Prof. Charles W. Greenbaum, Jerusalem Dr. Lev Grinberg, Beer Sheva Ran HaCohen, Tel Aviv Prof. Uri Hadar, Tel Aviv Prof. Galit Hasan-Rokem, Jerusalem Dr. Sara Helman, Beer Sheva Prof. Hanna Herzog, Tel Aviv Prof. Ze'ev Herzog, Tel Aviv Prof. Hannan Hever, Jerusalem Dr. Tikva Honig-Parnass, Jerusalem Shirly Houser, Tel Aviv Tal Itzhaki, Haifa Prof. Eva Jablonka, Tel Aviv Andrea Jacobs, Austin, Texas Dr. Devorah Kalekin-Fishman, Haifa Aya Kaniuk, Jerusalem Prof. Jacob Katriel, Haifa Prof. Tamar Katriel, Haifa Prof. Baruch Kimmerling, Jerusalem Dr. Haggai Kupermintz, Boulder, Colorado Dr. Ron Kuzar, Haifa Dr. Ariela Lazar, Evanston Prof. Micah Leshem, Haifa Erez Levkovitz, Jerusalem Prof. Rene Levy, Lausanne Dr. Orly Lubin, Tel Aviv Dr. Ruchama Marton, Tel Aviv Dr. Anat Matar, Tel Aviv Prof. Paul Mendes-Flohr, Jerusalem Rabbi Jeremy Milgrom, Jerusalem Menucha Moravitz, Ramat-Gan Regev Nathansohn, Tel Aviv Prof. Avraham Oz, Haifa Dr. Ilan Pappe, Haifa Gabriel Piterberg, UCLA Shakhar Rahav, Berkeley Dr. Amnon Raz-Krakotzkin, Beer Sheva Prof. Zvi Razi, Tel Aviv Prof. Tanya Reinhart, Tel Aviv Prof. Fanny-Michaela Reisin, Berlin Prof. Freddie Rokem, Tel Aviv Prof. Henry Rosenfeld, Haifa Dr. Maya Rosenfeld, Jerusalem Ouzi Rotem, Philadelphia Dr. Hannah Safran, Haifa Tami Sarfatti, UCLA Dr. Nita Schechet, Jerusalem Hillel Schocken, Tel Aviv Ruben Seroussi, Tel Aviv Dr. Erella Shadmi,Beit Berl Prof. Nomi Shir, Beer Sheva Dr. Miriam Shlesinger, Tel Aviv Aharon Shabtai, Tel Aviv Orly Soker, Sapir-Jerusalem Nurit Steinfeld, Jerusalem Roman Vater, Tel Aviv Dr. Roy Wagner, Tel-Aviv Dr. Michael Yogev, Haifa Kim Yuval, Tel Aviv Prof. Moshe Zimmermann, Jerusalem Michal Zweig, Herzelia __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com +-- | from Scott McLarty via usgp-discussion@gp-us.org | for changes or help, usgp-discussion-request@gp-us.org +-- From tomasmith@hotmail.com Wed Sep 25 06:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 18100 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 06:14:31 -0000 Received: from f120.law4.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.149.120) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 06:14:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:14:03 -0700 Received: from 208.186.131.47 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:14:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.186.131.47] From: "thomas d smith" To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Bcc: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:14:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2002 06:14:03.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEE88960:01C2645A] Subject: [Texgreen] Fwd: [DFWGLight] Fuzzy Minded Liberals Need Not Apply Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: OK, I guess my first one will be to forward these perceptive words by our man, Dick Armey... -Tom Smith >From: "Dale Greer" >Reply-To: DFWGreenLight@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [DFWGLight] Fuzzy Minded Liberals Need Not Apply >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:55:51 -0500 > >If you are a liberal politically and are thinking about a career in >science, >engineering, or economics, you may want to think again. According to >Honorable Richard K. Armey, Representative from the 26th district of Texas, >and House Majority Leader, "Liberals are in my estimation just not bright >people. They don't think deeply; they don't comprehend; they don't >understand. ... They have a narrow educational base, as opposed to the hard >scientists." > >Mr. Armey said conservatives have a deeper intellect and work in >"occupations of the brain" like engineering, science and economics. He said >liberals work in "occupations of the heart," which he said were those in >the >arts. > >The full text of the Fox News report is at >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,63984,00.html. > >Interestingly, a Google search for the term "fuzzy headed liberal" yielded >86 occurrences, while "fuzzy minded liberal" followed closely with 73 >occurrences. The term "pointy headed liberal" garnered 79 occurrences. None >of these terms were used by the esteemed Rep. Armey. The term "vast right >wing conspiracy" yielded about 13,400 occurrences, though most of these >were >conservative "humor" web sites, almost every one claiming to be the home of >the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. > >But I digress. > >Dale Greer > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From siteadm@ms1.lga2.nytimes.com Wed Sep 25 13:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 28525 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 13:48:29 -0000 Received: from ms4.lga2.nytimes.com (64.15.247.148) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 13:48:29 -0000 Received: from email5.lga2.nytimes.com (email5 [10.0.0.170]) by ms4.lga2.nytimes.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 299FC5D139 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by email5.lga2.nytimes.com (Postfix, from userid 202) id 65CBD58A51; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: tomasmith@hotmail.com From: tomasmith@hotmail.com To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Message-Id: <20020925134410.65CBD58A51@email5.lga2.nytimes.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Texgreen] NYTimes.com Article: Bush Is Thwarted on Worker Rights in Security Dept. Measure Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by tomasmith@hotmail.com. Geoff, here's yet another example of one of the last remaining '70s era Republican liberals going against this troubling strain of right wing Democrats... -Tom Smith tomasmith@hotmail.com Bush Is Thwarted on Worker Rights in Security Dept. Measure September 25, 2002 By DAVID FIRESTONE A moderate Republican senator gave Democrats the votes they needed to keep President Bush from firing workers in a new Homeland Security Department. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/25/politics/25HOME.html?ex=1033961450&ei=1&en=873ed16e505ed51c HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company From davidpollard@attbi.com Wed Sep 25 13:58:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 29079 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 13:58:52 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (204.127.202.63) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 13:58:52 -0000 Received: from the2ljpf36fqx5 ([12.238.97.172]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020925135825.TLBF28420.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@the2ljpf36fqx5> for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:58:25 +0000 From: "David Pollard" To: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:58:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c2649b$a1259b20$ac61ee0c@the2ljpf36fqx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: [Texgreen] German Greens Prepare to Reap Rewards of Victory Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Published on Tuesday, September 24, 2002 in the Guardian/UK =20 German Greens Prepare to Reap Rewards of Victory =20 by John Hooper in Berlin=20 =20 The Berlin daily Der Tagesspiegel carried a cartoon yesterday showing a panting Joschka Fischer racing towards a finishing line with a smiling Gerhard Schr=F6der in his arms."I knew we'd make it," the chancellor is saying.=20 The Greens in general, and the party's leader, Joschka Fischer, in particular did indeed carry the center-left to victory on Sunday night. As Mr Fischer noted, the party secured every one of its objectives.=20 It won more than 8% of the vote; it remained the fourth-biggest party after the Social Democrats (SPD), the CDU and the Bavarian CSU, and - above all - its success ensured the survival of the "red-green" coalition.=20 But Mr Fischer sent a veiled warning to his followers yesterday not to provoke their Social Democrat allies. He said that, after their outstanding performance, he saw "no reason for flexing our muscles".=20 A fourth seat at the cabinet table may well be in the offing. Franz M=FCntefering, the Social Democrats' general secretary, did not rule out that possibility yesterday.=20 The Green party, however, will also be seeking to introduce even more of its ideas into the government program than it did four years ago.=20 Fritz Kuhn, the party's joint leader, said it would be approaching the coalition negotiations "in a friendly and constructive fashion", but with a "detailed strategy".=20 Such an approach could lead to friction. The Green party, for example, wants to keep up the phased rise in the German fossil fuel levy, the so-called "eco-tax" - the Social Democrats pledged to cap it after 2003. The SPD is committed to military conscription. The Greens want it scrapped.=20 But, said Mr Schr=F6der, "anyone who thinks there will be big problems = in the negotiations is going to be disappointed".=20 That may have been more than just spin. The campaign saw a visible growing together of the red and green elements.=20 Mr Schr=F6der made two key Green causes his own: opposition to war, in = his denial of troops for an invasion of Iraq, and concern for the environment, in the form of a commitment to alternative energy.=20 His new government may be weaker because it will have a smaller majority, but a greater common purpose may give it more strength.=20 In some areas, those in which he faces resistance from the SPD "old guard", Mr Schr=F6der may welcome the excuse of Green pressure.=20 "Schr=F6der does not need to reform his own party because he has the Greens," said Claus Leggewie, a political science professor at Giessen university.=20 The Greens' economic policy, for example, has elements of liberalism as well as anti-globalization. It did not feature much in the last government's program, as all economic portfolios were held by independents or Social Democrats.=20 But Mr Fischer dropped some hints yesterday suggesting that he would like that to change.=20 "We want to bring on the modernization of our country and take up the globalization question," he said. Some of the most important issues, he added, included "structural reform" in the environment and the economy.=20 Paul Brown adds: Penny Kemp, chairwoman of the UK Green party, said: "People are beginning to link disasters, like the flooding, and economic issues. The floods came at an important time for Green electoral fortunes, particularly in the old East Germany, which was worst hit.=20 "In Europe, and indeed worldwide, it is part of an increasingly solid Green vote.=20 "We have had recent successes as far apart as Taiwan and Mexico as people begin to see the link between the environment and economic well being.=20 "We are no longer seen as a single-issue party, but a party with an alternative social agenda which includes peace." =A9 Guardian Newspapers Limited 2002 From davidpollard@attbi.com Wed Sep 25 14:01:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 29328 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 14:01:22 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (204.127.202.63) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 14:01:22 -0000 Received: from the2ljpf36fqx5 ([12.238.97.172]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020925140055.TNAD28420.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@the2ljpf36fqx5> for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:00:55 +0000 From: "David Pollard" To: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:01:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c2649b$fa97dc40$ac61ee0c@the2ljpf36fqx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: [Texgreen] The thugs Bush wants in place of Saddam (Sunday Herald, UK) Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Unveiled: the thugs Bush wants in place of Saddam Sunday Herald (Scotland, UK), 22 September 2002 http://www.sundayherald.com/27877 http://www.sundayherald.com/print27877 If Saddam Hussein is America's frying-pan, these men are the fire into which President Bush may be jumping. Foreign Editor David Pratt runs the rule over some of the highly assorted and far from loveable would-be beneficiaries of Iraqi 'regime change' CORRUPT, feckless and downright dangerous. Some say they make the Butcher of Baghdad himself look good. Who are they? The contenders for Saddam Hussein's throne. Ever since the September 11 attacks 'regime change' has been the catchphrase coming out of Washington. But if George Bush is as intent on invading Iraq as he seems to be, overthrowing the Iraqi regime and deposing Saddam may well turn out to be the easy bit. If Afghanistan's nightmarish internal politics proved problematic after the toppling of the Taliban, Bush should be under no illusion that Iraq's would be any less so. The Northern Alliance might not have seemed a very palatable alternative to the Taliban, but it has a certain rough credibility. There is no equivalent in Iraq. Following any ousting of Saddam, the task will be to prevent anarchy from returning to the streets of Baghdad and the oil facilities throughout the country. To that end the US needs its own strongman to put in Saddam's place. Saddam, of course, has never had a problem with making enemies. Indeed, the breadth of the Iraqi opposition -- from Islamic fundamentalists and communists to monarchists and free-marketeers -- demonstrates his ability in this respect. Seemingly every week a new group springs up and issues an identikit statement to the international media. Recently one organisation, which nobody seems to have heard of except its own members, even took over the Iraqi embassy in Germany to prove that it existed. There are, however, some basic patterns to the cacophony of proclamations from new movements, councils and parties that purport to represent the voice of the authentic Iraqi individual. First, there are the national bodies that were created inside Iraq before 1990, when the bond that had formed between Iraq and the US was shattered by the invasion of Kuwait. These are groups like the Iraqi Communist Party, the largest group in Iraq from the 1950s through to the 1970s, and al-Daawa al-Islamiyya (the Islamic Call), which engineered the biggest demonstrations against the Iraqi regime in the 1970s and had close ties with Ayatollah Khomeini's Islamic revolutionaries in neighbouring Iran. With extensive experience of organisation and the political process inside Iraq, many of these groups retain some level of support -- or at least respect -- among many of the Iraqi people. They have three things in common: they are intensely persecuted by the Iraqi regime, they are wholly unpalatable to the West, and they strongly oppose a US invasion on the grounds of the suffering this will cause the Iraqi people. Second, there are groups representing sectarian or ethnic interests such as the four million Iraqi Kurds, and the country's Shi'as, which make up 60% of the population. Although some of these groups are large, and the US has sought their backing for its invasion plans, they remain split within their own ranks, and have no chance of being installed in Saddam's place as they cannot claim to represent all Iraqis. Third, there are the new groups, often formed under US auspices after 1990. The US has tried to encourage senior members of Iraq's military and civilian establishments to defect to the West, and their prize has often been a budget, some training, lavish offices, frequent meetings with US officials and the prospect of taking a leading political role in a post-Saddam Iraq. It is from these groups that the US will select the new rulers if they succeed in ousting Saddam. 'He may be a son-of-a-bitch,' President Franklin D Roosevelt is said to have commented of the brutal Nicaraguan dictator, Anastasio Somoza, 'but he's our son-of-a-bitch'. Saddam was Washington's SOB throughout most of the Reagan administration, a valuable foil against the US's nemesis, Iran. Somewhere along the line, possibly in 1990, he lost the 'our'. Judging from the current rogues' gallery of heirs to Saddam, it's anyone's guess which of them will be tagged with Washington's favourite SOB epithet this time around. General Nizar Al-Khazraji ACCORDING to many human rights groups, he is the field commander who led the 48-hour chemical weapons attack which poisoned and burned 5000 Kurdish civilians in the northern town of Halabja in March 1988. He also, alleges one credible eyewitness who testified in video-taped evidence earlier this year, kicked a little Kurdish child to death after his forces entered a village during the height of the Iraqi repression in 1988. But, says Ambassador David Mack, a senior official in the US State Department who co-ordinates meetings of Iraqi opposition groups in Washington DC, General Nizar al-Khazraji has 'a good military reputation' and 'the right ingredients' as a future leader in Iraq. The most senior military officer to defect since 1990, al-Khazraji was Saddam's chief of staff from 1980 until 1991, leading the army through the eight-year Iran-Iraq war and the invasion of Kuwait in 1990. He left Iraq in 1996 and was granted political asylum first in Spain and then in Denmark, where he now lives in a quiet suburb of Copenhagen. There are claims he was reluctant to leave Iraq, but that the CIA tempted him with promises of a major political role after the overthrow of Saddam. As a result, he has not been quiet about his plans to lead Iraq: he once described his future leadership as a 'sacred duty'. Apart from his apparent boastfulness, which has alienated many of his fellow travellers in the exiled opposition, al-Khazraji's role in some of the worst abuses of Saddam's regime poses serious problems in presenting himself as a future leader of Iraq. A Danish newspaper investigating al-Khazraji's role found he was the field commander during the Halabja operation, choosing the chemicals to be used and the intensity with which to drop them. Although al-Khazraji denies having had this role, the allegations were serious and detailed enough for the Danish ministry of justice to launch an official investigation, with the potential to bring war crimes charges against him. Eighty-nine Kurdish and human rights groups have issued a joint statement to demand his trial. He has been under effective house arrest for almost a year now, guarded by four police officers. Despite this al-Khazraji, 64, says he has no doubt the Iraqi military is ready to rise up against Saddam. All it will take is a lot of American firepower, carefully targeted, and some organising by military exiles like himself. How can he be so sure? 'I was the chief of my army and I know my men very well,' he says. Brigadier-General Najib Al-Salihi IN meetings at the British Foreign Office in March this year, Brigadier-General Najib al-Salihi acquired the sobriquet of 'the rapidly rising star' of the Iraqi opposition. When a popular website of Iraqi exiles held an online poll to find who would be their preferred future leader, al-Salihi raced ahead -- until the poll had to be suspended amid suspicions it was being rigged. In any case, it wouldn't have been the first Iraqi election to produce a victor with 99.9% of the vote. Commander of an armoured division of Iraq's elite Republican Guard in the Gulf war, Salihi played a significant military role in Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. He was also engaged in putting down the uprising against Saddam 's rule that followed the defeat at the hands of the US-led forces. The repressive way in which this particular episode was handled caused 1.5 million people to flee their homes, while Salihi went on to write a book about his crushing of the popular uprising, entitled Al-Zilzal, 'The Earthquake'. After commanding Iraqi forces in putting down another rebellion by an opposition group in 1995, Salihi defected to the side of his former enemies and came to co-operate with the US, where he now lives. He has the advantage of youth over many of his rivals, having just turned 50, and strikes a contradictory pose with regard to his future role. On the one hand he states that the military should not be engaged in the politics of Iraq. On the other, he heads the CIA- sponsored Iraqi Free Officers Movement, another collection of dubious military exiles in the Washington suburbs, which he claims can raise 30,000 fighters. He also says he favours a three- pronged infantry assault in Baghdad from Kurdish Iraq, Kuwait and possibly Jordan. He forecasts a scenario in which Saddam would be on the run, suggesting that US aircraft policing the no-fly zones could be used to back an advance on Baghdad by rebel forces from the north. 'Saddam will try to escape, but he will find that he has nowhere to go,' Salihi has said. 'We will not be able to put him on trial. The people will get to him first.' Cleverly, Salihi avoids giving the impression of power-hungriness and speaks of the 'tough work ahead' and the 'bond of trust with the Iraqi people'. The same Iraqi people he so mercilessly crushed when they opposed Saddam. Ahmad Al-Chalabi Ahmad al-Chalabi came to international attention not for his politics, but for fleeing to London from Jordan in 1989 amid allegations he had embezzled millions from the bank he used to own. Although he denies any wrongdoing, the collapse of the Petra Bank left thousands of its customers in penury and earned him comparisons with Robert Maxwell. He didn't return to Jordan to defend himself at his trial in 1992, which took place in his absence, and will begin his 32 years in prison only if he returns to Jordan, which he shows no sign of doing at present. The long-time face of the Iraqi opposition in Washington, Chalabi took the reins of the Iraqi National Congress (INC), an umbrella organisation created in 1992 with the assistance of the CIA. Although he was officially demoted in 1999 to be a member of the INC's executive council rather than its leader, he is widely accepted as the first among equals and is spoken of by INC officials as the future president of Iraq. This despite the fact that the US State Department recently found that about half of the $4m it had given to the INC was not properly accounted for. They clearly expected better from a former maths professor and banker, and cut off funding. Chalabi, however, galvanised his US supporters, and the Pentagon and the White House again started picking up the tab. Chalabi is, if nothing else, an operator. One delegate at a New York meeting of the INC said of him: 'He takes more than his share, much more than his share, and I get nothing. Just look at the way he dresses. They say Saddam has 300 suits; well, this guy has 400.' Many Chalabi mannerisms that appeal in the West may have been picked up at his Sussex private school, where he was a member of the cadet corps -- his sole training for planning an invasion of Iraq. Just as the US was forgetting him in the wake of more accusations of financial irregularities, he came up with a plan to unseat Saddam in a choreographed 11-week manoeuvre. The plot, launched at Chalabi's Mayfair home and involving turning untrained volunteers into successful revolutionaries, provided him with the soundbite necessary to capture US policymakers' minds in the wake of September 11. Few stopped to question if it verged on the unrealistic. Convicted embezzlers, accused war criminals and CIA stooges to a man, few if any of those who would dethrone Saddam match up to the proverbial man on a white horse, a respected military officer who can ride in, take control and unite Iraq's fractious tribes and religious groups. Serious questions remain as to the readiness, willingness and fitness to lead of those in main contention. As Said K Aburish, the respected Middle Eastern writer and biographer of Saddam Hussein, concluded: 'I examined my notes of the interviews I conducted with 82 Iraqi opposition leaders, and began identifying those on my list whose thinking resembles Saddam's. To my horror, I decided 75 of the people I interviewed were men who would kill to achieve their goal.' One can only wonder whether Washington has come to the same conclusion, or indeed really cares. Research and additional reporting by Dr Glen Rangwala, lecturer in politics at Trinity College, Cambridge +-- | from Scott McLarty via usgp-discussion@gp-us.org | for changes or help, usgp-discussion-request@gp-us.org +-- From davidpollard@attbi.com Wed Sep 25 14:04:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 29574 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 14:03:59 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (204.127.202.61) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 14:03:59 -0000 Received: from the2ljpf36fqx5 ([12.238.97.172]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020925140331.OCRF8451.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@the2ljpf36fqx5> for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:03:31 +0000 From: "David Pollard" To: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:03:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c2649c$57c6b030$ac61ee0c@the2ljpf36fqx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: [Texgreen] FW: UK Labour Party releases a Counter-Dossier disputing PM Blair's Dossier on Iraq Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: From: Scott McLarty Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:43 AM To: USGP-discussion@gp-us.org Subject: [USGP-Dx] UK Labour Party releases a Counter-Dossier disputing PM Blair's Dossier on Iraq The British Labour Party, which opposes Prime Minister Tony Blair's support for Bush's invasion plans, has released a 'Counter-Dossier Against the War' in response to Blair's Dossier released yesterday. The Blair Dossier is all over the news now, and purports to show evidence that Iraq intends to launch some kind of strike. Here's the Counter-Dossier's web site: http://www.traprockpeace.org/counter-dossier.html Will this get into the US media? Hmmm. Scott +-- | from Scott McLarty via usgp-discussion@gp-us.org | for changes or help, usgp-discussion-request@gp-us.org +-- From rcbaker@eden.infohwy.com Wed Sep 25 15:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 1417 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 15:36:04 -0000 Received: from lenny.synacor.com (HELO mail1.chek.com) (208.197.227.246) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 15:36:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 29768 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 15:35:35 -0000 Received: from 25-pool1.ras10.txdal-u.alerondial.net (HELO eden.infohwy.com) (206.148.212.25) by lenny.synacor.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 15:35:35 -0000 Message-ID: <3D91D7CC.7050002@eden.infohwy.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:35:40 -0500 From: Roger Baker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org References: <20020925134410.65CBD58A51@email5.lga2.nytimes.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080508060508090508050802" Subject: [Texgreen] Maureen Dowd does Bush Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------080508060508090508050802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit [Does him to a crisp. -- Roger] New York Times September 25, 2002 No More Bratwurst! By MAUREEN DOWD WASHINGTON -- They rule their world ruthlessly and insolently, deciding who will get a cold shoulder, who will get locked out of the power clique and who will get withering glares until they grovel and obey the arbitrary dictates of the leaders. We could be talking about the middle-school alpha girls, smug cheerleaders with names like Darcy, Brittany and Whitney. But, no, we're talking about the ostensibly mature and seasoned leaders of the Western world, a slender former cheerleader named W. and his high-hatting clique -- Condi, Rummy and Cheney. I used to think the Bush hawks suffered from testosterone poisoning, always throwing sharp elbows and cartoonishly chesty my-way-or-the-highway talk around the world, when a less belligerent tone would be classier and more effective. But now we have the spectacle of the 70-year-old Rummy acting like a 16-year-old Heather, vixen-slapping those lower in the global hierarchy, trying to dominate and silence the beta countries with less money and fewer designer weapons. At a meeting of NATO defense ministers this week in Warsaw, the Pentagon chief snubbed his German counterpart, Peter Struck, refusing to meet with him, only deigning to shake his hand at a cocktail party. Echoing Condi's peevishness, Rummy announced that the campaign of Gerhard Schröder, who eked out a victory by running against the Bush push to invade Iraq, "had the effect of poisoning a relationship." In their eagerness to apply adolescent torture methods, Bush hawks seem to have forgotten history: Do we really want to punish the Germans for being pacifists? Once those guys get rolling in the other direction, they don't really know how to put the brakes on. Mr. Schröder behaved like a good beta, trying to align himself with the American alphas, by dumping his embarrassing friends, the justice minister who linked Mr. Bush's tactics to Hitler's, and the parliamentary floor leader who compared W. to Augustus, the Roman emperor who subdued the Germanic tribes. Mr. Struck and the German foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, were eager wannabes. Mr. Struck offered more German troops for Afghanistan and Mr. Fischer apologized to Colin Powell, the administration's gamma girl, the careful listener who'd always rather build relationships than run roughshod over them. Gerhard will have to go through way more of a shame spiral. He can forget about getting Germany a permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council. And no more bratwurst on White House menus. The State Department wanted the petulant president to make nice with the Germans. But W. was, like, enjoying his hissy fit, refusing to make the customary call to congratulate Mr. Schröder. As with alpha girls, the president makes leadership all about him. He thinks there are only two places to be: with him on Iraq or with the terrorists. After all, Germany is not Saudi Arabia -- they have elections over there. And surely the Bushes have heard of candidates saying whatever it takes, and placating various special interests, to win an election -- and then mending fences afterward. Three words: Bob Jones University. All pols know today's adversary is tomorrow's ally. Maybe the Bush policy on Empire & Pre-emption allows us to decide not only who can run a country, but what are the proper issues for other nations' election debates. Bush senior was a master of personal diplomacy, taking heads of state out on his cigarette boat, to Orioles games and to the Air and Space Museum to see the movie "To Fly." He was a foreign policy realist who used socializing, gossiping, notes and phone calls to lubricate relations with other leaders. But W., who was always the Roman candle and hatchet man in the family, has turned his father's good manners upside down -- consulting sparingly, leaving poor Tony Blair to make the case against his foes for him, and treating policy disagreements as personal slights. Only the Saudis get away with disobliging the administration on Iraq without being frozen out. They're like the spoiled, foreign princesses in high school, dripping in Dolce & Gabbana and Asprey, who drive their Mercedes convertibles into the magic alpha circle. But then, Germans merely make Mercedes. Saudis control the oil. --------------080508060508090508050802 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------060204030001080309020903" --------------060204030001080309020903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Does him to a crisp. -- Roger]


New York Times
September 25, 2002

No More Bratwurst!

By MAUREEN DOWD


WASHINGTON — They rule their world ruthlessly and
insolently, deciding who will get a cold shoulder, who will get
locked out of the power clique and who will get withering
glares until they grovel and obey the arbitrary dictates of the
leaders.

We could be talking about the middle-school alpha girls,
smug cheerleaders with names like Darcy, Brittany and
Whitney.

But, no, we're talking about the ostensibly mature and
seasoned leaders of the Western world, a slender former
cheerleader named W. and his high-hatting clique — Condi,
Rummy and Cheney.

I used to think the Bush hawks suffered from testosterone
poisoning, always throwing sharp elbows and cartoonishly
chesty my-way-or-the-highway talk around the world, when a
less belligerent tone would be classier and more effective.

But now we have the spectacle of the 70-year-old Rummy
acting like a 16-year-old Heather, vixen-slapping those lower
in the global hierarchy, trying to dominate and silence the
beta countries with less money and fewer designer
weapons.

At a meeting of NATO defense ministers this week in
Warsaw, the Pentagon chief snubbed his German
counterpart, Peter Struck, refusing to meet with him, only
deigning to shake his hand at a cocktail party.

Echoing Condi's peevishness, Rummy announced that the
campaign of Gerhard Schröder, who eked out a victory by
running against the Bush push to invade Iraq, "had the effect
of poisoning a relationship."

In their eagerness to apply adolescent torture methods,
Bush hawks seem to have forgotten history: Do we really
want to punish the Germans for being pacifists? Once those
guys get rolling in the other direction, they don't really know
how to put the brakes on.

Mr. Schröder behaved like a good beta, trying to align
himself with the American alphas, by dumping his
embarrassing friends, the justice minister who linked Mr.
Bush's tactics to Hitler's, and the parliamentary floor leader
who compared W. to Augustus, the Roman emperor who
subdued the Germanic tribes.

Mr. Struck and the German foreign minister, Joschka
Fischer, were eager wannabes. Mr. Struck offered more
German troops for Afghanistan and Mr. Fischer apologized
to Colin Powell, the administration's gamma girl, the careful
listener who'd always rather build relationships than run
roughshod over them.

Gerhard will have to go through way more of a shame spiral.
He can forget about getting Germany a permanent seat on
the U.N. Security Council. And no more bratwurst on White
House menus.

The State Department wanted the petulant president to
make nice with the Germans. But W. was, like, enjoying his
hissy fit, refusing to make the customary call to congratulate
Mr. Schröder.

As with alpha girls, the president makes leadership all about
him. He thinks there are only two places to be: with him on
Iraq or with the terrorists.

After all, Germany is not Saudi Arabia — they have elections
over there. And surely the Bushes have heard of candidates
saying whatever it takes, and placating various special
interests, to win an election — and then mending fences
afterward. Three words: Bob Jones University. All pols know
today's adversary is tomorrow's ally.

Maybe the Bush policy on Empire & Pre-emption allows us
to decide not only who can run a country, but what are the
proper issues for other nations' election debates.

Bush senior was a master of personal diplomacy, taking
heads of state out on his cigarette boat, to Orioles games
and to the Air and Space Museum to see the movie "To Fly."

He was a foreign policy realist who used socializing,
gossiping, notes and phone calls to lubricate relations with
other leaders.

But W., who was always the Roman candle and hatchet
man in the family, has turned his father's good manners
upside down — consulting sparingly, leaving poor Tony Blair
to make the case against his foes for him, and treating policy
disagreements as personal slights.

Only the Saudis get away with disobliging the administration
on Iraq without being frozen out. They're like the spoiled,
foreign princesses in high school, dripping in Dolce &
Gabbana and Asprey, who drive their Mercedes convertibles
into the magic alpha circle.

But then, Germans merely make Mercedes. Saudis control
the oil.




--------------060204030001080309020903-- --------------080508060508090508050802-- From rcbaker@eden.infohwy.com Wed Sep 25 16:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 6495 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 16:17:59 -0000 Received: from lisa.synacor.com (HELO mail1.chek.com) (208.197.227.27) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 16:17:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 1225 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 16:17:31 -0000 Received: from 36-pool1.ras10.txdal-u.alerondial.net (HELO eden.infohwy.com) (206.148.212.36) by lisa.synacor.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 16:17:31 -0000 Message-ID: <3D91E1A0.4040405@eden.infohwy.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:17:36 -0500 From: Roger Baker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Texgreen] Oil could hit $100 per barrel Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The current $30+ US spot price for oil plus an expected natural gas shortage this winter already forecasts a recession, as if we were not already in one. According to Colin Campbell, we very likely hit the ceiling of world oil supply in late 2000. A big question is whether the Saudis really have excess capacity held in reserve or whether the region is really at or near current capacity; they sure went along easy when others in OPEC wanted to hold production at current levels. Some Persian Gulf countries like Saudis could undoubtedly produce more oil capacity with time and investment, but we are certainly not putting them in the mood to expand capacity. Yamani's remark is not really news at all to those who remember the Gulf War. It is more stating the obvious. Preparing for a messy war to build a "democracy" in this region is akin to preparing the USA for the mother of all recessions. Remember the Shiites who surround the oil fields in southern Iraq are potential allies of the same sect that dominates Iran (which itself is probably near or past their oil peak). To get more oil out of this troubled region you have to put those who live there in the right mood or take lots of casualties. -- Roger ******************************************* Yamani: oil may hit $100 a barrel By George Trefgarne, Economics Editor (Filed: 25/09/2002) Sheikh Yamani, the former head of Opec who terrorised the West with threats over oil supplies in the 1970s, returned to the fray yesterday when he warned that the price of crude could triple to $100 a barrel if there is a war against Iraq. His comments contributed to another torrid day on financial markets, where shares tumbled. The FTSE 100 index closed down 68.3 at 3,671.1, a level unseen since December 1995. In an interview in a German magazine DM Euro, Sheikh Yamani - who is now retired as Saudi oil minister but still close to the ruling family - said Saddam Hussein could fire chemical weapons at his neighbours if he was attacked. "And if that's the case, you can expect a triple-digit oil price. It could rise to $100 if the flow of oil from Kuwait and Saudia Arabia is turned off." The benchmark price of a barrel of crude rose 12 cents to $29.25 yesterday, still below the $40 a barrel it reached during the Gulf war. But analysts are increasingly concerned that it will continue to rise. Last night Alan Greenspan, chairman of the US Federal Reserve, declined to come to the market's rescue. US interest rates were left on hold at 1.75 per cent. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/09/25/woil25.xml/ From jchamkis@bga.com Wed Sep 25 16:25:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 7093 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 16:25:44 -0000 Received: from dragon.realtime.net (205.238.132.78) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 16:25:44 -0000 Received: from bga.com ([66.25.130.5]) by dragon.realtime.net ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:07:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3D91C2D3.3F1BCCF1@bga.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:21:31 -0500 From: Jerry Chamkis Reply-To: jchamkis@bga.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "texgreen@envirolink.org" , Donna , "chelbyking@yahoo.com" , Bob Dailey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Texgreen] [Fwd: Project for a New American Century] Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: S Culver wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ! --> Project for a New American Century <-- ! -------------------- "Moscow Times continues Bush-Hitler analogy: Dark Passage - editorial by Chris Floyd" 9/22/02 MOSCOW -- Not since "Mein Kampf" has a geopolitical punch been so blatantly telegraphed, years ahead of the blow. "Adolf Hitler clearly spelled out his plans to destroy the Jews and launch wars of conquest to secure German domination of world affairs in his 1925 book, long before he ever assumed power. Despite the zigzags of rhetoric he later employed, the various PR spins and temporary justifications offered for this or that particular policy, any attentive reader of his vile regurgitation could have divined his intentions as he drove his country -- and the world -- to murderous upheaval. "Similarly ... the Bush Regime's foreign policy is also being carried out according to a strict blueprint written years ago, then renewed a few months before the Regime was installed in power by the judicial coup of December 2000. "The first version, mentioned in passing here last week, was drafted by a team operating under then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney in 1992. It set out a new doctrine for U.S. power in the 21st century, an aggressive, unilateral approach that would secure American domination of world affairs -- "by force if necessary," as one of the acolytes put it. ..."a new group, the aptly-named Project for a New American Century (PNAC). Members included hard-right players like Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Zalmay Khalilzad (now "special envoy" to the satrapy of Afghanistan) and other empire aspirants currently perched in the upper reaches of government power. ..."The documents explain America's relentless march across Afghanistan, Central Asia and soon into the Middle East. They explain the Bush Regime's otherwise unfathomable rejection of international law, its fanatical devotion to so-called missile defense, its gargantuan increases in military spending -- even its antediluvian energy policy, which mandates the continued primacy of oil and gas in the world economy. http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=204834 [more on PNAC:] In this context, 9-11 did not create a new global challenge for the United States; it merely changed the setting for the contest. That contest had been anticipated and even welcomed by the right-wing lobby group, Project for a New American Century, established in 1997 by Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, John Bolton, Paula Dobriansky and many other members of the present Bush Administration to "make the case and rally support for American leadership", "challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values" and "promote the resolve to shape a new century favourable to American principles and interests." http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:2OrnNwy1pOQC:www.nthposition.com/ politics_lucas_ryan.html++%22Project+for+a+New+American+Century %22+cheney&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8 [paste URL together] [lots more if you do a search] From jchamkis@bga.com Wed Sep 25 16:40:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 7889 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 16:40:50 -0000 Received: from dragon.realtime.net (205.238.132.78) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 16:40:50 -0000 Received: from bga.com ([66.25.130.5]) by dragon.realtime.net ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:59:27 -0600 Message-ID: <3D91DD01.7980AA24@bga.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:13:30 -0500 From: Jerry Chamkis Reply-To: jchamkis@bga.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "texgreen@envirolink.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Texgreen] [Fwd: URGENT ACTION -- STOP THE WAR!! DEMAND FAIR MEDIA COVERAGE] Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Mark Waller wrote: ACTION ALERT TO STOP THE WAR !! NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE WORLD THE U.S. CORPORATE MEDIA'S CENSORSHIP CAMPAIGN IS A THREAT TO YOU. ACT NOW!! U.S. MEDIA HAS GONE TOO FAR ? WE MUST STOP CENSORSHIP IN AMERICA “BEFORE” THE WORLD GOES TO WAR BECAUSE OUR MEDIA ONLY GIVES PRO WAR VIEWS !! EVERYONE IN THE WORLD SHOULD CONTACT U.S. MEDIA BELOW !! USE THIS BELOW CONTACT LIST AND SPREAD IT OUT TO EVERYONE, ACTIVIST, ORGANIZATION, BULLETIN BOARD YOU CAN. MOVE BEFORE THE WAR BEGINS !!! DEMOCRACY Action Alert: Al Gore's Historic Anti-War Speech is CENSORED On Monday, September 23 2002, Al Gore gave a major speech on Iraq at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco. Al Gore called the war on Iraq a distraction from the war on terrorism, warned against unilateral action and Bush's new Doctrine of Global Domination (a.k.a. preemptive strike policy), and addressed the timing questions of Bush's war in Iraq. How did the networks cover Gore's historic speech? FOX News - No Coverage CNN - Broadcast the first few minutes - then went back to Talk Back Live. MSNBC - Broadcast a portion of the speech - then Buchanan and Press talked over the rest of it. These are the same networks that routinely interrupt programming with "breaking news" of press conferences concerning kidnappings, child abuse, and baseball riots. And yet a major anti-war speech by the WINNER of the 2000 election does not warrant coverage in their opinion. But these same networks carry just about every pro-war speech by Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney. We must demand equal time from the media. We CANNOT let them conduct the hatchet job they did during campaign 2000. Fair Media reported a study showing that in 2001 SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT OF IDENTIFIABLE NEWS SOURCES WERE REPUBLICANS. Anyone watching US media today sees that nearly ALL news sources interviewed are PRO WAR. Censorship of Gore’s speech by US media continues this dangerous trend. We demand that Gore's speech be aired in prime time - and we demand full coverage for the anti-war movement, which represents the MAJORITY of Americans. 1. Call CNN at 404-827-1500 2. Call Fox News at (212) 301-3000 3. Call MSNBC at (201) 583-5000 4. Send this alert to every website you know 5. Send this alert to everyone in your mailing list 6. Contact your local paper's Editor 7. Go to FAIR's media contact list for more numbers: http://www.fair.org/media-contact-list.html 8. Contact the media watchers: reliablesources@cnn.com,newswatch@foxnews.com,nachman@msnbc.com Also, tens of thousands of media and world government contacts can be found at: http://www.world-action.co.uk/media.html [Tell them all that censorship of US media is leading the world to a debacle of mass proportions. A sole superpower with NO REAL MEDIA OVERSITE is a threat to the entire planet!] From davidpollard@attbi.com Wed Sep 25 17:19:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 9706 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 17:19:08 -0000 Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (204.127.202.63) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 17:19:08 -0000 Received: from the2ljpf36fqx5 ([12.238.97.172]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020925171840.CLNQ28420.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@the2ljpf36fqx5> for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:18:40 +0000 From: "David Pollard" To: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:18:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c264b7$9ac63930$ac61ee0c@the2ljpf36fqx5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: [Texgreen] Anti-War Message from Former Libertarian Pres. Candidate Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: (Being against an Iraqi War is not just a lefty cause. -David Pollard) HARRY BROWNE, LIBERTARIAN PARTY - In his quest to go to war, the president is supported by writers and commentators who never saw a war they didn't like. That may be because they never have to go to war themselves - they just send others to their deaths. To these people, the object isn't a democratic Iraq or U.S. security. The object is war. The goal isn't peace in the Middle East or removing dangerous weapons. The goal is war. The warmongers demonstrate that war is the purpose of it all by the way they promote it. If you try to deal with any of their claims, they change the subject. If you point out that Pakistan (a military dictatorship), India, Russia, China, France, Britain, Israel and the United States all have "weapons of mass destruction" (including chemical and biological weapons), the war-mongers say, "But Hussein gassed his own people." If you point out that Bill Clinton gassed the Branch Davidians at Waco, the warmongers say, "But Hussein invaded Kuwait." If you point out that the U.S. invaded Panama and Grenada - and has bombed numerous countries that didn't attack the U.S. - the war-mongers say, "But Hussein operates a brutal dictatorship." If you ask if this means we must invade several dozen other countries in the world who are suffering under brutal dictatorships, the war-mongers say, "But Hussein has violated a dozen U.N. resolutions" . . . If you point out that the U.S. also violates U.N. resolutions - and didn't even pay its dues for many years - the war-mongers say, "But Hussein has weapons of mass destruction," and we've come full circle and can start all over again. If any of these claims were a truly serious concern, the war-mongers wouldn't be jumping around from one contention to another. http://harrybrowne.org From dissentstdenis@yahoo.com Wed Sep 25 22:09:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 26472 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 22:09:22 -0000 Received: from web13609.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.174.9) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 22:09:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20020925220920.63838.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.250.136.5] by web13609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:09:20 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:09:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "John St. Denis" To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org In-Reply-To: <3D90FA4B.4060507@eden.infohwy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Texgreen] Idea for statewide ad/flyer Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I was thinking about the voting booth the other day and realized that when someone goes to vote, all they'll see of the Green Party is a (G) after a candidates name. So I thought that using that in ads & flyers might be a good idea. Something like: On November 4th, Vote (G)! Plus a few bullet points on not taking corporate money, health care for all, decent wages for all, etc. Real simple and graphically punchy. That way, people might remember us in the voting booth. What do y'all think? john st. denis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From tacham@realtime.net Thu Sep 26 00:32:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 32262 invoked by uid 0); 26 Sep 2002 00:32:30 -0000 Received: from dragon.realtime.net (205.238.132.78) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 00:32:30 -0000 Received: from realtime.net ([205.238.178.108]) by dragon.realtime.net ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:50:43 -0600 Message-ID: <3D924BD7.9D84C5F7@realtime.net> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:50:48 -0500 From: Til Chamkis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "texgreen@lists.gp-us.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Texgreen] Peace Activists being Arrested Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dear United for Peace, We got some exciting news from peace activists today: people are being arrested in acts of nonviolent civil disobedience to stop the U.S. government from going to war against Iraq. Below are some clips from www.indymedia.org. If you need help organizing a nonviolent direct action in your area, contact the Iraq Peace Pledge at pledgecoordinator@starpower.net. The Peace Pledge website (www.peacepledge.org) also answers frequently asked questions about nonviolent civil disobedience. In solidarity, Andrea Buffa Global Exchange/United for Peace ________________________________________ Seattle, WA Opponents to War in Federal Building lockdown. Wednesday, Sept. 25 A dozen activists are in the offices of Senator Cantwell\'s and Senator Murray\'s offices in the Jackson Federal Building at 915 2nd Avenue, Seattle The group Sound Non-Violent Opponents to War are occupying the Senator\'s offices until they make public statements in opposition to war in Iraq. This action is dynamic, and more information will follow as indymedia reporters arrive at the scene… ______________________________________________ St. Paul, MN Peace activists demand Minnesota representatives pledge to \'say no to war\'. 4 people arrested in St. Paul. Wednesday, Sept. 25 Dozens of protesters visited the home offices of Minnesota\'s congressional delegation Tuesday to demand that the lawmakers promise to vote against President Bush\'s request for a resolution authorizing war against Iraq. At U.S. Rep. Betty McCollum\'s office in St. Paul, four people, including a Roman Catholic nun, were arrested on trespassing charges after they refused to leave the office at 5:30 p.m. From abrowning@pdq.net Thu Sep 26 01:06:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Received: (qmail 1990 invoked by uid 0); 26 Sep 2002 01:06:34 -0000 Received: from mx5.airmail.net (209.196.77.102) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 01:06:34 -0000 Received: from mail2.iadfw.net ([206.66.12.234]) by mx5.airmail.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uN6u-000DsS-00; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:06:32 -0500 Received: from p3 from [216.118.36.35] by mail2.iadfw.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.61) with esmtp for sender: id ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:07:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Browning" To: "'John St. Denis'" , Subject: RE: [Texgreen] Idea for statewide ad/flyer Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:06:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c264f8$ec7c6ec0$232476d8@p3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020925220920.63838.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: GRN? -----Original Message----- From: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org [mailto:texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org] On Behalf Of John St. Denis Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 5:09 PM To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Subject: [Texgreen] Idea for statewide ad/flyer I was thinking about the voting booth the other day and realized that when someone goes to vote, all they'll see of the Green Party is a (G) after a candidates name. So I thought that using that in ads & flyers might be a good idea. Something like: On November 4th, Vote (G)! Plus a few bullet points on not taking corporate money, health care for all, decent wages for all, etc. Real simple and graphically punchy. That way, people might remember us in the voting booth. What do y'all think? john st. denis __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ texgreen mailing list texgreen@lists.gp-us.org http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/texgreen From rcbaker@eden.infohwy.com Thu Sep 26 02:47:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 7454 invoked by uid 0); 26 Sep 2002 02:47:48 -0000 Received: from bart.synacor.com (HELO mail1.chek.com) (208.197.227.75) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 02:47:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 23376 invoked by uid 0); 26 Sep 2002 02:47:19 -0000 Received: from 17-pool1.ras10.txdal-u.alerondial.net (HELO eden.infohwy.com) (206.148.212.17) by bart.synacor.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 02:47:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3D92753C.8040306@eden.infohwy.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:47:24 -0500 From: Roger Baker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org Subject: Re: [Texgreen] Idea for statewide ad/flyer References: <20020925220920.63838.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: You have a point. EVERY other campaign sign focuses on personality. I envision a yardsign with a giant green check in a green box and (G)reen beside that. Down below that you could have End the death penalty (check) End the drug war (check) End corporate dominance (check) Medical care as a citizen right (check) A living wage safety net (check) End discrimination by sex, race, or class (check) Peace and environmental protection (check) John St. Denis wrote: >I was thinking about the voting booth the other day >and realized that when someone goes to vote, all >they'll see of the Green Party is a (G) after a >candidates name. So I thought that using that in ads & >flyers might be a good idea. > >Something like: > >On November 4th, Vote (G)! > >Plus a few bullet points on not taking corporate >money, health care for all, decent wages for all, etc. > >Real simple and graphically punchy. That way, people >might remember us in the voting booth. > >What do y'all think? > >john st. denis > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >texgreen mailing list >texgreen@lists.gp-us.org >http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/texgreen > From jfbaldauf@prodigy.net Thu Sep 26 03:29:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 9090 invoked by uid 0); 26 Sep 2002 03:29:47 -0000 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (207.115.63.101) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 03:29:47 -0000 Received: from jfbaldauf (dialup-64.154.145.27.Dial1.Austin1.Level3.net [64.154.145.27]) by pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.3 da nor stuldap/8.12.3) with SMTP id g8Q3ThI5676464; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:29:43 -0400 Message-ID: <025e01c2650c$f2c98060$3207fea9@prodigy.net> From: "Jim Baldauf" To: "John St. Denis" , References: <20020925220920.63838.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Texgreen] Idea for statewide ad/flyer Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:29:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Good idea! Design it into the logo, or make of it a logo. JB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John St. Denis" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: [Texgreen] Idea for statewide ad/flyer > I was thinking about the voting booth the other day > and realized that when someone goes to vote, all > they'll see of the Green Party is a (G) after a > candidates name. So I thought that using that in ads & > flyers might be a good idea. > > Something like: > > On November 4th, Vote (G)! > > Plus a few bullet points on not taking corporate > money, health care for all, decent wages for all, etc. > > Real simple and graphically punchy. That way, people > might remember us in the voting booth. > > What do y'all think? > > john st. denis > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > texgreen mailing list > texgreen@lists.gp-us.org > http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/texgreen From sambraudt@yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 18:15:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usgp-mx-texgreen@gp-us.org Received: (qmail 10465 invoked by uid 0); 26 Sep 2002 18:15:12 -0000 Received: from web40707.mail.yahoo.com (66.218.78.164) by cesarchavez.cagreens.org with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 18:15:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20020926181445.73201.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.118.42.160] by web40707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:14:45 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:14:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Braudt To: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org, tx-sec@greens.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Texgreen] SEC September 17, 2002 Conference Call Minutes Sender: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org Errors-To: texgreen-admin@lists.gp-us.org X-BeenThere: texgreen@lists.gp-us.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Green Party of Texas email discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Green Party of Texas State Executive Committee Conference Call Minutes Tuesday, September 17, 2002 Attendees: Steve Agan, Sam Braudt, David Cobb, Jane Elioseff, Monica Griffin, Sean Hale, David Pollard 1) Treasurer’s Report: Jane Elioseff reported that cash assets for the Green Party of Texas as of 9/17/02 total 591.82, with only the request for reimbursement of just under 100 for purchase of sophisticated fax software (Media working group) still to come in. Donations are up slightly, and we will have the income to meet our basic expenses before the end of the month, including the 1,000 contract with David Cobb for October. She and Rodney Woody have begun work on figuring out how much needs to be returned to the affiliated county parties as their 25% of recurring electronic donations Jan 16-July 15. They expect to pay out that money on or around October 15. 2) Texgreen Listserv: There was consensus to switch our mailing lists from the envirolink server to greens.org , as had been previously discussed by email. 3) Common Sense: Sean Hale reported that El Paso has had trouble handling the costs of shipping bundles of Common Sense to them because of the extra distance involved. Several members expressed willingness to help El Paso, and at Monica’s suggestion the item was tabled until Belinda Subramanian or another El Paso representative can make input during an SEC call. REMINDER: THE DEADLINE FOR ORDERS FOR THE OCTOBER ISSUE IS SEPTEMBER 23. It will have a rich variety of candidate information and images, and will be printed by October 1. 4) Campaign 2002 Report: David Cobb reported that the Harris Co GP has prepared an informal press kit for the candidates to use on their tours. Monica Griffin and Jane Elioseff are going to